General LEGO Movie 2 DIscussion

dannyrww

brianoblivion said:

I'm sure it's been covered in detail elsewhere but i wanted to give a quick thumbs up for #70830. A really ingenious build-love the use of the four white fender parts from Penguin's Arctic Roller-that's surprisingly weighty and bigger than i expected. The pink stars mounted on the side wings as well as the overall color scheme give it an excellent 70s disco era vibe. One minor complaint-the use of skeleton arms to hold the front hatch in place. Surely at this point there's something more secure in the Lego parts universe than these spindly, easily broken attachments. That's about it though. If this set was $10-15 cheaper it would a perfect 10/10...

It is $15 cheaper at Target... I picked mine up for $55.

klinton

#70825 is seriously underrated (if the paltry 34 Brickset members owning this set is any indication). I've been playing with it all afternoon, and I think this might be my favorite of the TLM2 sets that I've bought so far. It's just a bit of wacky fun. 

There are 15 official build with detailed instructions, an additional 20 or so suggested builds (which are easy enough to replicate) on an included poster and interior box art (the packaging is pretty posh for a standard retail set, tbh), and just a bunch of fun parts to accomodate your every whim, including 12 of the new 6264051 (in purple), which is legit the most useful new part Lego has introduced this year, and five of the new 6257048 diadem parts (one in each bag). 

My only real gripe with this set is that while she has several face options, only bag four's 'angry' face comes in seperate parts. Four of the five face options are single printed 4x4×1 bricks. The extra eye and mouth prints from #70824 kinda help to assuage this, offering a few more seperate printed eye and mouth bits to add to the mix. 

This one is my favorite of the official builds: 

dannyrww

How many different versions can you have built at the same time?

klinton

dannyrww said:

How many different versions can you have built at the same time?
 

It includes five seperate faces and crowns, so five models at one time. If you have #70824 as well, you can have up to seven models at once (one will be missing the diadem though). 

pharmjod

I learned my lessons from TLM, TLBM and TLNM. I only buy those sets at 50%+ off unless it's a store exclusive, then I may buy at 30% off. I'll pick up TLM2 sets some at the end of summer and the rest after Christmas. Patience is definitely a virtue when buying LEGO. 

That said, I have loved most of the sets from all those themes and this one is no different.

klinton

pharmjod said:

I learned my lessons from TLM, TLBM and TLNM. I only buy those sets at 50%+ off unless it's a store exclusive, then I may buy at 30% off. I'll pick up TLM2 sets some at the end of summer and the rest after Christmas. Patience is definitely a virtue when buying LEGO. 

That said, I have loved most of the sets from all those themes and this one is no different.

I kind of understand this logic (everyone likes to save money), but I just can't understand fans and/or collectors of something constantly waiting for clearance pricing on something they love.

Merchandise that consistently lingers on shelves until it needs to be heavily discounted sends all of the wrong messages to retailers and to the company producing the product. It causes a false price inflation on the front end msrp to offset potential price reductions, and it leads to decreased volume and diversity in product orders and thus available supply. 

If there were less people who 'wait for sales' and more consistent consumers, Lego would cost less and stores would stock a larger variety of Lego products. 

monkyby87

pharmjod said:

I learned my lessons from TLM, TLBM and TLNM. I only buy those sets at 50%+ off unless it's a store exclusive, then I may buy at 30% off. I'll pick up TLM2 sets some at the end of summer and the rest after Christmas. Patience is definitely a virtue when buying LEGO. 

That said, I have loved most of the sets from all those themes and this one is no different.

That's quite a while you'll have to wait, and you likely won't find all of the sets on clearance.  I only remember a handful of sets from each theme that were discounted that much.  Patience can be a virtue, but holding out doesn't always pay off in the end.  But I'm all for getting a good sale too.

madforLEGO

klinton said:

pharmjod said:

I learned my lessons from TLM, TLBM and TLNM. I only buy those sets at 50%+ off unless it's a store exclusive, then I may buy at 30% off. I'll pick up TLM2 sets some at the end of summer and the rest after Christmas. Patience is definitely a virtue when buying LEGO. 

That said, I have loved most of the sets from all those themes and this one is no different.

I kind of understand this logic (everyone likes to save money), but I just can't understand fans and/or collectors of something constantly waiting for clearance pricing on something they love.

