10179 vs 75192

Drmnez

i wanted people's take on this. Which one is better to own? I own 10179 and was open to the idea of trading it for something else but I'm not sure if I really want to. 

Thoughts?

MaffyD

I have a similar dilemma - it very much depends on your POV regarding 'classic' SW sets. I like the older sets, but when I see the detail on more recent, more complex sets the old ones sometimes look a little... lacklustre.

Now, #10179 is definitely NOT lacklustre, but when compared side by side with the new one it does have some detail or structural issues that have been resolved more pleasingly in #75192

That being said, 10179 is the original and the most rare set. That can mean a lot to some people.

Work out which is more important to you and what value you place on that importance and you have your answer.

FWIW, for me, I'm happy with the old one, but only because it's the one I own and quite honestly I don't have the time or the money to contemplate changing it...

Rainstorm26

I have both in sealed boxes....I think I will build 75192 and keep 10179 sealed.  Eventually I'll probably sell it.

monkeyhanger

The new one is much better to look at - it's like a "HD" version of 10179, very similar structure but the detailing is very much improved (except sublight engine array), smaller plate/panel gaps etc. The new versions of most SW sets redone look much better. Most notable exception IMO is the nose of the newish sail barge.

I think most people will find it tough to get more than £1500/$2000 for a sealed #10179 while the 75192 is available at RRP, once stock shortages from the initial rush are sorted.

Drmnez

I used to want to collect all the ucs sets, but now I think the old ones I don't have I'll just get the newer set if one is available. I was just gonna open and builds 10179 at some point if 75192 never came out

CCC

I guess it depends what you want to achieve by owning either. If you want to display a UCS MF, I'd go with the new and sell the old as this gives you money to spend on other things too. If you want to retain an investment, keep the old sealed.

Istokg

Well I might as well put my 'panic mode' 2 cents in... since I've been around a long time and seen this all happen before....

Had I owned the 10179... the moment I would have heard about the new release of 75192 as actually coming out into production, I would have sold the 10179 as fast as I could.

I've been collecting since before most of you were born... (57 years)... and I've seen this happen before.  A very rare and in demand set being reintroduced by TLG... there are 2 examples that come to mind.... the rare 398 USS Constellation set of 1978... which was reintroduced in 2003 as LEGENDS set 10021.  The 398 was selling for over $1000 (in 1990s dollars)... and when they re-released it years later... not only did the 398 drop in price (gradually but surely) from over $400 of a used set down to about $150 today... but the 10021 can still be had in sealed condition for $225 today.

Another set that dropped like a lead balloon was the 6390 Main Street set of 1980, which was a USA only set, but also re-released in 2003 as a LEGENDS set 10041.  This was also a very much in demand set back in the late 1990s... when I first got onto RecToysLego and LUGNET (the first online LEGO sites)...  Today you can get a sealed 10041 for as little as $180, and the 6390 also dropped like a lead balloon in value (although today there are few for sale, so the price has inched up somewhat).  Also, the older version of both sets had some rare parts that were discontinued and substituted in the new sets (such as the gray rail caps and Cypress tree in the original Main Street set was replaced with gray tiles and a Pine tree in the new version).

I'm not saying that the 10179 is going to tank anytime soon... but when people opt for a (as some here have said) superior 75192, what do you think will happen to the original 10179 prices as folks opt out of buying the older set in lieu of getting the newer one at a fraction of the originals current price?

Wait 10 years and see what the prices of the 2 Millennium Fancons will be at.

Now I know that people here like to wax poetically about the 10179... but just a reality check.... they used to do the same thing about the 398 20 years ago.  Just wait a year or two or three... and keep watching the Bricklink prices of the 10179.  And get the Tums out...

Sorry to be so blunt... but I've seen this happen so many times before.  And I would love to be a fly on the wall when the guy who just paid $4000 for a 10179 this month on Bricklink... gets up to speed and finds out that he could have had a 75192 for a fraction of the price.  In 10 years the legendary status of the 10179 will be but a faded memory in the footnote of LEGO history.... like other sets that were re-released.

Been there... seen it happen before.

Istokg

P.S.  I'm not saying that either of the Millennium Falcon's are going to drop to the prices of the examples I gave... the MF has 5 and 10 times as many parts, so it will keep a lot of its' value.  But those sellers on BL selling the 10179 for $11K... they better sell fast!  ;-)

monkeyhanger

^ So true. Only the ultra completionists with the money and space to display both are going to pay much more than the RRP of 75192 for a 10179, which overall isn't as good as the 10179.

