UCS falcon rumours (that turned out to be true!)

drdesignz

TyresOFlaherty said:

CM4S said:

Dumb question, but is there any chance this is perhaps in CAD? Inquisitive wallets want to know....

I think it was in Texas, if I remember correctly.  User deleted their comments and maybe entire account shortly after. 

waynlewis

Well, Saturn V is out of stock again, and good luck trying to get Ninjago CIty as the site is having issues, even my points are all gone, just a glitch I'm sure.

ISDAvenger

BooTheMightyHamster said: No Hope I'm guessing...


Rebellions were built on hope.

I am still on the fence, it is going to have to have a really good interior and have a shock and awe factor to be a day 1 buy for me. If not, and I decide to buy it, it will be under double VIP points and/or some other promotion.

Bluebird55

TyresOFlaherty said:

CM4S said:

Dumb question, but is there any chance this is perhaps in CAD? Inquisitive wallets want to know....

As a Canadian, I sure hope so!

MAGNINOMINISUMBRA

prevere said:

So those who plan to buy it, where exactly will you be displaying this?

My plan, for quite a few years, has been to get a custom made glass top and sided coffee table for displaying a yet to be bought 10179.  By my calculations, with the money I'm saving, I'm getting a better Falcon PLUS a VERY nice, VERY free coffee table.

Goldchains

Why do I have this sinking feeling that it isn't going to be a UCS MF, but a Cloud City playset?  I can foresee massive riots in the streets, and resellers tapping their fingers together going "Good....good..."

fourstud

Goldchains said:

Why do I have this sinking feeling that it isn't going to be a UCS MF, but a Cloud City playset?  I can foresee massive riots in the streets, and resellers tapping their fingers together going "Good....good..."

Why would BB-8 be at Cloud City?

Goldchains

CM4S said:

Goldchains said:

Why do I have this sinking feeling that it isn't going to be a UCS MF, but a Cloud City playset?  I can foresee massive riots in the streets, and resellers tapping their fingers together going "Good....good..."

Why would BB-8 be at Cloud City?

CM4S said:

Goldchains said:

Why do I have this sinking feeling that it isn't going to be a UCS MF, but a Cloud City playset?  I can foresee massive riots in the streets, and resellers tapping their fingers together going "Good....good..."

Why would BB-8 be at Cloud City?

That's true.  Good point.  Unless they are trying to get us off the scent...(puts tinfoil hat on)

Yee

TyresOFlaherty said:

CM4S said

Dumb question, but is there any chance this is perhaps in CAD? Inquisitive wallets want to know....

The uncropped version had the employee's ID and store number in it and it was a US store. 

Crzypengu

Someone did do a pretty good comparison between 10179 and the Movie version of the Millennium Falcon. If there are pieces smaller in this set then maybe it could be to make it a lot more accurate.

CCC

Goldchains said:

Why do I have this sinking feeling that it isn't going to be a UCS MF, but a Cloud City playset?  I can foresee massive riots in the streets, and resellers tapping their fingers together going "Good....good..."

Why would they have called the video UCS MF? There is keeping secrets and there is being deceptive. I think they fail at the first rather than excel at the second.

stevecook132

Loving the frame by frame analysis shots being put up, but the space slug mouth shutting at 6-7 seconds was enough to convince me we are getting a new Falcon.
Looking forward to seeing the differences over 10179, I have my fingers crossed they nail it :-)

Paperballpark

prevere said:

So those who plan to buy it, where exactly will you be displaying this?

I shall think about that once I have built it.

CCC

Goldchains said:

Why do I have this sinking feeling that it isn't going to be a UCS MF, but a Cloud City playset?  I can foresee massive riots in the streets, and resellers tapping their fingers together going "Good....good..."

I don't think resellers would want this not to be a UCS MF. I think about 15 new ones have been sold on BL in the past 6 months. Although high value, the volume sold is minimal. I doubt the price will take much of a hit for the old one. It will remain low volume, high price. I also doubt many resellers have 10179s for sale. Whereas a new one is a future opportunity for resellers.

chrisalddin

all this chat about $800 this and $800 that and $800 thingamajigs.
i don't recall if anyone said what the UK price was going to be.
you know that thing call the Pound!
i don't give 2 pull's of a Tigers tail what the USA cost is.
i am a Brit!
not a Yank. 
what matters to me is the little coin that just got a make-over called "The Pound".
and how many of the little coin's am i going to have to save to get this set?  
or is it so over priced that saving up for this is just to out there.

