Has Creator Expert Trains run out of steam?

Brickchap

The last official Creator Expert train was Horizon Express. With the re release of Vestas wind turbine and Taj Mahal, would a re release of Emerald Night be a possibility? What new type of train would the Lego community like to see? Or is the sub theme of Creator Expert Trains dead?

If Emerald Night was re released, I would be happy having missed out the first time round and it clearly represents the Flying Scotsman, so a re release of it would probably be the only way to get an official Lego Flying Scotsman.

A Mallard would be nice, as would a 1930s/40s Russian or German steam engine. I would also like to see a Santa Fe Super Chief locomotive again (that model of loco, I don't know the name) or a creative set like a track laying or snowblowing train.

Fauch

a bunch of people said they would like the emerald night re-released on an article about re-releases. that wasn't the first set that came to my mind, but it seemed like one of the most interesting choices, given that trains we get now aren't as good. well, I may get the hogwarts express, it looks like one of the best they did, but it still doesn't compare to emerald night.

SumoLego

I'd also assume that one of the designers would update the build, if even just accommodate the new train motor.

(I'd argue that you could do the same with the Taj Mahal, but we all see how that went.)

BrickByBrick

^That's silly, the Taj Mahal doesn't need a motor so why redesign it to fit one?

SumoLego

Um, the real Taj Mahal has hydraulics, which run on motors. It jumps like Coolio's '65 Impala.

It's true. I read it on the Internet.

Mr_Hobbles

There's an interview floating around with Jamie Berard from when the Rollercoaster came out. In it, he was asked about the lack of new Creator Expert trains.

The answer was along the lines that trains by themselves don't sell well. The City trains sell well enough as they're simple and require relatively little design resources. Creator trains only really sell when there's a crossover with something else successful - ie. winter village. The Winter Village train has been quite successful as people want it running around the bottom of the tree.

Brickchap

@Mr_Hobbles

That's interesting. I remember Emerald Night, Maersk Train and Horizon Express all as huge successes. And there are whole groups and online communities dedicated just to Lego trains.

In saying that, trains by themselves do need a something else to make people want to buy them. It's practically impossible, but a proper Creator Expert steam train with a reasonably detailed modular train station would be an awesome set.

omnium

Mr_Hobbles said:

There's an interview floating around with Jamie Berard from when the Rollercoaster came out. In it, he was asked about the lack of new Creator Expert trains.

The answer was along the lines that trains by themselves don't sell well. The City trains sell well enough as they're simple and require relatively little design resources. Creator trains only really sell when there's a crossover with something else successful - ie. winter village. The Winter Village train has been quite successful as people want it running around the bottom of the tree.

Yes, he said pretty much the same thing at the Modular buildings event I went to.

Bumblepants

I think part of the reason they don't sell well is without track and power functions they don't appeal to kids or more importantly, to parents/grandparents looking to buy a train for their kid to play with.

I wish they would build a service pack of train wheels, couplers etc. so we could at least get the important bits for moc train building easily. Would be a great extension of the Xtra line.

Baby_Yoda

The new Passenger Train has been selling very well in my area; the Cargo Train, not so much. I think this indicates people mostly want a simple, straightforward train that's as cheap as possible. As such, I think they'll take another break from trains for a year, then maybe release something that ties into another theme to fill the void created by Hogwarts Express and Winter Train. However, rereleases are for a completely different market, so I think Emerald Night is exempt from this. 

CCC

I imagine they will look at sales figures for the Vesta to see if specialised re-releases are a good idea.

I don't think Emerald Night would sell that well - they miss out on sales to original buyers and any new set is not really going to be an investment, which is another reason people want it - its value. Whereas a different model would sell better as at least it captures the steam fans that already have EN. I'd love a Mallard style train, it is much more beautiful than the Flying Scotsman anyway.

darthdc

My only complaint with the engine sets, is the number of coaches. I've got the Emerald Night, and with just one coach, it doesn't look right. It's as bad as the Thomas the Tank Engine series, where Gordon's express was only 3 coaches - it should have been 6+.

stlux

The video interview (by Zuseammengebaut, but in English) with Jamie @Mr_Hobbles is referring to is available here. Relevant train section start around 27:50. Even with AFOL train fans buying 4 copies of each Expert train set, it's not enough according to Jamie.

