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Graphing Studless Technic

davee123davee123 USAMember Posts: 804
After @Huw wrote the recent article on studless Technic a couple weeks back, I was curious-- how quickly did the transition to studless Technic happen?  So I did a quick experiment.  I listed all the "normal" Technic elements with studs, as well as a whole slew of other "less-normal" pieces with studs, and how many studs per piece each had.  I tried to make sure I counted every element that appeared in at least 10 technic sets (plus a bunch more, too, actually).  Then I graphed the average number of studs per piece in LEGO Technic sets since 1977:


So, that's approximate because I didn't actually verify whether or not EVERY single element had studs or not.  And  I it's also not including Dacta/Education sets, since those often come with a bunch of normal bricks for kids to build with.  Also doesn't count accessory/service packs.

You can definitely see that there's a downward slant in 1996/1997, but then it plunges pretty dramatically!  Interesting, certainly!

I was also surprised by the supposed number of studs in current sets-- something like 0.1 stud per piece?  That seemed odd to me at first, since I don't think of current technic sets having 1 stud per every 10 elements.  Some of that's due to things like the Technic half-pin (which I counted as having 1 stud) or 1x1 round plates added for details, but it's also due to occasional larger elements that have more studs (like 1x8 plates, etc) which show up here and there.

DaveE
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  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,724
    This is fascinating... I wonder why that little uptick in studs between 2001 and 2003, after the precipitous drop a few years earlier? Comparing (i.e. eyeballing the box art in Brickset's database) that period with the years 1998 - 2000, I don't notice a big difference in the style/type of pieces used, but there were few new sets released in 2001 and particularly 2002. Would this have affected the graph or is there something else going on there? (As you can see, maths is not my strong point...)
  • tomahawkertomahawker Member Posts: 153
    I think the uptick in 2002-2003 is because there were very few sets released, and the "flagship" for each year was the re-release of the #8460 Pneumatic Crane Truck, which was largely comprised of many studded beams.
    catwrangler
  • davee123davee123 USAMember Posts: 804
    I think the uptick in 2002-2003 is because there were very few sets released, and the "flagship" for each year was the re-release of the #8460 Pneumatic Crane Truck, which was largely comprised of many studded beams.
    Yeah, pretty much!  There were a few re-released things that raised the average in 2002 and 2003:

    2000:
    8457-1 - 1.16 (Power Puller)
    8279-1 - 0.88 (4WD X-Track)
    8450-1 - 0.85 (The Mission)
    8458-1 - 0.69 (Silver Champion)
    1292-1 - 0.26 (Frost Flyer)
    8005-1 - 0.25 (Ice Explorer)
    8001-1 - 0.15 (Battle Droid)
    8514-1 - 0.12 (Power)
    8520-1 - 0.10 (Millennium / Millennia)
    8000-1 - 0.07 (Pit Droid)
    kabrobo-1 - 0.07 (Kabaya RoboRider 4-Pack)
    8002-1 - 0.06 (Destroyer Droid)
    3057-1 - 0.06 (Create 'n' Race - Master Builders (Masterbuilders))
    8512-1 - 0.05 (Onyx)
    8307-1 - 0.04 (Turbo Racer)
    78675-1 - 0.03 (Exclusive RoboRiders Six Set Limited Edition Value Pack)
    8004-1 - 0.00 (Dirt Bike)
    8238-1 - 0.00 (Dueling Dragsters)
    8237-1 - 0.00 (Formula Force)
    8522-1 - 0.00 (Spark)
    8509-1 - 0.00 (Swamp)
    1061-1 - 0.00 (Single Disk Pack polybag)
    1293-1 - 0.00 (Swamp Craft)
    8521-1 - 0.00 (Flare)
    8003-1 - 0.00 (Volcano Climber)
    8513-1 - 0.00 (Dust)
    8236-1 - 0.00 (Bike Burner)
    8511-1 - 0.00 (Frost)
    8515-1 - 0.00 (RoboRider Wheels)
    8006-1 - 0.00 (Swamp Craft)
    8510-1 - 0.00 (Lava)
    1291-1 - 0.00 (Power Bike)
    8516-1 - 0.00 (The Boss)
    1290-1 - 0.00 (Lava Buggy)
    8523-1 - 0.00 (Blaster)
    8305-1 - 0.00 (Duel Bikes)

    2001:
    8464-1 - 1.41 (Pneumatic Front End Loader)
    8463-1 - 1.10 (Forklift Truck)
    8466-1 - 0.63 (4 X 4 Off-Roader)
    8465-1 - 0.35 (Extreme Off-Roader)
    8242-1 - 0.22 (Slammer Turbo)
    880012-1 - 0.09 (Exclusive Roboriders Pack)
    8240-1 - 0.07 (Slammer Stunt Bike)
    8007-1 - 0.06 (C-3PO)
    8008-1 - 0.04 (Stormtrooper)
    8241-1 - 0.04 (Battle Cars)
    880010-1 - 0.00 (Exclusive Roboriders Pack)
    1237-1 - 0.00 (Honda Asimo Robot)
    880011-1 - 0.00 (Exclusive Roboriders Pack)