Merchandise that consistently lingers on shelves until it needs to be heavily discounted sends all of the wrong messages to retailers and to the company producing the product. It causes a false price inflation on the front end msrp to offset potential price reductions, and it leads to decreased volume and diversity in product orders and thus available supply. 

If there were less people who 'wait for sales' and more consistent consumers, Lego would cost less and stores would stock a larger variety of Lego products. 

For those who understand the laws of supply and demand, it if far more likely that the less people buy at RRP that it forces a company to look at their pricing and react accordingly (and perhaps make better business decisions as to why their products do not move immediately off the shelves when released). If items do not sell at the RRP then it forces companies to lower, not raise, prices. I have yet to hear a company say " Well since we did not sell these well now, will have to make the thing that people did not want to pay for before even more expensive" It just does not make sense at all, unless you want to be out of business.

Also, not everyone is made of money and they understand that, passion or not, LEGO is a toy. It is not food, it is not a new washing machine, a new roof on your home, a new car, or even a TV, it is a toy. It is a luxury type good (meaning it is not a requirement of life to have and own). Conversely I never understand why people are so gung ho to buy something at RRP and high demand when it just gets released, so to each their own. But when I know that some store, somewhere, will eventually lower the prices to 20-30% off then I buy. I'm not made of money and LEGO should stop assuming that I am.

For example, I bought a bunch of the Benny Space Squad sets, because, at 9.99 RRP, IMO that is a great deal for a LEGO set (and not sure how many times that set will be discounted due to its, IMO, already low price point). However, the Apocalypseburg set, while I think is awesome, is out of my price range for a LEGO set. If it goes on sale, I may buy one, but again Im not blindly buying everything LEGO does because they are LEGO.

flord

^Not only is it expensive, but what am I supposed to do with it? Sure it's nice and all, but who has the shelf room for all these big D2C sets that have come out over the last number of years? I don't want to pay $400 to have it sit in a bag in storage either.

Lego fandom is a complicated and subjective thing. One of the things I've realized about my own fandom in the last year is that I am becoming a minifigs-only fan, and that I'm only going to Bricklink the figs I want. I just don't have the room for anything else. I've had my fill of mechs, trucks, and Quinjets, etc. Bins of them, in fact.

MegtheCat

At the Walmart I visited yesterday, the new TLM2 sets were all marked as "clearance" with big yellow shelf tags. So far it is just the 20% off that has been seen by others, but it seems weird to call it clearance and not just a rollback. Not that I will argue. I got the 3 $19.99 sets and the amount I saved covered the Unikitty set which was only $.15 off.

@flord I started as a minifigure collector & found that sometimes it was cheaper to buy sets on clearance than to buy them on BL or ebay individually. I understand the reasoning though, because a bunch of figures fit into a smaller space.

pharmjod

monkyby87 said:

pharmjod said:

I learned my lessons from TLM, TLBM and TLNM. I only buy those sets at 50%+ off unless it's a store exclusive, then I may buy at 30% off. I'll pick up TLM2 sets some at the end of summer and the rest after Christmas. Patience is definitely a virtue when buying LEGO. 

That said, I have loved most of the sets from all those themes and this one is no different.

That's quite a while you'll have to wait, and you likely won't find all of the sets on clearance.  I only remember a handful of sets from each theme that were discounted that much.  Patience can be a virtue, but holding out doesn't always pay off in the end.  But I'm all for getting a good sale too.

I have never NOT found sets from the LEGO movie themes for at least 40 to 50% off unless it's a store exclusive, specifically toys r us. I simply won't pay retail for those sets. I rarely pay retail for LEGO at all, even the big exclusive sets. I am patient. I have such a huge backlog of sets that I'll probably never get to build as it is that being patient isn't terribly difficult.

SumoLego

klinton said:
If there were less people who 'wait for sales' and more consistent consumers, Lego would cost less and stores would stock a larger variety of Lego products. 

Um, not to turn this into an Economics Theory discussion, but @pharmjod's strategy only works because the majority of market participants purchase the product at release or at RRP.  If LEGO (and retailers) could accurately predict the precise amount of product they would sell at RRP and limit their production to that many units, the cost would (theoretically) be higher.  And to be very glib about it, retailers would likely prefer to sell product at 20% off if it meant an overall bump in the volume of sales.