Model trains (Lego and other) were popular when a lot of AFOL's were kids, but that's simply not the case anymore. The hobby has been in decline since sometime in the 90's/early 00's. Model train manufacturers have been in terminal decline since, and have either gone bankrupt (Lima etc) or are a mere shadow of their former selves (Märklin, Fleischmann, Hornby). E.g. Hornby, who earlier on acquired a bunch of rival European model train manufacturers, now only show annual revenues of GBP 35.7m. For a company that also owns non-model train brands such as Airfix and Corgi.

Toy stores around where I live either no longer stock model trains or have a very limited selection. The supermarkets (with large toy departments) will only stock 1 or 2 starter sets around Christmas. 

Disclaimer: I had Märklin trains when I was a kid, but I'm no longer in that hobby. My only current exposure is occasionally visiting train expos (where I see very few kids). I'm not familiar with the US model scene either, but looking at some of the US manufacturers finances, they don't look very healthy either.

datsunrobbie

I think part of the reason some people don't buy trains is they take a LOT of space even for a simple layout. Just a circle will take up a 30"x30" space. 

Bumblepants

Reminds me of the Brooklyn 9-9 episode in season four where two of the characters are competing to make the best train layout to appeal to kids in their waiting room. After much effort and expense the kid comes in and tells them 'trains are boring, no one likes trains anymore.' 

I wonder if programs like Thomas the Tank Engine etc. have helped brand trains as a 'little kids' interest and something to move on from.

SumoLego

Bumblepants said:

...they don't sell well is without track and power functions...

Which, fittingly, is what AFOLs complain about as detracting from the value of the set!

I think AFOLs forget that a tiny percentage of the market buying multiples simply doesn't compare to the thousands of civilian LEGO buyers that create the billions of dollars of revenue.

Shib

Bumblepants said:

I wonder if programs like Thomas the Tank Engine etc. have helped brand trains as a 'little kids' interest and something to move on from.

This could be part of it, but I also remember reading something about trends in what kids said they would like to do when they grow up and historically (for boys at least) train engineer was a popular answer, but had generally been replaced more often with footballer. Admittedly this was likely around 10 years ago so now the answer would probably more likely be youtuber or some such nonsense. 

This could be for a number of reasons but the way society holds these jobs in value is likely a strong reason for children's changing attitudes.

The things children want to emulate then often fuels their choices of toys etc. Relating to LEGO, police officers and fire fighters are (for the most part) still held in pretty high regard, while train operators in general (as in the companies) are generally regarded with a certain amount of contempt - e.g always late, over charging etc. The result is a child is more likely to enjoy playing with police/fire fighter themed toys than trains.

Obviously this only relates to toys that mimic the real world. 

Fauch

creator expert trains don't have tracks or motor but they have more pieces, are more detailled and less expensive, that makes them better imo, how often do you make your trains run anyway? unless you have jang's layout, I guess watching a train go round gets old very fast.

Lego_Lord_Mayorca

So far, the "Out of the Vault!" re-releases seen so far date back to about a decade ago. In 2019, it would be the 10 year anniversary of the Emerald Night's release, so I highly suspect they would use the Fall 2019 timeframe to announce the return of that beautiful set. I own two, one without a coach, and would love a chance to double up on the coaches at long last.

That said, it seems like society overall considers steam trains to be relics of the past. Youth rarely get exposed to them, even in Europe, where rail travel is far more common than here in the Americas. It's a shame; I grew up not just on Thomas the Tank Engines shows and books, but also on large tomes on steam locomotives in the local library. There is even a short steam locomotive line in East Texas that is still in operation (I think) that I enjoyed as a kid. For a time, model railroading (N scale) rivaled my LEGO collection. But maybe I am the last of a now-moribund breed. Nowadays, it seems like the only trains one sees with any regularity in the United States are grimy diesel locomotives, their cars covered in unsightly graffiti, trundling through industrial areas and often holding up traffic. Not exactly the most inspiring thing to a kid's imagination.

Aside from an Emerald Night re-release, my pipe dream would be to see official models of locomotives like the Mallard or the "Big Boys" of the USA. Heck, even some more unique-looking diesels would be appreciated. Anything. My LEGO railyard is just the Emerald Night, the Metroliner, and the red shunter diesel from #4563. I can MOC a nice companion or two, but some "official" additions would be nice.

