Vintage Lego Castle, getting into it

Phantom107Phantom107 The NetherlandsMember Posts: 68
edited January 28 in Building and Techniques
Hey everyone,

I love the vintage LEGO Castle sets from my childhood. Back then I didn’t have the money nor skills for it to it properly, I only had a few sets but still had a blast with it. I’ve now decided to get back into it.

Got a bunch of sets and a bunch of extra pieces to make the vegetation more interesting. I’ve always thought that LEGO should put emphasis on making the models a bit more lush. For starters, here are some great forest men sets I’ve gotten and added some vegetation to. Don’t you agree LEGO should put more greens/plants in?



Love it so far! These sets are so well designed. 

My next thing will be to build and expand the #6086 castle on the #6090 baseplate for fun
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  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,788
    edited January 28
    Not really. As a kid I thought sets like this were fine with the small amount of leaf pieces. There are plenty enough to look like a tree. It is hard to follow instructions if there are too many leaves to be added and instructions need to be clear. Plus they are easy to knock off and get in the way a bit when playing with it. Adding more leaves increases the cost and possibly decreases play value.

    As an adult, of course it is possible to make them look more bushy by adding more leaves. In that case, it is straightforward to buy more leaves and decide where to put them.
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  • Phantom107Phantom107 The NetherlandsMember Posts: 68
    Got some more sets, added a little more vegetarion... now going to think about making a cool setup to look at, doesn’t necessarily need to use everything;

    Really love this LEGO theme!


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  • Phantom107Phantom107 The NetherlandsMember Posts: 68
    edited February 3
    Building up the castle at the back, using the stairs in the baseplate to go to a little dock area


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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    I always thought they were light on vegetation.  In my mind, Forestmen should be heavy on forest, light on fortress, and not vice-versa.  

    I certainly get that there is less playability if you get a gigantic pile of green.  

    Looks like you need a Black Monarch's Castle!
    SprinkleOtterPhantom107catwrangler
  • SprinkleOtterSprinkleOtter Member Posts: 2,731
    Building up the castle at the back, using the stairs in the baseplate to go to a little dock area


    What set is this??
    Phantom107
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 5,823
    Man I loved that castle ship as a kid. Wish my sail was as nice as yours. It's brownish now.
    Phantom107
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    They're the #6057 Sea Serpent and #6086 Black Knight's Castle.
    Phantom107
  • Phantom107Phantom107 The NetherlandsMember Posts: 68
    edited February 4
    Baseplate is from https://brickset.com/sets/6090-1 (which I got twice), I want to turn the design of https://brickset.com/sets/6086-1 into a bigger castle, modified in a bunch of areas, including the little set with the tree and wizard inside it somehow, that would be cool. Only missing piece is I don't have that big yellow flag that comes with the original (I got mine 2nd hand)
  • AllBrickAllBrick UKMember Posts: 1,404
    edited February 4
    Love the old castle stuff.

    I made this thread a while ago with a view to sell a collection I have...

    https://forum.brickset.com/discussion/26038/uk-fs-classic-castle-sets

    It didn't sell and now I'm attached. 

    They all have a couple of shelves in a glass cabinet and I love them to bits.

    Regarding vegetation, you can have both,  that's the beauty of Lego.
    Phantom107
  • pxchrispxchris Oregon, USAMember Posts: 529
    edited February 4
    I would absolutely love to collect more classic castle, especially the Forestmen theme. But damn they go for some steep prices!

    I did however get #6038, #6075 & #6056 recently.
    Phantom107
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,374
    Man I loved that castle ship as a kid. Wish my sail was as nice as yours. It's brownish now.
    You want my set?? I'm looking to get rid of it. 
    SprinkleOtterPhantom107
  • Phantom107Phantom107 The NetherlandsMember Posts: 68
    Been detailing the dock a bit and reworking it a little, also figured out how to make the entrance fit in the larger baseplate;