    2002:
    8431-1 - 2.57 (Pneumatic Crane Truck)
    8429-1 - 2.34 (Helicopter)
    8430-1 - 0.52 (Motorbike)
    65081-1 - 0.06 (R2-D2 8009 / C-3PO 8007 Droid Collectors Set)
    8009-1 - 0.05 (R2-D2)
    8011-1 - 0.05 (Jango Fett)
    K8008-1 - 0.03 (Darth Vader / Stormtrooper Kit)
    8010-1 - 0.02 (Darth Vader)
    8012-1 - 0.02 (Super Battle Droid)

    2003:
    8438-1 - 2.68 (Pneumatic Crane Truck)
    8454-1 - 0.12 (Rescue Truck)
    8453-1 - 0.09 (Front-End Loader)
    8451-1 - 0.08 (Dumper)
    8455-1 - 0.06 (Back-hoe Loader (Backhoe))
    4481-1 - 0.06 (Hailfire Droid)
    8441-1 - 0.04 (Forklift Truck)

    2004:
    8439-1 - 1.38 (Front End Loader)
    8435-1 - 0.13 (4WD)
    8436-1 - 0.12 (Truck)
    8434-1 - 0.09 (Aircraft)
    8453-2 - 0.09 (Front-End Loader, Black Box)
    65340-1 - 0.08 (Dumper and Front End Loader Co-Pack (contains 8451 and 8453))
    8433-1 - 0.05 (Cool Movers)
    8419-1 - 0.00 (Excavator)

    2005:
    8421-1 - 0.57 (Mobile Crane)
    8416-1 - 0.37 (Forklift)
    8415-1 - 0.12 (Dump Truck)
    8420-1 - 0.07 (Street Bike)
    8418-1 - 0.00 (Mini Loader)

    DaveE
    catwrangler
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,707
    Seeing as you included the Technic Star Wars sets from 2000 to 2002, would it also be fair to include the Bionicle sets from 2001? After all, the 2002 Star Wars sets were not actually branded as LEGO Technic (they just had regular LEGO Star Wars branding), but the 2001 Bionicle sets were. I'm curious how that would impact the results.
  • davee123davee123 USAMember Posts: 804
    edited August 2016
    Aanchir said:
    Seeing as you included the Technic Star Wars sets from 2000 to 2002, would it also be fair to include the Bionicle sets from 2001? After all, the 2002 Star Wars sets were not actually branded as LEGO Technic (they just had regular LEGO Star Wars branding), but the 2001 Bionicle sets were. I'm curious how that would impact the results.
    I didn't really scrutinize the categorization too much-- I just went with what BrickLink said, which isn't all that great!  It also categorizes some stuff like combo-packs, which double-counts things.  It's kind of odd.

    Anyway, no, Bionicle doesn't affect things too much it seems.  The number in the graph above was about 0.496 for 2001, which (after I categorized a few more elements) should have been about 0.529.

    Numbers for 2001:
    No Bionicle, Yes Star Wars: 0.529
    Yes Bionicle, Yes Star Wars: 0.535
    No Bionicle, No Star Wars: 0.636
    Yes Bionicle, No Star Wars: 0.586

    So, not all that much of a difference in general, which I guess isn't terribly surprising.

    And here's the numbers I get for JUST Bionicle (no Technic):

    2001 - 0.54184159
    2002 - 0.008231621
    2003 - 0.005813953
    2004 - 0.019437552
    2005 - 0.979025111
    2006 - 0.611439177
    2007 - 0.74745577
    2008 - 0.021175225
    2009 - 0.011907655

    That seems really odd to me, honestly, since it keeps fluctuating.  But then again, I haven't really gone through the parts lists for Bionicle, just in case there are a bunch of Bionicle elements that have oddball studs on, say, various masks, weapons, or otherwise (my program assumes there's no studs on a part if it's not listed explicitly).

    [edit]Guh, Bionicle's being raised thanks to some LEGOLAND theme park models made from bricks that are in BrickLink's database![/edit]

    If studs could be categorized more easily, it'd be interesting to see how the Town/City lineup has done with studs, actually.  I suspect the gradual encroaching of smooth, tiled surfaces has reduced the average stud count/piece there, too.  But that would take a LOT of element categorization by studs.

    Non sequitur, but long ago, I talked with the Peeron guys about that-- they wanted to be able to search for parts based on other criteria like "has 4 studs" and "has an axlehole" and "has a clip", etc.  But it never really went anywhere.  It'd be a very handy resource now and again, but I don't know if anyone's done anything like that.  GET ON THAT, SOMEBODY!  I've got useless statistics to generate!

    DaveE

    catwrangler
  • davee123davee123 USAMember Posts: 804
    davee123 said:
    That seems really odd to me, honestly, since it keeps fluctuating. 

    So, revised stats for Bionicle, after removing some oddball sets, and adding in through 2016:

    2001 - 0.110857515
    2002 - 0.008231621
    2003 - 0.005813953
    2004 - 0.019437552
    2005 - 0.979025111
    2006 - 0.611439177
    2007 - 0.74745577
    2008 - 0.021175225
    2009 - 0.011907655
    2010 - 0
    2014 - 0
    2015 - 0.08819133
    2016 - 0.066501241

    Initially had a higher stud count thanks to Tarakava and Manas, and then pretty low until 2005 when the playsets started coming out, which lasted through 2007.

    DaveE
    catwrangler
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