Mr_Cross

I'm still not sure if I'm getting it. I need to raise some funds, agree cash for birthday, Christmas etc. Then it will still depend on the build/look (this is probably moot because we all know it's going to be amazing!)

IF I do get it, I won't be able to build it straight away, we are reorganizing and there isn't space to spread it all out... once the house is back in a better state of repair, I might see if my kids who'll be six and four by then want to help build parts of it.

I don't think there will ever be anywhere to display it, so I imagine it will spend a few days/weeks built before going back in the box (and then stored somewhere) to be built another day... it definitely falls into the category of sets I will want to keep separate/complete. But that sounds preposterous to me now I think of it, I'm contemplating spending £500+? on an 8000? piece set that I'm going to 'ring fence' the parts in and even if I don't eventually keep it together, I'll keep the box (empty) which will occupy valuable space in my loft...
I can't help being reminded of a Tyler Durden quote: "the things you own, end up owning you!".

Then there's definitely the "what else could the family do with the money?" question that troubles me, our money is a little tight with two little ones around. Plus it's my Wife who's the worker and I'm Mr. Childcare, so there's a second level of guilt there.

I don't think there's a lot of point waiting for a price drop if I do want it, because there's the potential danger of missing out. It's exciting to anticipate this set but I'll be honest, I'm wrestling with this a bit.

AdeelZubair

On Facebook I saw £599.99 popping up several times yesterday.

CCC

I cannot see it being both £600 GBP in the UK and $800 USD in the USA. 

Our £600 is really £500+£100 VAT - so that's £500 / about $645 for LEGO. Whereas in the USA it is $800 plus tax. That is about 20% less for LEGO if they sell here compared to if they sell in the USA.

dmcc0

Adzbadboy said:

On Facebook I saw £599.99 popping up several times yesterday.

Given the usual $ to £ conversion I reckon £699.99 or even £799.99 would probably be more likely. Hoping I'm wrong though. 

cavegod

stevecook132 said:

Loving the frame by frame analysis shots being put up, but the space slug mouth shutting at 6-7 seconds was enough to convince me we are getting a new Falcon.
Looking forward to seeing the differences over 10179, I have my fingers crossed they nail it :-)

Link?

roxio

from Facebook and Photoshop?

khmellymel

Yes, in the US the $799 price tag wouldn't include the sales tax added at point of sale, so that would need to factor in (although it's a varying amount dependent on state - are there states without sales tax?).  In the UK £599 would be the price charged at point of sale, converting would be 'round equal to the US price without tax, and I don't see that happening.  I would think £699 sounds right.  

Then again, Lego's price discrepancies between countries do sometimes vary more than one would think so above is more speculation than anything.

Either way you cut it, the cost IS pretty much my monthly mortgage payment, so I think I'll have a hard time swinging this one past the bf.  Pretty sure I'm gonna have to pass, but it won't prevent me from being insanely jealous of those that will be getting one!

chrisalddin

CCC said:

I cannot see it being both £600 GBP in the UK and $800 USD in the USA. 

Our £600 is really £500+£100 VAT - so that's £500 / about $645 for LEGO. Whereas in the USA it is $800 plus tax. That is about 20% less for LEGO if they sell here compared to if they sell in the USA.

if i am honest the £600 is the most i would be willing to pay. if i can save up long enough to get that high. and then if it was lego shop only.

if it ends up in the main 3 (Toy's R Us, Smyths, John Lewis.) then i be looking for 33% off.

monkey_roo

i wouldn't be surprised if it is £800, just to match the $800.

stet

Bartelas said:

Lego is supposed to be built and played with, not displayed.

So what do you do with it when it's not being played with? Are you looking at it (equals displaying)? Are you feeling proud of owning it (while it sits on your shelf which equals displaying)?

We take them back apart and either put the pieces back in the box (for big/special sets like this) or integrate the pieces into the "general population" of pieces that my sons play with.  We then re-build them over and over again when we want to.  The fun is in the building of it.  That is the purpose of Lego (to me).

If I just wanted something to display I would pay a lot less for a more detailed model not made from building bricks.

