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  • tamamahmtamamahm Member Posts: 1,987
    CCC said:
     
    MrShinyAndNew said:
    CCC said:
    ^^^^ if you read the statement by the designer, yes it IS meant to be marketed to boys. There are two main problems with women in science. ... (2) that current scientists tend to employ people in their own image. If this doesn't appeal to boys now, it fails later on if science is still male dominated in a generations time.
    I think it's fair to point out that your problem 2 is actually quite an understatement. Not only is hiring in science fields male-dominated, but many fields lately have been found to have fairly toxic levels of harassment at high levels. Top scientist men who are really awful to their female colleagues and students. There's a pervasive sexism problem that goes beyond hiring. To ignore the sexism in the scientific community and in society at large when considering the context of this Lego set misses the entire point.
    In reality, there is also quite a bit of hostility and harassment (but not necessarily sexual) towards men too, if they are the "wrong" men. Be that based on anything from sexuality, through to more mundane things such as just the "wrong" college / university background. 

    I think it is a very different comparison, though, when dealing with a group that is not the dominant group or that is a minority group. 

    Nothing precludes anyone from experiencing hostility, harassment, sexism or discrimination, but sadly  yes, it is far far more pervasive of an occurrence with a woman in a STEM field than a man in a STEM field. Pointing out the extreme of one group's experience doesn't preclude that it can happen to others... it just shines a light on a large ongoing issue for one segment.

    The comparisons between the two are simply not equivalent. It can be as something as mild as being paged/called at night, being given an apology for the late call and that hopefully you were not being disturbed naked while taking a bath, to men using cameras to spy on you and making  sexually inappropriate comments. 

    The other thing to note is that corporate culture goes a long way in how pervasive an epidemic this is at a company. For one company I was at, it was overt. For another company, it was never overt, but more subtle in a glass ceiling sort of way.




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  • Legopassion8Legopassion8 Member Posts: 1,181
    Come on, people...

    It's not like they called the set, "Space B---hes"

    :P
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  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    ^...or "Star Whores"
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  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    edited March 2017
    Ok. I am watching "The Big Bang Theory" (Ideas Set) and I realized that 3 men and two women are scientists, but the one who is the least educated makes more money than any of them.
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  • TikiLukiTikiLuki Member Posts: 64
    tamamahm said:
    TikiLuki 

    Most women I know (who are typically between 30 - 75 years old) couldn't give a rat's ass about science on just about any level.

    Keep in mind that "science" covers a pretty broad spectrum here, not just rocket science, but chemistry, energy-related sciences, building-related sciences, automotive, computer / video game tech, etc.

    But there definitely seems to be a gender-based pre-disposition for

    Maybe hang out around other women??

     I do not find this true in my day to day conversations with women.

    Climate change, environmental sciences, behavioral science, medical science and advances... these are just a few of the science area that are often discussed in conversations I have with other women.
    80% of my friends are women, JFYI.

    Are they talking about the science of climate change, environmental sciences, behavioral science and medical science or are they talking about them in general terms? I'm talking about people with an interest in the science behind advances & discoveries, not just the advances & discoveries themselves.


    It is true, I do not generally find many women talking about the latest scientific break through in  car engines, but I have had plenty of conversations on the latest medical advances or theories in regards to ASD or sensory, current science news or policy changes related to environmental science, etc.

    Again, talking about things like policy change or "Hey, did you hear about that new drug that supposedly cures XYZ?" is not what I'm referring to. I'm talking about the conversation going to the next level "Yeah, apparently this research team found the molecular pathway that triggers the condition by isolating..." you get the idea.

    The ideas that women can't give a rat's ass about science or that there is a gender-based pre-disposition related to sciences are  sweeping generalizations.

    Of course they are...that doesn't mean they're inaccurate (except when it comes to medical sciences).


    I do strongly agree, though, that society as a whole fails to foster science. Just watching tv shows and movies... how many times is the scientist a 'nerd'.... How many plots are based around the general concept of an evil scientist or the scientist has let science get out of control and now something is in danger.... If not that extreme, then we see the other end where the scientist is the savior that magically touches a keyboard or runs a test  and solves everything. The overall concept of someone in the sciences or tech is often portrayed very inaccurately from reality. (Not always and not all sciences, but I do think it creates a general false perception out there on science)

    Totally. And you're right...almost always is it portrayed inaccurately. Some of that is out of necessity for time constraint reasons, just like on police dramas where the vast majority of murder investigations are solved, case closed, in 12 hours. ;) But, yeah, I just think back to Hugh Jackman dancing around in front of 42 million monitors while hacking some far off network with one hand and sipping an expensive white wine that he's holding with the other. Ugh.
  • KingAlanIKingAlanI Member Posts: 2,354
    edited March 2017
    It can be useful to focus on one group to counteract a lack of focus elsewhere, though that can be an awkward balancing act in practice.