And please don't forget that sets on clearance or discount still have profit margins built-in.  LEGO makes their money the moment a retailer puts in their wholesale order.  The retail discounts we see as the end-customer have little effect on LEGO, but instead come out of the retailer's profit margin.

This is why LEGO now has 100 retail stores - they get the production (wholesale) profit and the retail profit.  They do a better job of maintaining their stock levels - thus why we do not regularly see sales at their retail stores.

I don't think you can draw a correlation between product price and the segment of the market that is frugal about their entry into the market.  There definitely isn't a direct line between the variety of product offered and discounts offered by the retailer.

klinton

SumoLego said:

And please don't forget that sets on clearance or discount still have profit margins built-in.  

You're trying to argue with me by restating my precise point in different words... as a counter argument? Hahaha. 

Anyhow, I'm not particularly interested in dissecting the ripple effects of sell through thresholds and the current post-Walmart retail model at length in an online forum about Lego. I was a bit remiss in my initial comment, as this really isn't the correct arena. I do apologize for derailing the thread. We can go back to waiting on sales and excitedly gushing over the new sets now. :D

pharmjod

I should also add that I don't have this same strategy for all LEGO sets. I buy poly bags at retail and if there is a set I really like, I will often buy at 20-30% off just to get a copy. I will buy at retail from SAH for a good promo. The main reason I wait on the LEGO movie properties is because LEGO makes a ton of them. They over produce them all. They will go on sale, heavily discounted in nearly every instance. Thus my $ goes further by waiting.

monkyby87

My local Target just stocked the movie sets this weekend, though they didn’t have all of them. They didn’t have the Rex sets, Metalbeard cycle, or Unikitty sweets set. Walmart on the other hand didn’t have the dream house, pop up bus, or systar ship. Nobody had the big Rexplorer. Walmart didn’t have any of Benny, while Target had a ton of Benny. 

madforLEGO

pharmjod said:

I should also add that I don't have this same strategy for all LEGO sets. I buy poly bags at retail and if there is a set I really like, I will often buy at 20-30% off just to get a copy. I will buy at retail from SAH for a good promo. The main reason I wait on the LEGO movie properties is because LEGO makes a ton of them. They over produce them all. They will go on sale, heavily discounted in nearly every instance. Thus my $ goes further by waiting.

The LEGO Movie 2 line does not have a lot of 'want' from me. I wanted the Space Squad Set (as did everyone else apparently) and got those. I want the Emmet master build poly , the Benny and Emmet workshop Juniors set (for the classic space ship), the Ultrakitty set, Unikitty sweetest friends ever (because of the ice cream cone figure), Battle ready batman (for Batman), and Apocalypseburg set (for the whole set). The rest are neat, but not interesting enough to me even at 20-30% off. And, to be honest, if I can spend less by finding and buying the parts I want out of each set I may not buy the sets at all.

truck730

We have retailers that whack up the price and give it a %sale back to original price and shout loudly about sale ,the idiots take the bait and more stock moves -no move by me so I can't get even the smallest sets at a reasonable price - consolation is it's a toy and more living space in my real world

monkyby87

madforLEGO said:

pharmjod said:

I should also add that I don't have this same strategy for all LEGO sets. I buy poly bags at retail and if there is a set I really like, I will often buy at 20-30% off just to get a copy. I will buy at retail from SAH for a good promo. The main reason I wait on the LEGO movie properties is because LEGO makes a ton of them. They over produce them all. They will go on sale, heavily discounted in nearly every instance. Thus my $ goes further by waiting.

The LEGO Movie 2 line does not have a lot of 'want' from me. I wanted the Space Squad Set (as did everyone else apparently) and got those. I want the Emmet master build poly , the Benny and Emmet workshop Juniors set (for the classic space ship), the Ultrakitty set, Unikitty sweetest friends ever (because of the ice cream cone figure), Battle ready batman (for Batman), and Apocalypseburg set (for the whole set). The rest are neat, but not interesting enough to me even at 20-30% off. And, to be honest, if I can spend less by finding and buying the parts I want out of each set I may not buy the sets at all.