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  • SparkyHamSparkyHam Bristol, UKMember Posts: 133
    I read somewhere once that the Forest Men sets used black pieces, because brown bricks weren't commonly made then. I could be wrong, but it would be interesting to see what the sets would look like if you swapped black for brown now.
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  • hoyatableshoyatables Northern Virginia, USAMember Posts: 863
    I came of age with the original Castle line — King’s Castle, Black falcon’s Fortress, and the Forestmen.  Those were golden years. A few years back I picked up the Forestmen sets I missed as a kid. They did not disappoint even after all these years. One of the things I loved about LOTR is that it really captured the joys of those sets. 
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  • sonsofscevasonsofsceva 1904 World's FairMember Posts: 539
    ^ I would love to see a Forestmen/Robin Hood kind of series again but with the advancement in foliage a la the Elves line.
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  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,374
    SparkyHam said:
    I read somewhere once that the Forest Men sets used black pieces, because brown bricks weren't commonly made then. I could be wrong, but it would be interesting to see what the sets would look like if you swapped black for brown now.
    That's interesting. I heard somewhere that the reason why Lego made the first castle yellow instead of grey because they didn't want kids using the grey pieces to make tanks and other military vehicles. I can't remember where I heard that; maybe a recent documentary?
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  • 560Heliport560Heliport Twin Cities, MN, USAMember Posts: 873
    ^ I've heard that too. A lack of grey sure didn't stop me from making tanks! Or anything. If I didn't have the "right" color, I built it with whatever I had.
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  • MrJacksonMrJackson Member Posts: 322
    @SparkyHam and @Pitfall69 I heard both of those assertions as well. Pretty sure I heard the one about gray and tanks/military vehicles during one of my training videos when I worked at an LBR store, actually. Back in the 80s and early 90s, brown was reserved for treasure chests, palm tree trunks, barrels, monkeys, carriage wheels, pirate boat hulls, etc. So not mainstream or structural elements.  I don't think it became a major structural (read: bricks) color until the Western sets from the mid-90s. Heck, even the old Islanders sets used red to represent wood rather than brown. 

    @Phantom107 enjoy those sets. I have a few of them myself (no castle unfortunately) and I wish I had the room to do a castle diorama. 
    Phantom107catwrangler
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 5,823
    The Dragon Knights in '93 used brown arches and 1*3 plates for tree branches. I think that was the first series to use brown instead of black.
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  • 560Heliport560Heliport Twin Cities, MN, USAMember Posts: 873
    ^It was! But the smaller sets still used black. There was a time when the only brown bricks or plates (as opposed to more specialized pieces) I had were the 1x2 bricks and 1x2 plates that came with brown horses- to fill the gap in their backs if they weren't saddled.
    Phantom107
  • Phantom107Phantom107 The NetherlandsMember Posts: 68
    How on earth did this turn into a history lesson :P
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    How on earth did this turn into a history lesson :P
    The alternative is an inside-joke meme battle featuring obscure references.  

    I'd rather have the history lesson.
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  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 5,823
    edited February 6
    SumoLego said:
    How on earth did this turn into a history lesson :P
    The alternative is an inside-joke meme battle featuring obscure references.  

    I'd rather have the history lesson.
    "It's treason then."
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  • Phantom107Phantom107 The NetherlandsMember Posts: 68
    I did notice this, in the little set with the wizard the panels are brown already but the tree branches are black:



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  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,226
    SumoLego said:
    How on earth did this turn into a history lesson :P
    The alternative is an inside-joke meme battle featuring obscure references.  

    I'd rather have the history lesson.
    Or something about Trump. That's my least favourite. I'm not brave enough for politics.
    Phantom107
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,374
    edited February 7
    Pitfall69 said:
    SparkyHam said:
    I read somewhere once that the Forest Men sets used black pieces, because brown bricks weren't commonly made then. I could be wrong, but it would be interesting to see what the sets would look like if you swapped black for brown now.
    That's interesting. I heard somewhere that the reason why Lego made the first castle yellow instead of grey because they didn't want kids using the grey pieces to make tanks and other military vehicles. I can't remember where I heard that; maybe a recent documentary?
    ...and this shows up on my Facebook from Lego:
    catwranglermadforLEGOBaby_YodaPhantom107
  • 560Heliport560Heliport Twin Cities, MN, USAMember Posts: 873
    In my opinion, the most realistic LEGO color for trees would be old dark grey, because it was somewhat brownish... probably the best match to most real trees!
    catwranglerBaby_YodaPhantom107
  • SprinkleOtterSprinkleOtter Member Posts: 2,731
    Pitfall69 said:
    Pitfall69 said:
    SparkyHam said:
    I read somewhere once that the Forest Men sets used black pieces, because brown bricks weren't commonly made then. I could be wrong, but it would be interesting to see what the sets would look like if you swapped black for brown now.
    That's interesting. I heard somewhere that the reason why Lego made the first castle yellow instead of grey because they didn't want kids using the grey pieces to make tanks and other military vehicles. I can't remember where I heard that; maybe a recent documentary?
    ...and this shows up on my Facebook from Lego:
    Keepin' the battery at 87%. Man, we so proud of you!
    Pitfall69SumoLegoPhantom107mafon
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,374
    ^...and there's the inside joke(s) @SumoLego was referring to ;)
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  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,788
    In my opinion, the most realistic LEGO color for trees would be old dark grey, because it was somewhat brownish... probably the best match to most real trees!
    White would be good for thse in for the long term. https://forum.brickset.com/discussion/28806/the-case-of-the-yellowing-white-bricks/p1

    560HeliportPitfall69Baby_YodaPhantom107
  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,786
    I am always here for Classic Castle stuff and I love what @Phantom107 has done with those sets - I always felt they could do with more foliage, too.