    Pitfall69 said:
    Ok. I am watching "The Big Bang Theory" (Ideas Set) and I realized that 3 men and two women are scientists, but the one who is the least educated makes more money than any of them.
    I like that show, so I'll follow that tangent.
    You mean Penny? I thought she could use Leonard's help even after getting the drug sales rep job. Bernadette is a researcher at that company, and I would think she makes more. Businesspeople making more money than STEM folks may be a problem but not sexism.
    Howard has 'only' a Masters compared to the other nerds having PhDs, and it's clearly established that he makes less money than Bernadette. I'm not sure if that's forward thinking on gender roles or sexist 'girlie man' mockery, see also Raj's personal tastes. Raj having money problems is a recent plotline, but I'm not sure if that's lower income or horrible spending habits.
    Penny having less academic knowledge but more social skills is shown to be useful (Paige on Scorpion has a lot more of that); sometimes traditional stuff is demeaned in the name of breaking gender roles, like how skilled trades can be mocked in the name of promoting STEM or other fields that call for advanced education. Limiting choice in the matter seems like more of problem than the things by themselves.


  • tamamahmtamamahm Member Posts: 1,987
    edited March 2017
    Thank you for explaining what talking about science actually means.
    I clearly must not have known, you know, being a woman and all.

    And folks wonder why woman in science need to be represented as a thing that actually occurs.
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  • TikiLukiTikiLuki Member Posts: 64
    catwrangler said:
    I'd like to see some actual evidence (scientific, non-anecdotal evidence) that 35+ women like myself have "zero interest for the most part"...

    Google it and I'm sure you can find some. I only have anecdotal / personal experience, but I've read various things over the years to support the idea. One I read recently showed that young women were about 5x less likely to be interested in science / engineering careers than young men of the same age. Sorry, I don't have a link.

    Mind you, I'm not at all suggesting that women, in general, are any less capable of doing well in STEM related careers...I'm talking about interest in science-y stuff in the general population in men vs. women.
  • samiam391samiam391 Member Posts: 4,506
    I can honestly say that I'm not remotely interested in this set. If there are people out there though that really like the set/figures and appreciate the message that the set conveys, then I'm happy for them. That's great! I'm not going to get my knickers in a knot about publicity stunt this, sexist that- over a LEGO set- life's too short :)

    Thankfully, LEGO makes hundreds of other sets each year that I can choose from. And if I somehow don't like any of those, then I can just build my own sets.

    I'll also add that contrary to a lot of statements made so far on this thread, I'm in a science field that is dominated by women. 
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  • dannyrwwdannyrww Member Posts: 1,394
    I like this set in theory. I just hope that Lego improves the builds substantially. 
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,241
    samiam391 said:
    I'll also add that contrary to a lot of statements made so far on this thread, I'm in a science field that is dominated by women. 
    (Snarky guys says: I'm happy to get into a field where I can be dominated by women.)
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  • samiam391samiam391 Member Posts: 4,506
    SumoLego said:
    samiam391 said:
    I'll also add that contrary to a lot of statements made so far on this thread, I'm in a science field that is dominated by women. 
    (Snarky guys says: I'm happy to get into a field where I can be dominated by women.)
    That may or may not have been the reason I chose my profession ;)
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  • TikiLukiTikiLuki Member Posts: 64
    tamamahm said:
    Thank you for explaining what talking about science actually means.
    I clearly must not have known, you know, being a woman and all.

    And folks wonder why woman in science need to be represented as a thing that actually occurs.

    Oh, come on, I wasn't "explaining what talking about science actually means"...I was asking for clarification if that's what you were referring to, or if you were referring to people talking about the "product of science", which is a different thing and not what I was originally referring to in my post.