I chuckled because you say it doesn’t have a lot want from you but you listed quite a handful. 

brianoblivion

I did get the B & N exclusive Harry Potter minifig set however. That has to mostly negate the extra $15 i paid. If i choose to sell it, that is. Which i probably never will..

klinton

Who is this guy, in the cockpit with Benny? 

The_Stud

klinton said:

Who is this guy, in the cockpit with Benny? 

That is Balthazar. He’s a “non-threatening” vampire minidoll who runs a spa in the Systar System. He seems to play an important role in the film, as he appeared on the new IMAX poster.

klinton

The_Stud said:

That is Balthazar. He’s a “non-threatening” vampire minidoll who runs a spa in the Systar System. He seems to play an important role in the film, as he appeared on the new IMAX poster.

Huh. I'll assume we're likely getting a spa set in wave 2 then? From post-apocalyptic grunge to crystal haired vampires and spas, hahaha. 

The_Stud

klinton said:

The_Stud said:

That is Balthazar. He’s a “non-threatening” vampire minidoll who runs a spa in the Systar System. He seems to play an important role in the film, as he appeared on the new IMAX poster.

Huh. I'll assume we're likely getting a spa set in wave 2 then? From post-apocalyptic grunge to crystal haired vampires and spas, hahaha. 

Yeah, I have a feeling we’ll be getting more stuff from the Systar System in Wave 2, including the spaceship from that screenshot you posted. If we’re lucky, Lego will be revealing some of the Wave 2 sets to coincide with the film’s release!

SumoLego

I'm more interested in the possibilty of trans-green hair?  Is this unprecedented? As I don't recall seeing it before.

klinton

The_Stud said:

Yeah, I have a feeling we’ll be getting more stuff from the Systar System in Wave 2, including the spaceship from that screenshot you posted. If we’re lucky, Lego will be revealing some of the Wave 2 sets to coincide with the film’s release!

That's fine by me, tbh. The Party Bus is freaking amazing. If it and Sweet Mahem's ship (which I haven't built yet, but it looks great) are any indication of what's to come, I'm game. I fully assumed Benny was going to get a new ship. His first one was super popular last time. I'll be completely floored if they don't release one. 

SumoLego said:

I'm more interested in the possibilty of trans-green hair?  Is this unprecedented? As I don't recall seeing it before.

Ghost Rider and Firestorm both have trans red 'hair' elements. They're permanently fused to their heads though. 

Odeinoichus

Didn't one of the Agents 2.0 villains have trans green hair???

The_Stud

klinton said:

The_Stud said:

Yeah, I have a feeling we’ll be getting more stuff from the Systar System in Wave 2, including the spaceship from that screenshot you posted. If we’re lucky, Lego will be revealing some of the Wave 2 sets to coincide with the film’s release!

That's fine by me, tbh. The Party Bus is freaking amazing. If it and Sweet Mahem's ship (which I haven't built yet, but it looks great) are any indication of what's to come, I'm game. I fully assumed Benny was going to get a new ship. His first one was super popular last time. I'll be completely floored if they don't release one. 

I’m glad to hear you like the Pop Up Party Bus! I was actually thinking about passing on it until recently. I watched a few reviews on it and now I like the set a lot better than when I first saw pictures of it. It’s just so unique, with it’s color-scheme and sleek build. Not to mention that it was already a great deal with 1,000+ pieces for 80 bucks, but now it’s already twenty percent off at Target, which makes the set an even better value! The trans-purple Slave 1 cockpit, the pieces in the new Vibrant Coral color, and that awesome Disco Kitty are just icing on the cake. I will definitely be picking this one up within the next few weeks!



BTW, we are apparently getting an... umbrella as a promo at some point!?

klinton

The_Stud said:

klinton said:

That's fine by me, tbh. The Party Bus is freaking amazing. If it and Sweet Mahem's ship (which I haven't built yet, but it looks great) are any indication of what's to come, I'm game. I fully assumed Benny was going to get a new ship. His first one was super popular last time. I'll be I’m glad to hear you like the Pop Up Party Bus! I was actually thinking about passing on it until recently. I watched a few reviews on it and now I like the set a lot better than when I first saw pictures of it. It’s just so unique, with it’s color-scheme and sleek build. Not to mention that it was already a great deal with 1,000+ pieces for 80 bucks, but now it’s already twenty percent off at Target, which makes the set an even better value! The trans-purple Slave 1 cockpit, the pieces in the new Vibrant Coral color, and that awesome Disco Kitty are just icing on the cake. I will definitely be picking this one up within the next few weeks!