Aanchir

What about the Winter Holiday Train? I mean, sure, it’s not as “serious” as the other trains, but it’s still got a 12+ building level and I suspect in the very least it and the Winter Village Station probably played some role in not getting any other Creator Expert train sets in 2016 or 2017.

Also, with the exception of the Maersk Train, the years we have gotten Creator Expert trains and train stations tend to correspond with years we DON’T get City trains or train stations: 2009, 2013, 2016, and 2017. So I suspect the lack of Creator Expert trains THIS year comes down to the City train lineup being due for a major refresh as tends to happen every four years or so.

Brickchap

All good comments. Hopefully Lego_Lord_Mayorca is right in predicting EN to be re released next year.

It would be great if Lego invested proper time and effort into a sort of 'Lego Hornby', kind of like back in the 80s and 90s with sets not only of complete trains but individual carriages, rolling stock, stations, signal boxes, engine sheds etc.

I wonder sometimes whether things like trains and historical themes (another one of my discussions) create a loop. For some reason or another, Lego reduces the amount of sets for those themes- kids don't see trains/historic themes on store shelves anymore and forget about them-Lego gets back info that says people aren't buying trains/historic themes and produces even less.

What I mean is, supposing even City trains were sold more regularly (say every 2 years and not 4) and made cheaper with multiple products to buy (and where like Thomas Tank Engine toys a child can just buy a small shunter or something and buy 3 separate carriages and they have a complete train without having to buy the 'big' set) perhaps that would create more interest.

Why do kids not like steam trains anymore? Because they don't see them around. If kids see police and fire 24/7/365 and extremely rarely see trains then of course they are not going to 'appear' as interested in them.

SumoLego

And trains are less interesting that spaceships, superheroes and Minecraft/Fortnite/Overwatch...

To quote a wise prospector: 'I've always hated those upstart space toys.'

Lego_Lord_Mayorca

Brickchap said:

It would be great if Lego invested proper time and effort into a sort of 'Lego Hornby', kind of like back in the 80s and 90s with sets not only of complete trains but individual carriages, rolling stock, stations, signal boxes, engine sheds etc.  

Truth is, in the early 2000s, they kind of did! The "My Own Train" era had LEGO selling two different types of steam locomotives that people could order in their favorite color. Individual rolling stock was also sold to match the train (caboose, passenger car, tank car, flatbed car, and hopper car), and there was even a train shed. All the standard 9V track accessories were also available. No signal boxes or water towers, but still, it was a concerted push. The problem was the variety wasn't that great. All the rolling stock was the same, and the novelty of the color options didn't hide the fact that the designs were atrocious. It wouldn't have been so bad if they had updated the trains each subsequent year, but that pesky fall-off in demand for toy trains affected the line, and after the Santa Fe Super Chief and associated coaches were released, the line quietly reverted back to City Trains.

Aanchir

Releasing trains as individual cars is something LEGO dabbled in with the My Own Train series in the early 2000s, and my understanding is that like a lot of sets back then it did not do very well. In general, it can be risky to create a bunch of sets that only have value as supplements to a separate core set (in this case, the train engine). That's also one of the things that more or less killed the LEGO Studios theme — not enough people buying the core Movie Maker set means that even the sales of the more affordable sets suffered proportionally.

While new City trains are not released all that often, there are very few times when they genuinely aren't available. Most City train sets aren't retired until two and a half to four years after their initial release — by comparison, a more typical City set might only remain available for one and a half to two years. If anything I suspect the main reason they come out so infrequently is how expensive they tend to be. Even after a new one comes out it might take one or two years before a kid's parents are willing and able to buy a set that big and expensive for them.

And honestly, other than today's tendency to sell train sets as all-in-one products rather than individual cars and structures, the number/frequency of City trains has not declined severely compared to the 90s. Like, in the past decade, LEGO City has had eight complete train sets, two train stations, and a level crossing. Whereas in the first decade of 9V trains (1991–2000) there were 7 complete train sets (plus 1 solo locomotive) and 3 train stations (well, two and a recolor). If anything's been lost it's just those solo train cars, structures, and track maintenance vehicles.

Brickchap said:

Why do kids not like steam trains anymore? Because they don't see them around. If kids see police and fire 24/7/365 and extremely rarely see trains then of course they are not going to 'appear' as interested in them.