    But feel free to put words in my mouth and suggest that I said / implied things that I didn't. It's super helpful.
  • ShibShib Member Posts: 5,478
    Pitfall69 said:
    ^...or "Star Whores"
    Given the lepin copy of Super Hero Girls, I can imagine this being the name the lepin ripoff gets.
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  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    tamamahm said:
    CCC said:
     
    MrShinyAndNew said:
    CCC said:
    ^^^^ if you read the statement by the designer, yes it IS meant to be marketed to boys. There are two main problems with women in science. ... (2) that current scientists tend to employ people in their own image. If this doesn't appeal to boys now, it fails later on if science is still male dominated in a generations time.
    I think it's fair to point out that your problem 2 is actually quite an understatement. Not only is hiring in science fields male-dominated, but many fields lately have been found to have fairly toxic levels of harassment at high levels. Top scientist men who are really awful to their female colleagues and students. There's a pervasive sexism problem that goes beyond hiring. To ignore the sexism in the scientific community and in society at large when considering the context of this Lego set misses the entire point.
    In reality, there is also quite a bit of hostility and harassment (but not necessarily sexual) towards men too, if they are the "wrong" men. Be that based on anything from sexuality, through to more mundane things such as just the "wrong" college / university background. 

    I think it is a very different comparison, though, when dealing with a group that is not the dominant group or that is a minority group. 

    Nothing precludes anyone from experiencing hostility, harassment, sexism or discrimination, but sadly  yes, it is far far more pervasive of an occurrence with a woman in a STEM field than a man in a STEM field. Pointing out the extreme of one group's experience doesn't preclude that it can happen to others... it just shines a light on a large ongoing issue for one segment.

    The comparisons between the two are simply not equivalent. It can be as something as mild as being paged/called at night, being given an apology for the late call and that hopefully you were not being disturbed naked while taking a bath, to men using cameras to spy on you and making  sexually inappropriate comments. 

    The other thing to note is that corporate culture goes a long way in how pervasive an epidemic this is at a company. For one company I was at, it was overt. For another company, it was never overt, but more subtle in a glass ceiling sort of way.




    There is overlap. If a women went to the "wrong" college and is discriminated against, does she see it as gender discrimination?
  • richoricho Member Posts: 3,830
    We should make a gentleman's agreement not to discuss this set anymore...
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  • KingAlanIKingAlanI Member Posts: 2,354
    Shib said:
    Pitfall69 said:
    ^...or "Star Whores"
    Given the lepin copy of Super Hero Girls, I can imagine this being the name the lepin ripoff gets.
    Apparently Lepin used 'escort' (escort services being common cover stories for prostitutes).

  • RedbullgivesuwindRedbullgivesuwind Member Posts: 2,142
    I think this sets is nonsense we never went to the moon anyway because there is nothing beyond our sky. It was a massive hoax created by the government to move funds out to a series of accounts. All of which have links to the illuminati. These are being readied for the coming societal collapse through the use of vaccinations. I have never been vaccinated and I have never caught polio or autism. I am DISGUSTED that Lego are helping to continue the fabrication of these lies. I for one will be destroying all my Lego and I hope you join me. 
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  • MAGNINOMINISUMBRAMAGNINOMINISUMBRA Member Posts: 993
    ^ Maybe there's too much Flouride in your drinking water?
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  • DrmnezDrmnez Member Posts: 855
    edited March 2017
    Nothing beyond our sky, yet we have satellites orbiting earth?
    You never caught polio because others were vaccinated.
    You don't have autism because you weren't born with it.
    If you don't like Lego don't but them. No need to try and ruin it for everyone else cuz the koolaid you are drinking is tart
  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,730
    Little known fact, @Redbullgivesuwind is the third most popular moderator on Theearthisflatyoudummies.org and is on the cutting edge of airplane contrail theory as well as disproving the common falicly that prunes come from dried plums.
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  • RedbullgivesuwindRedbullgivesuwind Member Posts: 2,142
    @Bumblepants I am glad to see that you know my work. Of course the earth is flat else we would all fall off. 

    @Drmnez the satalietes are a well known lie else they would just bump into the plastic dome. 
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  • MaffyDMaffyD Member Posts: 3,579
    edited March 2017
    TBB has a similar comments section on their site:
    http://www.brothers-brick.com/2017/02/28/women-nasa-next-lego-ideas-model-news/
    But that is getting moderated quite a lot, it appears. This is certainly getting a lot of attention. Not necessarily a good thing for Lego...
    Coincidentally, it also features the first lesbian in space, so there's another minority milestone in there:
    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/03/04/lego-include-the-first-lesbian-in-space-in-women-of-nasa-set/

    Also, must remember the adage "what is present on the internet may well not be the same IRL."
  • 12651265 Member Posts: 1,165
    Duchessa said:
    catwrangler said:

    Who is Women in NASA being marketed to? I have to say, before I even read the news here I'd already been hit by it several times by geeky woman friends who love both science and history. They're the same people I saw getting particularly excited about Research Institute (especially the ones who are scientists themselves; anecdotally they seem to have bought a lot of them, or had them bought for them as gifts).