Def grab it! It was fun to build, and it's fun to just pick up and play with. The disco light feature is simple but effective. The whole set just lights right up, with just one light brick refracted through a trans orange piece. 

I've already given Disco Kitty a bit of a makeover. I grabbed a handful of the Unikitty! CMFs last week in hopes of getting Queasy Kitty (who I got!), and there was one with this sparkly torso. I figured it fully fit Disco Kitty. :p

ReesesPieces

Did not see this up anywhere (happening @ Target)...

Astrobricks

They get to keep the vest, but not the “few bricks”?

ReesesPieces

Yup...probably some paper vest.

On another note, Benny's Space Squad is in stock at Target for shipping & pick up.
I believe Target had a street date for these sets as Jan. 6 which is why they are now freely available.

Bumblepants

Each child gets a safety orange vest and whoever can bring the most shopping carts back inside from the cart returns in the parking lot wins!

CCC

madforLEGO said:

Also, not everyone is made of money and they understand that, passion or not, LEGO is a toy. It is not food, it is not a new washing machine, a new roof on your home, a new car, or even a TV, it is a toy. It is a luxury type good (meaning it is not a requirement of life to have and own).

Wanna bet?

It is watevra you want it to be.

Astrobricks

Bumblepants said:

Each child gets a safety orange vest and whoever can bring the most shopping carts back inside from the cart returns in the parking lot wins!

None of those electric “cart engines” either, and bonus points for carts not in the returns :)

CCC

klinton said:

#70825 is seriously underrated (if the paltry 34 Brickset members owning this set is any indication).

It's a £35 set and the contents (455) look like a Classic box. It is in competition with existing Classic sets like #10404 (£25 RRP, 579 parts, but often sold at £18-20). And I imagine many people have bricks like these already in their collection and rarely use them:

I can understand why the numbers with it are currently low. It might seem better value / more desirable once the movie is out and the characters in it have some meaning, especially if important, but it wouldn't surprise me if this one is easy to pick up at a significant (30-50% off) discount later on.

ReesesPieces

Bumblepants said:

Each child gets a safety orange vest and whoever can bring the most shopping carts back inside from the cart returns in the parking lot wins!

A Lego store actually did something like this where they had a competition to see who could sort out the most build a minifigure contest.  The competitors each got a nexoknight figure.

Astrobricks

ReesesPieces said:

Bumblepants said:

Each child gets a safety orange vest and whoever can bring the most shopping carts back inside from the cart returns in the parking lot wins!

A Lego store actually did something like this where they had a competition to see who could sort out the most build a minifigure contest.  The competitors each got a nexoknight figure.

Does not compute. Sort out the most what, again?

Odeinoichus

January 18-February 28 in Canada. VIP members get a free album with collector card when spending 15$ Everybody spend 15$ get a trading card pack, spend 40$ get three trading card packs. That is crazy... let the trading card swaps commence.

ReesesPieces

Astrobricks said:

Does not compute. Sort out the most what, again?

Sorry...sort out the pieces of the BAM.  People will build the minifigs and leave it there so the  store had kids take them apart and sort them by the type of pieces.  

CathyVT

In set 70824, is anyone else bothered by the looseness of the wings on the Sweet Mayhem mini doll? They just kind of rattle around on her neck... Or am I doing something wrong?

Lyichir

CathyVT said:

In set 70824, is anyone else bothered by the looseness of the wings on the Sweet Mayhem mini doll? They just kind of rattle around on her neck... Or am I doing something wrong?

That's how it is, unfortunately. The shoulder armor is designed to fit on all styles of mini-doll torso, which vary more in thickness than minifigures, so it's slightly loose on Sweet Mayhem. That said, I suppose the compatibility is preferable to the lack thereof for parts like the amulet from Lego Elves, which doesn't fit well on the bustier "adult woman" torso.

klinton

CCC said:

It's a £35 set and the contents (455) look like a Classic box. It is in competition with existing Classic sets like #10404 (£25 RRP, 579 parts, but often sold at £18-20). And I imagine many people have bricks like these already in their collection and rarely use them:

I can understand why the numbers with it are currently low. It might seem better value / more desirable once the movie is out and the characters in it have some meaning, especially if important, but it wouldn't surprise me if this one is easy to pick up at a significant (30-50% off) discount later on.