I think it's perhaps a little naive to assume that kids only want police and fire stations because they know LEGO has them. After all, a lot of the kids LEGO conducts testing with are ones who aren't already fans of the LEGO brand and won't know the difference between types of sets that are brand new and ones that have been around for decades. What's more, trains are an extremely reliable seller for the Duplo age range, and Duplo trains, Thomas trains, etc. tend to come around pretty frequently in their own right. So it's not as though the people LEGO City is aimed at have NEVER liked trains or understood their appeal. They're just beginning to become drawn to different interests.

SumoLego

I think the complete collapse of the model train industry reflects changing interests in modern society.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/end-of-the-line-for-model-trains-aging-hobbyists-trundle-on-1455157546

I grew up working on (expensive!) model train layouts with my Father.  I can't say my kids are remotely interested in trains.  They'd rather build their own tracks and 'rollercoasters' on Minecraft.

Brickchap

Well, this is sad news. I'll probably find out boys aren't interested in toy soldiers anymore next!

(I know Lego doesn't do military sets, I refer to society in general)

SumoLego

Brickchap said:

I'll probably find out boys aren't interested in toy soldiers anymore next! 

That's an interesting proposition.  The PC crowd abhors war and any glorifying of war.  And they generally don't like guns or fake guns.  On the flip side, there is a pretty active gun culture in the US, atleast.

But, the PC folk also don't want to discipline their kids and tell them 'no'.   And most kids (regardless of one's political or parenting philosophy) like to play war. So... you end up with Johnny and Jill Snowflake still playing war and pretending to shoot up their friends.  Whether it is practical or virtual.

Nerf exists for this reason.  Halo exists for this same reason.  I'm not sure what to think about it, either way!  

Brickchap

When I think of toys (apart from Lego), I still think of a nursery with a teddy bear, wooden blocks, a toy train, a doll, a 1930s racing car (the ones that kids pedal) and some Napolenic era toy soldiers. Sadly now none of those things exist, or in a good way. Kids now have stupid plush 'cute' animals or plush superheros and dolls have become very sexualised. The rest are gone.

And kids used to have golliwogs, then PC killed them. I understand they were originally mimicking African-Americans, but for all the kids of the early 20th century they were just a cuddly doll and I think kids walking around with air rifles was far more dangerous then owning a golliwog.

But to get back to toy soldiers. In a more recent time boys used to have those cheap plastic ww2 era ones (like in Toy Story) but now they are predominately either actions figures or kids just get those plastic assault rifles that make noises and be the soldiers themselves. (or have computer games).

No one likes war. No one likes killing. But when practically every kid, from a very young age, has these ultra violent, realistic games like COD, Halo, BlackOps etc. I think that promotes a war glorification and killing society far more then when boys had a model Spitfire, cowboy cap gun and matchstick-shooting toy artillery.

And its not about pretending to be a hero freeing the world from Fascism and Communism anymore, just decapitating zombies and sharing videos of oneself doing so.

stlux

Aanchir said:

What about the Winter Holiday Train? I mean, sure, it’s not as “serious” as the other trains, but it’s still got a 12+ building level and I suspect in the very least it and the Winter Village Station probably played some role in not getting any other Creator Expert train sets in 2016 or 2017.

Also, with the exception of the Maersk Train, the years we have gotten Creator Expert trains and train stations tend to correspond with years we DON’T get City trains or train stations: 2009, 2013, 2016, and 2017. So I suspect the lack of Creator Expert trains THIS year comes down to the City train lineup being due for a major refresh as tends to happen every four years or so.

As per the interview I linked to, Jamie Berard does consider Winter Holiday Train the Creator Expert train. "Normal" Creator Expert trains don't sell according to Jamie (and yes, that includes Emerald Night) as there's simply not enough train fans out there anymore. Trains need some other hook to be successful, e.g. Christmas themed. So it sounds unlikely we will ever get another "normal" expert train again.

Brickchap said:

It would be great if Lego invested proper time and effort into a sort of 'Lego Hornby', kind of like back in the 80s and 90s with sets not only of complete trains but individual carriages, rolling stock, stations, signal boxes, engine sheds etc. 

Are you really using Hornby as an example for what Lego should do? The model train manufacturer I used in an earlier reply as an example of a company that is a mere shadow of its former self? The company that has been on a continuous cost-cutting exercise since the 90's, desperately trying to survive? That even with buying rivals gone bankrupt still manages to see revenues decline by 20% year after year?