Istokg

I want to say that my comments above were a bit more coarse than I usually post.  Sorry.... but I'm having Game of Thrones withdrawal....  and 'winter is coming'...  :-O

MaffyD

My own decision is not based at all on whether I think it is an investment. Just on the history, the build experience and the look of the thing. Any thoughts about money are purely logistical in nature. Also, my wife bought me that set. There's an emotional attachment that I'm not sure I'll fully understand until I build it.

MrJackson

@Istokg makes a lot of great points, and ones that I have made almost verbatim when I talk to customers at work comparing the two.  Having gotten to ogle at the display case every time I'm at work, which is of course directly in front of the register I typically use, I have gotta say, the new one is absolutely magnificent.  One of the Lego books we have has a good shot of the original, and I'll open up to that page, walk to the front three-quarter view of the new one, and compare, and there's just no comparison. IMO, the new one is superior in absolutely every way, shape, and form. Eventually, they will begin to become more readily available - we seem to be getting Saturn Vs in on a slightly more regular basis, so at some point, the Falcon will be passing through.  Hopefully soon, but not too soon for me to save up for it. With my city almost done and having a Porsche, Technic 6x6 Tow Truck, Ferris Wheel, Carousel, Assembly Square, London Bus, and The Big One (Super Star Destroyer) still to build, I'm out of room. I'll do the coffee table route like many others, but luckily there isn't a ton in the pipeline that I've absolutely gotta have. I can't wait, and I'm fortunate enough to see it up close and personal every shift. 

BooTheMightyHamster

I guess it depends on what you think of the two.  I came out of my dark ages in 2012, and said to myself that one day I'd have a MISB 10179, not for an investment, but so I could enjoy opening it and building it.  A while back I had an opportunity to pick one up via another Brickset member, and I did.  Paid a bloody fortune for it quite frankly, and maybe the seller had been paying more attention to the rumour mill than I had.  He certainly sold just a few months before 75192 became talked about seriously.  Would I have paid what I did if I'd known there was a new one coming?  I honestly don't know.

But I do know I'm glad that I've got it, and because the advent of the new MF means more people are like to think 'What the heck!' and open that 10179 that's been sitting there sealed for years because they feel it's lost some of it's value.  As such the chances of me finding another one will probably decrease.

I'm fortunate in that I now have one of each, but if I could only have one?

Put it this way.  Despite being 6’ 1”, I've always fancied a small car for a bit of fun.  If I had the choice of an 'original' Fiat 500, or the current Fiat 500... well.  No contest.

The new one might be more powerful, more reliable, safer, have more features, be cheaper to run, have more space etc etc...

But I'd take the old - original - one every day of the week.

tl;dr

Don't worry what other people think.  You want to keep it - keep it.  You want to sell it and buy a new one - do that!

Rainstorm26

Or build both and have fun doing it. 

Drmnez

I think I'm leaning more towards selling my 10179. After being evaluated during the fires it made me think about somethings. 

Istokg

Drmnez said:

I think I'm leaning more towards selling my 10179. After being evaluated during the fires it made me think about somethings. 

Sadly... the longer you procrastinate on that decision... the less money you are going to get.  As word gets out to more and more people, and as the new set gets the stock refilled... that will all work against you.

Drmnez

Well better start looking at value then

PapaBear

With LEGO getting ready for Christmas, I don't think 75192 will be back in stock for a couple months.  Any stock that becomes available will immediately be bought up.  I was told there is a slim chance my local store will get a shipment in mid-November

Rainstorm26

Worst case for me will be, I will someday build my #10179 which I paid $350 for and will give my son the #75192.

Istokg

Well between Bricklink and Ebay well over 100 of the 10179 Millenium Falcons are now for sale.... the window of opportunity for selling it for a hefty return has already passed.

One can say what they want about 'rarity'.. with that many for sale at one time... rarity is no longer an issue.

Drmnez

True but being 'not a reseller' as long as I get my money back. I don't really care

Rainstorm26

^^ A bunch of those listed are Bricklinked.  Probably 10 are bricklinked and complete sets are about 84 which leaves about 74 complete actual 10179s.  But in any case, there are about 2-3x more than there were a year or 2 ago.  So your point about rarity is more correct now than a couple of years ago.