    Geeky women are a REALLY big market, and as valid as any other. A bunch of us are AFOLs already, and others, while they may not hang out in Lego fan circles or be members of LUGs (and frankly, the reaction in here to this set would probably not encourage them to), haven't forgotten their childhood love of Lego. They may not collect it on the large scale typical of Bricksetters, but they often own sets from the last few years, and those with kids enjoy building with them. In those circles, joy at this set has been unconfined. 

    Speaking of excitement - that's the big difference I'm seeing between the people I talk to elsewhere and on Brickset. Elsewhere, people are all, "Awwww yes, that's Christmas sorted!!" Here the atmosphere feels broadly resentful. 
    I don't post much on Lego forums these days, and this is one of the big reasons. Lego is a hobby, and I really don't feel like wasting time and energy trying to explain to the very male dominated crowd why and how their comments often are so misogonistic. Especially not in my second language. These days I prefer to enjoy my Lego hobby far away from forums and LUG's run by guys who try to be nice on the surface, but when you scratch it a little... 

    Is the NASA set the best I've seen? Not by far. But it's important in so many other ways, and I still have hope that Lego will develop if further before it's released. Until then, I'll just sit back and enjoy some other sets. 
    Got to love it when the majority has a differing opinion of the minority, we are called and labeled as a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bully, sadomasochisitc, narcissistic, megalomaniacal, etc.
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  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Member Posts: 10,837
    edited March 2017
    This thread is still going???
    IMO the admins should really have closed this thread sooner. @Huw, @drdavewatford .
    The main reason why I say this is that other such threads really go nowhere. Someone makes a comment they do not realize is insensitive (or they know it will rile half the folks in the forum OR they are looking for validation of their opinion). Then someone takes exception to it, then we have the two teams form of 'pro' and 'con' with very few as 'intermediates', then after many pages, nothing changes. The 'pros' or 'cons' do not all wake up one morning and decide to switch their opinions.. It is the same with political threads that get started on the forum, all it does is rile people up, and divide. Debate is one thing, but really for how long before people realize that many are set in their ways and no amount of paragraphs, facts, or opinions trying to dispute something is going to sway them?
    I mean we have gone to a NASA set, to Ghostbusters reboot, to Big Bang theory, and guess what? The major 'Pro' and 'Cons' will STILL feel the way they do only the argument will get more ridiculous.
    I get I'm not an admin, so if the admins decide that it stays and it is beneficial for a thread to be here I have no say, and Ill stay out of this thread once Ive commented, but really IMO it servers no purpose in a toy forum, and only serves to rile up one side vs the other.
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  • playwellplaywell Member Posts: 2,333
    edited March 2017
    mountebank said:
    You've just provided a very clear illustration of why Duchessa said that they "don't post much on Lego forums these days". Well done.

    OK so lets have a look back and what Duchessa said:

    Duchessa said:
    I don't post much on Lego forums these days, and this is one of the big reasons. Lego is a hobby, and I really don't feel like wasting time and energy trying to explain to the very male dominated crowd why and how their comments often are so misogonistic. Especially not in my second language. These days I prefer to enjoy my Lego hobby far away from forums and LUG's run by guys who try to be nice on the surface, but when you scratch it a little... 

    So @Duchessa is saying we are only nice on the surface and are often misogonistic but @Duchessa doesn't want to waste their time explaining that harsh assessment.

    Six people like this comment can I ask why?

    And @mountebank you somehow feel because they mentioned not wanting to post much you feel this means we shouldn't challenge their opinion?

    madforLEGO said:
    This thread is still going???
    IMO the admins should really have closed this thread sooner. @Huw, @drdavewatford .

    And on the same kind of note, lets not talk about things that are controversial? I personally had a instant reaction to this set and I was wondering if my reaction was shared by others or not which is why I posted this topic. I have thought again about why I reacted to the set and its good to think and talk about things like this.

    One of the great things about brickset is that we don't see topics closed just because some people don't like them, you don't have to read this topic if you don't want to.

    If you want to be mollycoddled and oppressed go to eurobricks!



  • mountebankmountebank Member Posts: 1,237
    SMC said:

    Six people like this comment can I ask why?