Mr_Cross

roxio said:

from Facebook and Photoshop?

Photoshop. It's a pretty poor Photoshop job too... apologies to whoever did it, the composition isn't very good and the photo could be better chosen too.
The moc however, Is great, it builds on marshal banana's excellent rendition if I'm not mistaken!

redarmy

Anymore than 6 fiddy great british pounds would be a piss-take...

Venunder

Get ready for the Great British Piss Take. :)
TLG are going to hit us for £699.99 or maybe even £749.99.

Venunder

Even worse it might even be £849.99 here.

Let's compare some recent models and their prices.
Rathtar escape, £84.99 / $79.99
Quad Jumper, £54.99 / $49.99
Tracker 1, £64.99 / $69.99
The Arrowhead, £84.99 / $89.99

Although we can hope it goes this way
Death Star from 2016,  £409.99 / $499.99 

Pitfall69

^I wonder if my daughters will be reading about this in their future history books?

CCC

Venunder said:

Get ready for the Great British Piss Take. :)
TLG are going to hit us for £699.99 or maybe even £749.99.

Why would that be a piss take?

$800 is ~£620, plus VAT makes it £744. So if it is $800 in the US, £700 is a bargain and £750 is about right.

Pitfall69

In the U.S. it can get confusing when it comes to sales tax. There are some areas that add to the state sales tax. It would cost more for me to buy a UCS MF in New York City than it would be to buy the same set in Albany.

chrisalddin

why are you all added in the tax to the price?
the uk price include tax. (20%)
it's the usa who pay more. am i wrong in saying there is a tax the shop has to pay as well as the buyers tax the buyer has to pay?
anyhow.

death star.
$499.99, £409.99
please note. the lower price in the uk. 18% less then usa (with our TAX included in that price. making it about £330 with out Tax.
ware on earth you lot are getting this £800 uk price from. i have no idea.

doing some numbers using death star 90 divided by 5 is 18. (that is £18 less per $100)
so 18 x 8 would put it about 144 less. lego like there round numbers. so we looking at about £650 But..... i hope we get £25 less for each $100.
down to the point that £599.99 is more easy to look spending next to £649.99.
it come down to lego will sell more if it is not priced to high. that price point in the uk is around the £600 mark.
no mater the Size of the set.

CCC

chrisalddin said:

why are you all added in the tax to the price?

Because US prices don't include it, whereas UK prices do. So you need to compare like with like.

A US price of $800 means that the equivalent pre-tax price in the UK is £620. Add on OUR rate of tax (20%), that is now £744.

chrisalddin said:

it come down to lego will sell more if it is not priced to high.

But make less on each. Sometimes it is better to sell less and make more on each.

chrisalddin said:

that price point in the uk is around the £600 mark.
no mater the Size of the set.

You've made that up. There is no magic price point, it will vary from person to person. You could equally well say anyone willing to spend £600 on a set will probably spend £650 for a bigger one. And anyone willing to spend that, will spend £700 on a bigger one still.

chrisalddin said:

death star.
$499.99, £409.99
please note. the lower price in the uk. 18% less then usa (with our TAX included in that price. making it about £330 with out Tax.
ware on earth you lot are getting this £800 uk price from. i have no idea.

You have chosen one of the only sets where the UK gets a decent deal compared to the US. $500 is currently £390 (pre-tax), so by the time VAT is added on the Death Star should be £468. So we get it cheap at £410.

Whereas take Assault on Hoth ($249.99, £229.99). $250 is currently £195 (pre-tax), add on VAT you get £234, so very close to the £230 LEGO charge for it.

1.00 USD (without tax) is about 0.78 GBP, which is equivalent to 0.94 GBP once you add on VAT. That is why the USD number is often close to the GBP number.

chrisalddin

^
hahah you missed the point of my post.

that was... you can make the Number say what you wish them to say....

Bumblepants

[meme of Nicholas Cage in Knowing]

pharmjod

Maths is hard

chrisalddin

pharmjod said:

Maths is hard

Maths is easy!

