AFOL Designer Program

Glacierfalls265

Well, they just posted the next four finalists on the Bricklink Studio landing page for the contest! Crowdfunding doesn't begin until February 1, but it sure is exciting to see what all the contestants came up with! :) 

M1J0E

People have done some nice MOC’s!  It definitely sure is interesting to see what ideas people have.  Certainly better than anything I could come up with by far. But I hate to admit, I’m not seeing anything that’s a particular must buy for me.  

Glacierfalls265

@M1J0E that seems to be the consensus all around. It's probably going to be tough for the finalists to get to that $10k funding goal! 

Bumblepants

Many of these have extremely high piece counts too. Curious to see how this plays out.

M1J0E

I am curious too.  That doesn’t seem a terribly bad threshold to reach actually.  If each set sells on average for $100US (& it’d be more since many break the 1,000 piece barrier), they only need 100 people worldwide to purchase.  Surely there’ll be enough ‘collector’ demand to satisfy that?  It’ll be interesting to compare the results as well to Forma, which seems to be very similar marketing with a totally different set concept, and Ideas.  Initially I thought this initiative would be very much like Ideas, but it seems closer to bricklinking MOC’s than Ideas where a submission could be somewhat changed to turn it into a “Legoized” official set.

dutchlegofan50

I'm rather underwhelmed. There are so many excellent MOC's around - check Brothers Bricks for instance. While some of the designs submitted under this program are OK, none of them really stand out in my opinion.

I'm afraid this is just another example from BrickLink that shows that they don't have the right focus.
First we got MOC Shop. Turned out to be a complete fail. Then we got Mosaic. Another fail from the start. Now we have this. My prediction is that none of the designs submitted will meet the required amount in the fund raising step.

Instead, BrickLink should listen to it's customers (the sellers) and turn their focus to updating the outdated 20 year old website to modern standards. But -alas- they seem to have no interest in this.

I'm particularly concerned because BL -- based in China -- has a different opinion about the freedom of speech than in Europe.
People like me who are critical about BL are punished by a life time ban on the forum and there's no communication possible with the admins of BL.

You can take my words above for granted. No problem.

The real problem is that TLG agreed to cooperate with BL not knowing that BL doesn't accept the United Nations Human Rights Declaration (freedom of speech).

TL;DR: LEGO should stop their cooperation with BricLink ASAP.

Glacierfalls265

It's interesting, I kind of expected the results to be a little more complex. A lot of AFOLs, I think, want the wow factor they see with some of the really complex LEGO Ideas modulars or private MOCs on Flickr. So the results there, as some have mentioned, are nice but not something they really want to spend money on.

I was kind of surprised. I submitted 7 designs, some ridiculously detailed, and they chose the Clovershire Castle as a finalist. (One of the simpler ones I did). Maybe they chose smaller as they would be easier to make? Mine most likely won't make it through crowdfunding but one can hope! 

Part of the thing I think with this contest is the short amount of time the designers were given with the program software and everything, so I think some of the constraints might have filtered out any potentially really large projects? Then again, eight still have to be revealed so I can't accurately judge yet! 

M1J0E

All the best for reaching your crowdfunding goal!  I’m assuming they wanted a range of sizes (and therefore price points) of sets, given the numbers of sets >1,000 pieces.  But then I’m assuming it’s more difficult for your project to reach the crowdfunding goals then as each set would have a lower sell price, needing more sales.  

CaptainPirateMan

We were going to submit our design for "Freddy/Nancy's house" from A nightmare on elm street. Because of licensing we were just gonna call it "Nightmare House" and leave Freddy out of it. But the parts selection that they require you to use was just TOO limiting. We would have had to start completely over. Which if the program was more proactive WHILE you are doing it (as far as what parts you can and cant use) it would have been fine. But it was like 30% of the parts we would of had to substitute, that's pretty much means back to square one. Which we found that out after working on it for almost 2 weeks. That was frustrating.

It's a nice program for making directions for you MOCS, but the actual contest and rules... Pass.

CaptainPirateMan

BTW, this is the original MOC we were going to enter. The "Final" version was altered quite a bit, but mostly the same "feel". 

Again we were just gonna call it "Nightmare House" and NOT include a Freddy minifig.

CCC

The are going to sell parts from the US only, so it will be poor value after S+H and VAT and Royal Mail fees for UK (and other EU countries).

Plus you can see better MOCs on eurobricks and flickr.

Glacierfalls265

Oh interesting, I did not know that! (Not the better MOCs part, but the other part!) 