    Of course you can ask. However, I don't know what what was in the mind of the six people resulting in them liking the comment.

    People like all kinds of stuff on the Internet. I'm not sure where that takes us.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    Every thread topic in this forum has differing opinions; it doesn't mean a thread needs or should be closed. Arguing does little to change one's mind; it isn't going to change TLG's mind whether or not to put this set into production. What it might do; is allow TLG to design the set so it is more appealing to the masses. I am sure that TLG is aware of the "firestorm" they have created (if you want to call it that) by passing the Women of NASA set. Hopefully, they can put out a set that will satisfy people on either side of the fence.


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  • MaffyDMaffyD Member Posts: 3,579
    But the can is open - I'm fairly sure that ruins all the worms inside...

    But please ignore me if you disagree - I don't want to start another argument on the Internet. Wastes so much time... :-)
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  • tmgm528tmgm528 Member Posts: 457
    @SumoLego I guess that's what confuses me most. It isn't as though any themes directed at girls are replacing themes I'm more interested in etc. Where's the harm in more diversity and a larger appeal due to greater variety? But some people with never be swayed. 

    I am also tired.
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  • FauchFauch Member Posts: 2,712
    madforLEGO said:
    I get I'm not an admin, so if the admins decide that it stays and it is beneficial for a thread to be here I have no say, and Ill stay out of this thread once Ive commented, but really IMO it servers no purpose in a toy forum, and only serves to rile up one side vs the other.
    I think that's kind of the point. Lego is just a toy company, but some groups seem to think it should be used to push their own agendas. (unless it is only the way some of us interpret it?)  is whining about how men and women representation isn't 50/50 in lego the most efficient way to fight for women rights, or is it just a way to draw attention to yourself and how righteous you are?
    1265
  • SumoLegoSumoLego Member Posts: 15,241
    (Let's also not get started on the nonsensical ridiculousness of criticizing things like say... the perception that Lego decided to end a long standing cross-marketing relationship with a petroleum... er... plastic manufacturer due to political pressure.)
  • 12651265 Member Posts: 1,165
    mountebank said:
    1265 said:
    <snip>
    Got to love it when the majority has a differing opinion of the minority, we are called and labeled as a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bully, sadomasochisitc, narcissistic, megalomaniacal, etc.
    You've just provided a very clear illustration of why Duchessa said that they "don't post much on Lego forums these days". Well done.
    Go back to your safe space.  I'm sorry your feelings are hurt, but life is tough and we don't need to hear your fake cry for help.
  • 12651265 Member Posts: 1,165
    tmgm528 said:
    1265 said:
    mountebank said:
    1265 said:
    <snip>
    Got to love it when the majority has a differing opinion of the minority, we are called and labeled as a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bully, sadomasochisitc, narcissistic, megalomaniacal, etc.
    You've just provided a very clear illustration of why Duchessa said that they "don't post much on Lego forums these days". Well done.
    Go back to your safe space.  I'm sorry your feelings are hurt, but life is tough and we don't need to hear your fake cry for help.
    Or you could go to an online forum where you dont rudely add nothing to the conversation while putting someone down?
  • 12651265 Member Posts: 1,165
    OK...thanks!! :)
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Member Posts: 10,837

    SMC said:
    madforLEGO said:
    This thread is still going???
    IMO the admins should really have closed this thread sooner. @Huw, @drdavewatford .

    And on the same kind of note, lets not talk about things that are controversial? I personally had a instant reaction to this set and I was wondering if my reaction was shared by others or not which is why I posted this topic. I have thought again about why I reacted to the set and its good to think and talk about things like this.

    One of the great things about brickset is that we don't see topics closed just because some people don't like them, you don't have to read this topic if you don't want to.

    If you want to be mollycoddled and oppressed go to eurobricks!

    So, you started a thread for 'discussion', but I said something you did not like and you tell me I should go somewhere away from here to be 'oppressed' (last I checked that, in and of itself, is oppression), so your opinion is better than mine? Thank you for proving my point. Let me ask you this. If you really had an issue with LEGO's decision making, then why come here to complain about it? Why not contact LEGO? There are many ways: Email, Phone- heck you can even send them a good old fashioned letter if you wanted to. It would get your point across much quicker to the source rather than to create a thread you know would cause a heated discussion (to say the least).

