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  • 560Heliport560Heliport Twin Cities, MN, USAMember Posts: 873
    Disgusting.
  • SteveGSteveG TNMember Posts: 23
    I don't know about disgusting, but Amazon is fairly product neutral. Meaning Chinese drop shippers can make a killing there.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,348
    Fairly sure Amazon is not selling, but a third party company is selling through Amazon, a few complaints may stop that though.
    SumoLegoPitfall69gmonkey76Mr_CrossFizyx
  • oldtodd33oldtodd33 Denver 4800 miles to BillundMember Posts: 2,416
    Yeah, drop shipping from China. Pretty high price considering you can get them on Ebay for a little more than half the Amazon price. That and they will only replace missing parts for 30 days after you receive your set. 
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,779
    That sounds good. I complain that SumoLego is allowed to be a member.

    How many more complaints are needed? :-)


    But yeah, Amazon seem not to check what is being sold. Quite a few fakes of other products are allowed to be sold on there. It is like eBay, if no-one complains, they remain.
    SumoLego560HeliportSprinkleOttergmonkey76Jern92M_BossBaby_YodaFizyx
  • TkattTkatt MNMember Posts: 328
    Amazon recently announced Project Zero. Problem solved!
    SprinkleOtterCyberdragon
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    @CCC is just one of my many alter-agos, so don't fret.  Only my affinity for memes could ever get me banned.

    Also, I am descended from the Grimace.  Thus, I cannot be killed.  (Google it - it's completely true.)
    SprinkleOtterdatsunrobbie
  • Switchfoot55Switchfoot55 The Northwest, USAMember Posts: 1,563
    ^I knew your amount of likes was suspicious...
    SprinkleOtterSumoLegogmonkey76pharmjoddavetheoxygenmanBaby_Yodadmcc0mak0137
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,779
    Wasn't the Grimace a purple Jabba like creature from McDonalds?
    SprinkleOtterSumoLegogmonkey76
  • TheFewTheFew EnglandMember Posts: 1,474
    SumoLego said:
    @CCC is just one of my many alter-agos, so don't fret.  Only my affinity for memes could ever get me banned.

    Also, I am descended from the Grimace.  Thus, I cannot be killed.  (Google it - it's completely true.)
    Do you also write books under the name @CCC? Go on, check Amazon.co.uk!!
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,779
    I looked. On getting to page 2, I wish I hadn't.

  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    CCC said:
    Wasn't the Grimace a purple Jabba like creature from McDonalds?
    Yes, and equally feared across the galaxy...
    SprinkleOtterSwitchfoot55gmonkey76
  • bricknationbricknation Member Posts: 678
    It is seriously bad. 
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_pdt_bl_sr?ie=UTF8&field-keywords=LEPIN+BLOCKS

    I'm surprised TLG isn't doing anything about.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    I'd expect more than 52 entries.  Have these been listed, or are they new?
  • TheOriginalSimonBTheOriginalSimonB Felixstowe Member Posts: 1,306
    My eyes hurt now.
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,225
    Uh oh. A couple of sets on Australian Amazon now.
  • RogerKirkRogerKirk BrightonMember Posts: 346
    Has anyone received any responses from Amazon to their complaints? I've just submitted a couple of generic complaints about the seller account being used, rather than individual comments. I'll see if I get a response.
  • milambermilamber Norfolk UKMember Posts: 463
  • RogerKirkRogerKirk BrightonMember Posts: 346
    edited March 10
    Can't say I'm impressed with Amazon for the responses to my complaints. Very quick responses from the first two routes I attempted, both saying they understood the issue, but couldn't help and to try a formal report.

    So I tried the formal report method for issues with goods people are selling. Again a quick response, but this time asking for proof that I personally have the rights/trademarks/copyrights to the product so they can act.