Huw

@dutchlegofan50, the parent company of Bricklink is based in south Korea, not China.

Glacierfalls265

Next four finalists are up...

dutchlegofan50

Huw said:

@dutchlegofan50, the parent company of Bricklink is based in south Korea, not China.

According to Bloomberg: “The company was incorporated in 2013 and is based in Wan Chai, Hong Kong. Bricklink Limited operates as a subsidiary of NXMH B.V.B.A.” 
NXMH is a Holding and registered in Brussels. 

stlux

@dutchlegofan50 The handover of HK to China might have happened over 21 years ago, but HK still has its own legal system, business register and financial regulator. Being incorporated in HK does not make your company a Chinese one.

sid3windr

Straying quite a bit off topic here, but HK is a Special Administrative Region of China, which is evidently still in China, and while they are somewhat split off, you can't really say their legal system is not under the influence of China... Cf. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/01/hong-kong-unveil-bill-making-mocking-china-anthem-crime-190123020456742.html Now I'm not really sure I would call BL something like "doesn't accept the United Nations Human Rights Declaration (freedom of speech)." - that sounds like a gross exaggeration to me. That being said, this designer program does nothing for me...

JRL

I watched the AFOL Programme results with interest, not least because I entered (unsuccessfully). I think there are some good designs and big congratulations to the designers chosen, I know I would have been very excited to have been. My favourites are likely to resonate with most, the castle and the Wild West saloon. Being U.K. based ordering is, as a contributor mentioned above, likely to be expensive. Best of luck to the designers, I think it was a fun initiative!

Huw

Regardless of the company's registered location, the ultimate owner is south Korean and lives there. I've met him. Nice guy...

Glacierfalls265

The last four were just announced. If I were to hazard a guess I think the car will make it through and maybe the science tower, fire engine and saloon. Or the bigger castle? idk we'll have to see! 

Bumblepants

If a set gets fully backed does it get a box and instructions made up for it or do you just get a bunch of parts from a seller and some digital instructions?

stlux

@Bumblepants According to the BL page, "Once the Pre-order phase is completed, BrickLink will be hard at work turning the successfully funded digital creations into real life sets with packaging and instructions. We’re working with one of the best packaging companies in Los Angeles to produce beautiful and unique boxes to hold all these goodies!"

So you should get something resembling a set box with instructions. No guarantees how nice the box will be though. Hopefully it will be at least up to the standards of a LCP set.

Baby_Yoda

So, if you purchase one of these sets and it doesn't reach funding, do you get your money back or do you have to just deal with it?

Glacierfalls265

@Baby_Yoda If you place a pre-order they don't actually charge you until it reaches the funding goal and begins production. If that set doesn't reach the funding goal, you have no obligation to pay. The only person who sort of "loses" if it doesn't reach the goal is the designer I suppose, since their set doesn't get produced! 

Glacierfalls265

Pre-ordering has begun! Already it seems some of the designs are well on their way to making their funding goal! Best of luck to all of them! 


*shameless plug for my design, if you like it we'd love your support :) 
https://www.bricklink.com/v3/crowdproject/view_design.page?id=57599

wardm

Will shipping to Europe also be free if you do the pre-order? It seems like it does if you go to the funding page... What do you guys think? 

wardm

It does say "Additional duties and taxes may apply". How much might this be to import some of the sets to Belgium? And will they be sent out together if you pre-order multiple and they succeed? 

stlux

@wardm If your parcel gets stopped by Customs, you will need to pay the VAT (21% in your case) and a clearance fee. There's potentially also an import duty, but on construction toys from the US, I think this is 0%.

Some explanations and examples for Belgium here: https://www.bpost.be/site/nl/residential/parcels/international/Bijkomende_kosten_internationale_pakketten.pdf

twoeyesgirl

This calculator might be handy.
https://tulli.fi/en/customs-duty-calculator

I'd love to buy a couple of the finalists as well but the custom fees are also stopping me to hit the buy now button...

eMJeeNL

Got myself the ‘Bikes’ and the shooting range. Fingers crossed for the customs duties etc to be okay. We’ll see.

DeMontes

That's a good link thanks @twoeyesgirl....almost

So if I buy Jonas Kramm's Saloon for134 Euros (automatically converted from $US 149.99) , it will be an extra 32.20 Euros for me in the UK...