Brickchap said:

I wonder sometimes whether things like trains and historical themes (another one of my discussions) create a loop. For some reason or another, Lego reduces the amount of sets for those themes- kids don't see trains/historic themes on store shelves anymore and forget about them-Lego gets back info that says people aren't buying trains/historic themes and produces even less. 

What I mean is, supposing even City trains were sold more regularly (say every 2 years and not 4) and made cheaper with multiple products to buy (and where like Thomas Tank Engine toys a child can just buy a small shunter or something and buy 3 separate carriages and they have a complete train without having to buy the 'big' set) perhaps that would create more interest. 

Why do kids not like steam trains anymore? Because they don't see them around. If kids see police and fire 24/7/365 and extremely rarely see trains then of course they are not going to 'appear' as interested in them. 

That sounds very much like "if only horse whip and carriage manufacturers would put out more of their product on the street, kids would play with horse carriages instead of those pesky cars!".
Instead of a "kids no longer see model trains on store shelves, so they don't know they would be interested" loop, what actually happened is that model trains were removed from store shelves in the 90's/00's because they didn't sell anymore.
The high-point of the hobby was the early 90's, with model train manufacturers investing heavily in more detailed trains and technology. And then market demand just evaporated. With only ageing fans remaining, it's doubtful those "good times" ever come back.

Disclaimer again: I'm only familiar with the European brands, but the same seems to have happened in the US as per the article @SumoLego linked to.

Shib

It seems to me that there is a niche that an enterprising AFOL could fill by making custom train instructions/kits. ;-)

This is always the thigh with LEGO, while it's always easier as an end user if there are nice sets that suit your taste available on the shelves, there are always other ways to get what you want. Have a go at building it yourself, if you struggle with that then look for AFOL who sell custom instructions/kits. 

Just about every AFOL event I've ever been to has had at least one large train display with MOC trains running alongside retail sets. If you want to learn how to make stuff like that yourself ask the builder about it, hey might be part of a LUG that could offer support. 

CCC

In a sense there is.  Holgar Matthes' book "The Lego Trains Book" covers designing your own trains and has some decent examples, then there are loads of examples on EB, often people will give away instructions for them, or sell them. Some people try to sell kits through ebayand BL, but they don't seem to do so well, I guess as they are expensive to buy with bricks and not official LEGO. Instructions seem to sell, even if slowly, on BL and eBay.

There was also the guy on youtube getting people to enter contests by submitting designs, then selling them, and also copying other people's designs and selling the instructions ... https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/161805-unauthorized-selling-of-instructions-for-mocs/

Paperballpark

Parents buy for their kids both what the kids want, and what the adults want them to like. So you therefore get a 'delayed reaction' in parts of the toy market, a prime example of which is the toy train market.

My generation (late 30s/early 40s) had parents who were born in the 1940s/1950s, and remember steam trains and the age when train travel was exciting. There was therefore still an affection for them in that generation, which manifested itself in the toys that their children (i.e. us) got given.

The current generation of children's parents (i.e. us again!) simply don't remember steam trains, or the age when travelling on trains was anything other than a chore to be endured. Therefore there are a lot fewer of our generation willing to buy toy trains for our children.

Add into this mix the huge range of toys that there are these days, along with the console gaming industry, and it's clear that there's just so much more choice now than there was 30-40 years ago when we were children (god I sound old!).

LEGO has adapted to this increased choice by offering much more detailed sets than was the case in the 80s, but a toy company like Hornby can't really adapt well, as their primary product is now associated with mundane travel, delays and discomfort.

Is it any wonder that kids these days simply aren't interested in train toys?

Aanchir

Brickchap said:

Well, this is sad news. I'll probably find out boys aren't interested in toy soldiers anymore next!

(I know Lego doesn't do military sets, I refer to society in general)

I think realistic/modern toy soldiers have been declining in popularity for a long time… after all, if they hadn’t been then G.I. Joe probably wouldn’t have taken such a sharp turn into sci-fi/fantasy territory in the 80s and 90s. With TV news reports of the grim realities of war pretty much a constant reality these days, even among families that glorify soldiers it’s not widely regarded as “child’s play”.