    Sounds like they won't act unless Lego themselves provide sufficient evidence...
    SteveG
  • nexandernexander Glasgow Member Posts: 881
    Send the links to lego? The brickfanatics article does state it's the suppliers that need to tell them to stop, not the public
  • SteveGSteveG TNMember Posts: 23
    Amazon will not react to a customer complaint unless you are an actual buyer OR you are the legit trademark/copyright holder. I work with a lot of people that sell on Amazon and even getting knock offs of your own stuff taken down is a real challenge, and it should be. There are already brigades of people trying to take down legit product. So they move in strange ways. 
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,779
    I imagine the problem here is that they are not fake - they are genuine Lepin sets, which is what the vast majority are advertised as. Until LEGO takes them to court and wins a ruling that Lepin cannot copy their sets, then there is no reason to remove them for being fake LEGO. I don't believe that is a battle they have won yet.
    SteveG
  • alaskaguyalaskaguy Member Posts: 333
    edited March 11
    I see it as a good thing.  The more outlets there are for people to buy products they want, the more choices they have in terms of from whom to buy.
  • pxchrispxchris Oregon, USAMember Posts: 529
    alaskaguy said:
    I see it as a good thing.  The more outlets there are for people to buy products they want, the more choices they have in terms of from whom to buy.
    You must be joking...
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  • alaskaguyalaskaguy Member Posts: 333
    pxchris said:
    alaskaguy said:
    I see it as a good thing.  The more outlets there are for people to buy products they want, the more choices they have in terms of from whom to buy.
    You must be joking...
    No.  I definitely prefer to have more choice than less.
  • ShibShib UKMember Posts: 5,214
    CCC said:
    I imagine the problem here is that they are not fake - they are genuine Lepin sets, which is what the vast majority are advertised as. Until LEGO takes them to court and wins a ruling that Lepin cannot copy their sets, then there is no reason to remove them for being fake LEGO. I don't believe that is a battle they have won yet.
    You should see my genuine Tray-Band sunglasses and Lewi jeans...in no way do thyy imitate another brand. 
    SprinkleOttergmonkey76dmcc0
  • alaskaguyalaskaguy Member Posts: 333
    oldtodd33 said:
     @alaskaguy ; Any illegal copying of someone else's designs is not more choice, it's theft. 
    Right. Which doesn't have much to do with having more venues from which to make a purchase.
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,225
    ^ Say someone steals a car and sells it to you for a bit less than normal. You really think the owner of that car deserves to have it stolen so you can save a few hundred?
    gmonkey76
  • jnscoelhojnscoelho PortugalMember Posts: 348
    Don't you mean the design for the car? 
    You're mixing concepts... 
  • jnscoelhojnscoelho PortugalMember Posts: 348
    Fortunately, we all drive Mercedes, use iPhone, etc etc etc
  • alaskaguyalaskaguy Member Posts: 333
    Baby_Yoda said:
    ^ Say someone steals a car and sells it to you for a bit less than normal. You really think the owner of that car deserves to have it stolen so you can save a few hundred?
    It is unfortunate that you think that is a valid comparison. In your example, the original owner no longer has the car. Not quite the same thing.
  • aapaap GermanyMember Posts: 7
    ^perhaps a more valid comparision. If someone covers a song without permission by the Composer, is this Ok to have more venues to buy the song?
    gmonkey76
  • alaskaguyalaskaguy Member Posts: 333
    edited March 12
    aap said:
    ^perhaps a more valid comparision. If someone covers a song without permission by the Composer, is this Ok to have more venues to buy the song?
    It's still illegal.  But is it OK?  YMMV.  In any case, the composer can avoid the issue by not revealing the composition to anyone. By revealing the composition, he/she takes on the risk of someone performing it without compensation.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    My truck is never leaving my garage.  Exposure to theft is my responsiblity, apparently.
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  • Switchfoot55Switchfoot55 The Northwest, USAMember Posts: 1,563
    ^Property theft was also mentioned though. So, when your house is stolen with your vehicle in your garage, then yes, you only have yourself to blame. 
  • alaskaguyalaskaguy Member Posts: 333
    edited March 13
    SumoLego said:
    My truck is never leaving my garage.  Exposure to theft is my responsiblity, apparently.
    You're confusing responsibility with opportunity.
    If you make your creation known, are you responsible if someone uses it against your wishes?  No.  But did you forego an opportunity to prevent that from happening?  Yes.
    The bottom line is that you can WISH everyone acted according to your desires all you want to, and your results will reflect your effort.  Alternatively, you can ACT as if everyone will not conform if your desires and your results may reflect that effort as well.
    1. Would it be nice if Lepin behaved like you want them to?  Sure.
    2. But DOES Lepin behave like you want them to?  Not it doesn't.
    3. Should you be surprised when Lepin "rips you off"?  No you shouldn't.
    4. Do you have an opportunity to absolutely prevent it?  Yes you do.
    5. If you fail to take advantage of that opportunity, it is unreasonable to be surprised at the fairly predictable outcome that results.
    6. In doing so, you are essentially weighing whatever benefits you perceive are achieved at making your creation known against the possibility that someone may use your creation in a way you to not desire, and then deciding that the benefit outweighs that risk. Roll the dice, see what happens. Sometimes you may be right, lots of times perhaps not.