English is HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (no.. need's more '!') !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SeanTheCollector

Forget the maths! Someone in Lego's sales department is going to randomly pick a UK price, either the same, above (most of this year's Minecraft sets are above dollar value), or below the US price! It won't make sense, it just is! :)

redarmy

pharmjod said:

Maths is hard

You were nearly right...you meant stupid..;-)

richl

After that video part of me is hoping that it's actually a giant UCS Space Slug with a midi size Millennium Falcon, just to see the reaction.

Gremer

khmellymel said:

(although it's a varying amount dependent on state - are there states without sales tax?)

Google says Delaware, Alaska, Montana, New Hampshire, and Oregon. I thought Tennessee didn't either, but that might be income tax.

Jenni

@Gremer Tennessee does not have a general income tax. 

Venunder

@CCC. You can have your opinion, and I will have mine.
But I don't like your idea of a bargain.

at 6500 pieces.
5p each = £325. That would be a real bargain.

at 10p each piece = £650. That would be expensive but still comparable to other SW sets.

at  13p each piece = £850. That would be very expensive. But as expensive as some other SW sets.
 

carnage717

Gremer said:

khmellymel said:

(although it's a varying amount dependent on state - are there states without sales tax?)

Google says Delaware, Alaska, Montana, New Hampshire, and Oregon. I thought Tennessee didn't either, but that might be income tax.

Tennessee doesn't have state income tax on wages earned. They do have Sales tax which I think is the highest state in in the country around 10% on most things you buy.

CCC

Venunder said:

@CCC. You can have your opinion, and I will have mine.
But I don't like your idea of a bargain.

at 6500 pieces.
5p each = £325. That would be a real bargain.

at 10p each piece = £650. That would be expensive but still comparable to other SW sets.

at  13p each piece = £850. That would be very expensive. But as expensive as some other SW sets.
 

£850 is relatively expensive if 6500 pieces, but is relatively cheap if it is 8500 pieces, better still if 9000 pieces. I don't really have an opinion on value of the set itself until I see it.

Even the prices are speculation. But if it is $800 in the USA, then £700 in the UK would be a bargain COMPARED TO USA PRICES. Which is what the calculation was. A comparison of possible UK and USA prices.

chrisalddin

i have no idea why.
but as i was reading this post just now. a song pop in to my head.
"The Chicken Song" by Spitting Image  if you don't know the song you can click here to watch it on youtube
i had a hard time finding the video i could only fine a video for top of the pop's when it was number 1 in the uk..... yes this got to number 1.. there have been some very odd stuff that got to uk number 1.
if anyone can point out how this song got linked in my head to this post please do tell me.

mcmeador

stevecook132 said:

Loving the frame by frame analysis shots being put up, but the space slug mouth shutting at 6-7 seconds was enough to convince me we are getting a new Falcon.
Looking forward to seeing the differences over 10179, I have my fingers crossed they nail it :-)

Just looked like two LEGO bricks coming together to me, but that might have been what they were alluding to. 

datsunrobbie

@CCC, concerning prices and the inclusion of taxes.

Until recently, many online retailers in the US did not collect state sales tax. The state sales tax rate varies from 0% to just short of 10%. For comparison purposes, it makes sense to list the US price with no taxes, leaving it to the individual to add sales tax based on the rate they will be charged. As an added bonus, individual cites and counties in the US may also charge sales tax. A Lego set that costs $100, including tax, in Delaware(where the state sales tax rate is 0%), will cost $109.47, including 7% state and 2.47% local taxes, in Tennessee. Listing all 3007* different prices including tax in the US for a single set would be a bit cumbersome.

I'm under the impression that VAT gets charged consistently throughout a country, so everyone in that country pays the same VAT and it gets listed as part of the retail price because of that. In the US, I can drive to Delaware and buy a set at the LEGO MSRP, which has no tax. Is there anywhere in the UK to buy new LEGO sets without paying VAT?

*the number of counties in the US at this time

ecmo47

As expensive as this set is, my bet is that it will hard to get a hold of for many months. 1 Oct will be a feeding frenzy and Lego.com will crash as usual. The website will not stabilize until the initial stock is sold out which will be within the first hour. Lego would be foolish not to have a 1 per customer limit. Much like the current Saturn IV set, it will have limited availability for the near future due to demand. The situation will be made worse with Christmas just around the corner. My guess is that it will be scarce until well into spring. All these factors will make it a re-sellers dream and I'd bet it is an easy flip for at least $1000.00 for while.