I was confused about the 24% VAT and why it kept defaulting back to EUROS, then I realised that this was a Finnish Customs website so VAT is higher haha. At least this is a 'worse case scenario' website for me with 20% VAT here in the UK...

Glacierfalls265

I just came across this video today!
It's the Behind the Bricks for the AFOL Designer Program. 

It's really cool to see them working on our designs over there :) 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGEYuqyVWIo

CCC

^^ $150 is about £116, plus 20% VAT (£23.20), plus £8 handling fee for Royal Mail (or similar from a courier) will make £147.20. Call it £150.

That will be for a 1500 piece set, so 10p a part which doesn't look so bad as a starting point, although the palette used by BL is all fairly basic parts and colours, with nothing unique.

Glacierfalls265

Well, LEGO sent to me a physical prototype of my designed model to help promote in my hometown! The pictures don't do the physical model justice, I think I like it a lot better in real bricks. It's also kind of cool to hold something that up until now has just been digital renders! 

Right now on the Crowdfunding page it's only at 28%, so while I'm hoping it'll get there, I'm starting to think it's most likely going to be a failure. Still, 44 days is a while! Go, mediocre project, go! ;)

SeanTheCollector

@Glacierfalls265 Are there any interesting parts not obvious to the eye? I know these are not supposed to be parts packs but I have still wondered. I've already ordered 3 of the listed sets (castle, saloon and factory) but I'm still considering ordering some of the other sets.

pxchris

I got to see your set @Glacierfalls265 up close and personal this weekend at Bricks Cascade along with all of the others at the Bricklink booth. I must say, all of them are very impressive to behold in person!

Glacierfalls265

@pxchris that is awesome! I think it's cool how projects like the Löwenstein Castle is bigger in real life than they appear in the photos! 

shikadi

I'm surprised this discussion is so quiet! I have pre-ordered 8 Studs and the saloon, and am on the fence about the castle. Anyone else pre-ordered already? Seems like there are a few winners that may sell out.

Also, both 8 studs and lego story seem a good deal at about 7c per piece, the castle and the saloon less so

SeanTheCollector

I preordered the Castle, the Saloon and the Factory sets. I'm still on the fence regarding the Fire Truck and the Monorail.

Finaldeath

Some are really nice looking, just the cost (and my lack of real uniqueness to justify said cost) is not making me reach for my wallet. Would be a bit of Lego history having one but those conversion rates, customs, VAT and (although not on pre-orders) delivery costs, ouch.

However I am happy to see that many sets are actually 100% funded or whatever, would be nice to see it continue and use more parts plus better shipping. I am guessing they'll do another round with so many approved.

Given someone said the parts selection and submission time is so limited I'll actually be looking forward to the second round of this! Also not many unique parts means some of the more interesting designs may be possible to use myself, mmm!

Monorail sure looks like it'd be the easiest to fit in my city plans, but castle is so nice to see. Ahh well!

Glacierfalls265

Crowdfunding has one week left now, and it looks like all the designs are backed with the exception of three! But you never know, the numbers may go up :) 

stlux

Box designs revealed: https://www.bricklink.com/v3/crowdproject/packaging.page

eMJeeNL

Been trying that link since this morning - dead like a dodo (500-error). Anxious to find out what they look like, though!

bricknation

this page works: https://zusammengebaut.com/bricklink-afol-designer-programm-das-sind-die-boxen-68085/

DeMontes

pxchris

I finally got around to doing my pre-order of a couple of the sets. I saw them all in person at Bricks Cascade and they really are quite spectacular. Really looking forward to building my set (the second is for my son).

pxchris

Any chance these are going to get added to the database @Huw? I think of them somewhat similar to the Factory theme.

I'm guessing not though, since technically they would be considered a MOC.

pxchris

...Anddd I just saw you posted an article about this on the front page. Disregard!

haha

hayduke

I noticed recently that each set says it has a single exclusive part not available anywhere else... does that mean the part is manufactured by Lego? Any insights into what they might be?

DeMontes

hayduke said:

I noticed recently that each set says it has a single exclusive part not available anywhere else... does that mean the part is manufactured by Lego? Any insights into what they might be?

Not an insight but I think it will be a custom tile with some BL/AFOL Design logo on it.

SeanTheCollector

I would really like to know exactly what parts are in each set. I've preordered the castle, the saloon and the factory set but I'm still sitting on the fench regarding several others. A decent parts selection might encourage me to preorder a few more sets now. I suspect I won't be buying any more once I realise how much tax will be added to the listed prices especially with postage added to the mix after preorder period ends!