Oh, for sure. I'd imagine demand will def pick up if she turns out to be a hilight of the film. I was smitten with the character on contact (she's an evil Lego Barbapoppa! What's not to love?), so the box was an instant buy for me. I can certainly understand why the set isn't everyone's first pick from the line though. That I haven't played with a pile of simple bricks in decades made the purchase all that much more appealing. :D

sid3windr

brianoblivion said:

I'm sure it's been covered in detail elsewhere but i wanted to give a quick thumbs up for #70830. A really ingenious build-love the use of the four white fender parts from Penguin's Arctic Roller-that's surprisingly weighty and bigger than i expected.

You realize those are actually hot air balloon parts from city/friends, right? ;-)

Lyichir

brianoblivion said:

I'm sure it's been covered in detail elsewhere but i wanted to give a quick thumbs up for #70830. A really ingenious build-love the use of the four white fender parts from Penguin's Arctic Roller-that's surprisingly weighty and bigger than i expected. The pink stars mounted on the side wings as well as the overall color scheme give it an excellent 70s disco era vibe. One minor complaint-the use of skeleton arms to hold the front hatch in place. Surely at this point there's something more secure in the Lego parts universe than these spindly, easily broken attachments. That's about it though. If this set was $10-15 cheaper it would a perfect 10/10...

Honestly I can't help but feel a little smug seeing so many people with this reaction. Back when it was revealed I remember a lot of grousing about the price (including an above average price-per-piece), but after making a mock-up of it on LDD I realized that the largely studless exterior made its true bulk deceptive.

SumoLego said:

I'm more interested in the possibilty of trans-green hair?  Is this unprecedented? As I don't recall seeing it before.

Based on the pictures in one of the companion books, I think it's Trans. Light Blue rather than Trans. Green. Which is still cool!

CathyVT

Lyichir said:

CathyVT said:

In set 70824, is anyone else bothered by the looseness of the wings on the Sweet Mayhem mini doll? They just kind of rattle around on her neck... Or am I doing something wrong?

That's how it is, unfortunately. The shoulder armor is designed to fit on all styles of mini-doll torso, which vary more in thickness than minifigures, so it's slightly loose on Sweet Mayhem. That said, I suppose the compatibility is preferable to the lack thereof for parts like the amulet from Lego Elves, which doesn't fit well on the bustier "adult woman" torso.

I took a tiny round scrap of paper, poked a hole in it with a pen, and fit it over the mini doll's neck under the armor/wings and now it is snugger, and I'm happier. It still moves a little, but I didn't like the feeling of it rattling every time I picked up the mini doll.

monkyby87

I know that Metalbeard's bike is a Target exclusive (I believe), but are there any other?  Ultrakitty isn't listed on Target's website I know.

560Heliport

FWIW I've seen Ultrakatty at Barnes & Noble, and didn't see Metalbeard there.

Astrobricks

monkyby87 said:

I know that Metalbeard's bike is a Target exclusive (I believe), but are there any other?  Ultrakitty isn't listed on Target's website I know.

When doing searches, remember it’s Ultrakatty, not Ultrakitty.

monkyby87

Astrobricks said:

monkyby87 said:

I know that Metalbeard's bike is a Target exclusive (I believe), but are there any other?  Ultrakitty isn't listed on Target's website I know.

When doing searches, remember it’s Ultrakatty, not Ultrakitty.

Yes sorry a habit. But Target has a specific section for LM2 stuff, as do other stores online. 

gmonkey76

monkyby87 said:

Astrobricks said:

monkyby87 said:

I know that Metalbeard's bike is a Target exclusive (I believe), but are there any other?  Ultrakitty isn't listed on Target's website I know.

When doing searches, remember it’s Ultrakatty, not Ultrakitty.

Yes sorry a habit. But Target has a specific section for LM2 stuff, as do other stores online. 

Whatever it's called I saw it at Wal-Mart.