    Forever kicking myself for not focusing on Forestmen stuff when it was available; I had way too many interests as a kid to get completist about any theme...
    Phantom107Redbullgivesuwind
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    SumoLego said:
    I'd rather have the history lesson.
    "It's treason then."
    I think this counts as a meme, but with no picture.  Maybe a mime-meme?  Can we prohibit mime-memes??
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  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,374
    ^I don't know what to say?
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    Pitfall69 said:
    ^I don't know what to say?
    Just don't say you're trapped in a box, or running against the wind.
    Baby_YodaSprinkleOtterPhantom107
  • SprinkleOtterSprinkleOtter Member Posts: 2,731
    SumoLego said:
    Pitfall69 said:
    ^I don't know what to say?
    Just don't say you're trapped in a box, or running against the wind.
    No, but I am pulling in a rope...
    SumoLegoPhantom107
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,788
    SumoLego said:
    SumoLego said:
    I'd rather have the history lesson.
    "It's treason then."
    I think this counts as a meme, but with no picture.  Maybe a mime-meme?  Can we prohibit mime-memes??
    When the police come running will they be shouting meme-maw meme-maw.
    terfstenSprinkleOtterBaby_YodaPhantom107
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,374
    ^That's horrible, why would they be shouting my grandmother's name when the police come??
    SumoLegoterfstenSprinkleOtterBaby_Yoda
  • Phantom107Phantom107 The NetherlandsMember Posts: 68
    I got the #6038 wagon as a fun little extra for the castle, but I realized I could use the pieces I have already to (mostly) build up the #6075-1 Wolfpack Tower. Had to tear down the Royal Drawbridge model for this but it seems like a fun smaller castle to make and then try to improve on And I’ll simply take the little Wolfpack flag from the wagon to put on top. It will fit nicely with the Forestmen. Poor king Lionheart’s LEGO assets are being seized.



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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    Pitfall69 said:
    ^That's horrible, why would they be shouting my grandmother's name when the police come??
    Moonpie?
    SprinkleOtterdmcc0Phantom107
  • davee123davee123 USAMember Posts: 808
    Istokg said:

    But then TLG stopped making gray bricks until 1980 with the 722 Universal Basic Set, which had just a small quantity of gray bricks...

    There was a small smattering of gray bricks in 894/452 Mobile Ground Tracking Station, which came out in 1979-- but not a ton.  And there were gray slopes and macaronis in the non-crater plate version of 493 Space Command Center in 1978.

    It seems like they made an exception for gray in the palette in the classic space lineup, but it was mostly limited to plates, slopes, antennas, and other doodads, rather than bricks (with only a scant few here and there).

    I'm curious how well the yellow castle did sales-wise in the lineup-- I know that the classic space sets in 1978/1979 sold like hotcakes!  I wonder if feedback from kids indicated that they thought the yellow castle was too silly looking, hence moving to the gray, which had been established as successful for LEGOLAND space?  I know I certainly thought so as a kid, and was much more intrigued when they had gray castles.

    If I had to guess, I would speculate that GKC (or maybe even KKK) probably wanted to keep a vibrant classic color palette, but gradually conceded the more neutral gray.

    DaveE
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  • 560Heliport560Heliport Twin Cities, MN, USAMember Posts: 873
    I thought the yellow castle was awesome and would have bought it if I'd had the money. The yellow seemed like the best choice of available colors.
    Phantom107
  • 560Heliport560Heliport Twin Cities, MN, USAMember Posts: 873
    ...14 minifigures- what's not to love?
    Phantom107
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,374
    ...14 minifigures- what's not to love?
    The stickers!!!
    SprinkleOtterSumoLegoBaby_Yodagmonkey76Phantom107
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,226
    Pitfall69 said:
    ...14 minifigures- what's not to love?
    The stickers!!!
    We were on the verge of greatness. We were this close.
    SumoLegoBumblepantsgmonkey76Phantom107
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    This is greatness!
    gmonkey76Phantom107
  • Phantom107Phantom107 The NetherlandsMember Posts: 68
    Built up the Wolfpack Tower best I could with the pieces I have, think I’m gonna mod it and intergrate it somehow with the castle setup. Really like the design of it!






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