    Fauch said:
    madforLEGO said:
    I get I'm not an admin, so if the admins decide that it stays and it is beneficial for a thread to be here I have no say, and Ill stay out of this thread once Ive commented, but really IMO it servers no purpose in a toy forum, and only serves to rile up one side vs the other.
    I think that's kind of the point. Lego is just a toy company, but some groups seem to think it should be used to push their own agendas. (unless it is only the way some of us interpret it?)  is whining about how men and women representation isn't 50/50 in lego the most efficient way to fight for women rights, or is it just a way to draw attention to yourself and how righteous you are?
    So.... what are you blathering on about exactly? Read my entire comment (which it appears you did not). Did I speak on any specific side of this? The correct answer is 'No I did not'. You're making an assumption. I have no agenda other than to say that threads like this do nothing and serve no purpose other than to devolve into something were some folks (on both sides) throw insults and accusations around, so I guess I should thank you as well for proving my point.
  • ShibShib Member Posts: 5,478
    Pitfall69 said:
    Speaking of male dominated occupations/field; my wife owns and operates a Barbershop. She has owned it for 16 years and she had seen a lot of things that have come through her door. Anything from "I don't think women should own a "man's" shop to being discriminated against because certain people don't think thst a woman can cut a man's hair properly. I also want to throw in that financial institutions were also treating her different because she is a woman and it was harder to get loans or flat out didn't get approved for one, even though she had outstanding credit (over 800) and plenty of collateral. 

    My wife isn't a scientist nor has she gone into space, but that doesn't diminish her accomplishments. She does a lot for the community (charity events and what not) and even goes to people's homes who are sick and can't make it out to the shop. My point is; you don't have to be a scientist to make an impact in the world :)
    This is an interesting lesson in context. I could be wrong but I feel like here in the UK the majority of barbers are women - there are plenty of men who work as both men's barbers and women's hair dressers but (at least from my context) it seems like the ratio is something like 1 male to 4 female.

    In fact thinking back I can only think of one instance of a man cutting my hair, every other time it's been cut by a woman. If anyone were to say anything along the lines of a woman not being able to cut a mans hair it to me I'd be absolutely baffled.

    Its also possible that this is just the areas of the UK I've lived in but it really shows how things that you might think of as universal really aren't alway the case.
  • samiam391samiam391 Member Posts: 4,506
    Easy folks, keep the discussion light. Take a LEGO build break if you need too.

    There's a way to discuss this without starting to take petty digs at each other. The latter of which will amount to absolutely nothing constructive (pun intended). 
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  • mountebankmountebank Member Posts: 1,237
    1265 said:
    mountebank said:
    1265 said:
    <snip>
    Got to love it when the majority has a differing opinion of the minority, we are called and labeled as a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bully, sadomasochisitc, narcissistic, megalomaniacal, etc.
    You've just provided a very clear illustration of why Duchessa said that they "don't post much on Lego forums these days". Well done.
    Go back to your safe space.  I'm sorry your feelings are hurt, but life is tough and we don't need to hear your fake cry for help.
    There is absolutely no need to continue to prove my point. I was content enough the first time.
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  • CCCCCC Member Posts: 20,556
    Shib said:
    Pitfall69 said:
    Speaking of male dominated occupations/field; my wife owns and operates a Barbershop. She has owned it for 16 years and she had seen a lot of things that have come through her door. Anything from "I don't think women should own a "man's" shop to being discriminated against because certain people don't think thst a woman can cut a man's hair properly. I also want to throw in that financial institutions were also treating her different because she is a woman and it was harder to get loans or flat out didn't get approved for one, even though she had outstanding credit (over 800) and plenty of collateral. 

    My wife isn't a scientist nor has she gone into space, but that doesn't diminish her accomplishments. She does a lot for the community (charity events and what not) and even goes to people's homes who are sick and can't make it out to the shop. My point is; you don't have to be a scientist to make an impact in the world :)
    This is an interesting lesson in context. I could be wrong but I feel like here in the UK the majority of barbers are women - there are plenty of men who work as both men's barbers and women's hair dressers but (at least from my context) it seems like the ratio is something like 1 male to 4 female.

    In fact thinking back I can only think of one instance of a man cutting my hair, every other time it's been cut by a woman. If anyone were to say anything along the lines of a woman not being able to cut a mans hair it to me I'd be absolutely baffled.

    Its also possible that this is just the areas of the UK I've lived in but it really shows how things that you might think of as universal really aren't alway the case.
    Really? I find probably 95% of the barbers in my area are male. And probably an even higher percentage of hair dressers are women.


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