CCC

Paperballpark said:

Is it any wonder that kids these days simply aren't interested in train toys?

Too busy playing Railway Empire or Ticket to Ride (online).

daewoo

I've displayed my trains in combo with my LUG a couple of times now, and each time the trains were a hit.  Of course, we had large layouts with multiple trains running at once, but I don't buy for a second that kids aren't interested in toy trains anymore. 

SumoLego

I think they are less interested and have more entertainment and activity options.

(MLB has the same problem.  There are lots of choices - many of them more exciting that baseball.  Or model trains.)

Paperballpark

Having displayed both trains and GBCs at shows, I can tell you that what kids are really interested in is movement. Not necessarily the trains or GBCs themselves, just the fact that things are moving.

omnium

Maybe it's just my weirdo family and friends, but *all* the kids in my circle loved steam trains in their "Thomas years". Up till 6 or 7 years old, perhaps?
A couple of them are still really into trains (one boy, one girl) but they've only just turned 7, and the rest have lost interest.
None of them have or had decent train toys to transition them from Thomas fan to train fan. So its back to the cyclical argument.

Shib

Paperballpark said:

Having displayed both trains and GBCs at shows, I can tell you that what kids are really interested in is movement. Not necessarily the trains or GBCs themselves, just the fact that things are moving.

This is exactly it. At LEGO shows the vast majority of the displays are static. Plus all the no touching rules/signs means that anything even a little bit more interactive tends to be popular with kids.

If you look more objectively it tends to be any display with movement that will be busy, trains and GBCs have very obvious movement so are the easiest draw, but also a thing in the way of brick pits or competitions (e.g. Tombola, speed builds etc) tend to also be busy as it's something more interesting than static models. 

CCC

daewoo said:

I've displayed my trains in combo with my LUG a couple of times now, and each time the trains were a hit.  Of course, we had large layouts with multiple trains running at once, but I don't buy for a second that kids aren't interested in toy trains anymore. 

Size does matter too. A large AFOL collaborative display is way more fun than a small circle composed of 16 curved track pieces.

Aanchir

omnium said:

Maybe it's just my weirdo family and friends, but *all* the kids in my circle loved steam trains in their "Thomas years". Up till 6 or 7 years old, perhaps?
A couple of them are still really into trains (one boy, one girl) but they've only just turned 7, and the rest have lost interest.
None of them have or had decent train toys to transition them from Thomas fan to train fan. So its back to the cyclical argument.

I think in a lot of cases older (grade school age) kids tend to want to distance themselves from the things they liked when they were “little”. In the US (at least in my generation) kids at a certain point almost invariably became ABSURDLY vocal about their hatred of Barney the Dinosaur, rewriting his famous “I love you, you love me” song with violent lyrics. It could be similar with many Thomas fans drifting away in order to feel more “grown up”.

Not to mention, there are awful ableist stereotypes about people who are passionate/knowledgeable about trains being autistic or vice-versatile. I don’t know if that stigma is as present in City-age kids as in teens or adults though.

In my case I never really bought LEGO trains of my own past my Duplo years, but that was less out of seeing them as a little kid thing and more out of seeing them as an adult fan. My dad was always the most passionate train fan in my family, buying LEGO train sets and taking me to train shows. He has lots of books about railroad history and such as well.

560Heliport

Of course kids are more interested in things that move! The whole point of the "LEGO System of Play" is that you can build something -without glue, paint, tools- and then... take it apart and build something else, and you can do that over and over. I have LEGO bricks that are 45 years old. They're scratched and faded, but they still snap together. Think about a show from a child's perspective: here's a whole bunch of stuff built of LEGO... but "Don't touch"! I couldn't blame a kid who said, "Don't touch? You adults clearly don't understand LEGO; I'll show you what you're supposed to do with it." and proceeded to tear everything apart and build something else.    

sid3windr

^ Are you saying we're supposed to pull people's train MOCs apart and build airplanes? :|

560Heliport

Oh, I  wouldn't dismantle someone else's stuff! But I also don't want to become Lord Business. ...Wouldn't it be fun to just destroy someone's MOC (as a planned skit) in front of a bunch of other people? Maybe even use your teeth instead of a brick separator?

BrickByBrick

Might be a bit similar to the WV one, but I'd kill for a Disney World railroad station and train set as a Disney castle follow-up