  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    ...So, when your house is stolen...
    Dammit, I have to move back to the cave.  It took so long to evolve my way out.
    SprinkleOtterBaby_Yodagmonkey76Switchfoot55
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    pharmjod said:
    @TigerMoth has been reincarnated.
    Obtuse arguments with circular reasoning?  I'll bite!
    SprinkleOtterMuftak1Baby_Yodagmonkey76
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,225
    alaskaguy said:
    Baby_Yoda said:
    ^ Say someone steals a car and sells it to you for a bit less than normal. You really think the owner of that car deserves to have it stolen so you can save a few hundred?
    It is unfortunate that you think that is a valid comparison. In your example, the original owner no longer has the car. Not quite the same thing.
    No, I mean just because the original owner had a car doesn't mean someone else can steal it for a profit. Whether the thing being stolen is a real object or a concept is irrelevant. If Lepin steals the instructions for your MOC and sells them, then yes, you are not at a financial loss, but they are still making a profit from your property. Think of it as them stealing and selling the time and effort you put into the model. You now no longer have exclusive ownership over that idea and would have difficulty in making money from it with Lepin's knock-off product now in the market.
  • blokey9blokey9 MelbourneMember Posts: 106
    do we have to have the same arguments from the other Lepin thread. there's no point in responding to Alaskaguy's posts, because he doesn't and will not share your point of view.
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  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 5,822
    blokey9 said:
    do we have to have the same arguments from the other Lepin thread. there's no point in responding to Alaskaguy's posts, because he doesn't and will not share your point of view.
    The best part will be when this thread dies down for awhile and someone playing catch-up starts responding passionately to months old posts. 
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  • PeteMPeteM Gallifrey (near Bristol)Member Posts: 400
    edited March 13
    alaskaguy said:
    SumoLego said:
    My truck is never leaving my garage.  Exposure to theft is my responsiblity, apparently.
    You're confusing responsibility with opportunity.
    If you make your creation known, are you responsible if someone uses it against your wishes?  No.  But did you forego an opportunity to prevent that from happening?  Yes.
    The bottom line is that you can WISH everyone acted according to your desires all you want to, and your results will reflect your effort.  Alternatively, you can ACT as if everyone will not conform if your desires and your results may reflect that effort as well.
    1. Would it be nice if Lepin behaved like you want them to?  Sure.
    2. But DOES Lepin behave like you want them to?  Not it doesn't.
    3. Should you be surprised when Lepin "rips you off"?  No you shouldn't.
    4. Do you have an opportunity to absolutely prevent it?  Yes you do.
    5. If you fail to take advantage of that opportunity, it is unreasonable to be surprised at the fairly predictable outcome that results.
    6. In doing so, you are essentially weighing whatever benefits you perceive are achieved at making your creation known against the possibility that someone may use your creation in a way you to not desire, and then deciding that the benefit outweighs that risk. Roll the dice, see what happens. Sometimes you may be right, lots of times perhaps not.



    So are you saying that really it’s Lego’s fault for releasing sets in the first place for Lepin to copy?
    SprinkleOtter
  • alaskaguyalaskaguy Member Posts: 333
    edited March 13
    Baby_Yoda said:

    No, I mean just because the original owner had a car doesn't mean someone else can steal it for a profit. Whether the thing being stolen is a real object or a concept is irrelevant. If Lepin steals the instructions for your MOC and sells them, then yes, you are not at a financial loss, but they are still making a profit from your property.
    I'm not disagreeing with any of that.   What I am disagreeing with is what to do about it. You can either:
    1). Do nothing, but whine about it, call Lepin evil, and wish they would stop doing it.
    2). Spend a lot of time and money on a fruitless endeavour to use the legal system to make them stop doing it and then hope that it works.
    3). Stop enabling them to do it.

    Most people here seem to be in favour of option 1.  I'm advocating option 3.



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