5004419 - Classic Knights set - official pictures

MattDawson

http://brickfanatics.co.uk/official-images-of-lego-classic-knights-set/

Brickfanatics has the official pictures up of #5004419. 

paul_merton

Brings back fond memories of getting #6012 as a birthday present many moons ago.

SumoLego

^ Precisely!  

(Now go spend $100.00 a [email protected], or at your local Lego Retail Store.)

plasmodium

Definitely need. But no way I'm spending £50 at [email protected]! Sigh...

MattsWhat

What are the dates on this?  Does it allign with the new Beetle *crosses fingers*

AdeelZubair

The US July 2016 calendar informs us that it will be available between June 30th-July 10th with purchases of $50 or more at LEGO Brand Stores and on Shop.LEGO.com.

Although I don't recall on any details on this promo outside of the US. I have fingers crossed it will be the same for the UK as I'm planning to pick up #75828 - Ecto-1 & 2 on Friday!

monstblitz

Too bad they don't release an entire line of classic knight Lego.  This is just going to be a tease, a sweet dream only to wake up to the nightmare of Nexo Knights...

Bumblepants

I have been browsing classic castle on Bricklink daydreaming a lot lately because of this.

monstblitz

Bumblepants said:

I have been browsing classic castle on Bricklink daydreaming a lot lately because of this.

I'm not a fan of the insert in those pictures.  Placing Nexo Knights in the timeline of Lego Knights is a travesty. 

MattsWhat

^Have you built any of the sets yet?
It isn't my favourite theme by a long shot, but the quality of the builds is actually really good.  Surprisingly good to be honest.  I would have preferred they spent the time designing classic castle sets, but as I have two boys that sit squarly in the target demographic, I can you tell you these are a huge hit.  They deserve their spot, however grudgingly we give it, for being the nostalgia of the years to come.

monstblitz

MattsWhat said:

^Have you built any of the sets yet?
It isn't my favourite theme by a long shot, but the quality of the builds is actually really good.  Surprisingly good to be honest.  I would have preferred they spent the time designing classic castle sets, but as I have two boys that sit squarly in the target demographic, I can you tell you these are a huge hit.  They deserve their spot, however grudgingly we give it, for being the nostalgia of the years to come.

I've only built the free giveaways, and I took no joy in it.  Just my opinion, but there are way too many other Lego sets out there that I enjoy for me to buy and build that nonsense, even if the build is good.  For me, I have to enjoy the theme on an intrinsic level to be able to enjoy the build.  If the end product is a POS, I don't care what building it was like.  The theme itself makes no sense, the villains are terrible, and the heroes are clunky and uninspired.  In my humble opinion. 

Also, I don't like supporting bad themes.  Making excuses for them that they are good builds or there are "decent parts" I think just encourages the production of more bad  themes.  Lego is great right now, but if the masses keep eating up every bad Lego theme, there will be no motivation for Lego to produce good themes.

brumey

my nephew ditches ninjago more and more for nexo!
he now watches both. ninjago and nexo! but he is all over nexo currently!

monstblitz

To add, when I pick on Nexo Knights, it's partly serious, partly tongue-in-cheek, especially when I use words like "travesty".  I can understand those of you who have kids that are into it buying them and I don't judge.  Luckily my kids aren't into them, but there are sets and themes I'm not a fan of that I buy for them because I try to put their happiness above my own...most of the time!

Aanchir

monstblitz said:

Also, I don't like supporting bad themes.  Making excuses for them that they are good builds or there are "decent parts" I think just encourages the production of more bad  themes.  Lego is great right now, but if the masses keep eating up every bad Lego theme, there will be no motivation for Lego to produce good themes.

If the masses are really eating them up, maybe they're genuinely not as bad as you think they are. Do you honestly believe that AFOLs buying sets for parts or the building experience are a substantial factor in why LEGO creates themes like Ninjago or Legends of Chima or Ultra Agents or Nexo Knights? Of course not — these themes are designed for kids first and foremost. Whether adults care enough to buy them for themselves or can even make sense of them is secondary.

MattsWhat

monstblitz said:

MattsWhat said:

^Have you built any of the sets yet?
It isn't my favourite theme by a long shot, but the quality of the builds is actually really good.  Surprisingly good to be honest.  I would have preferred they spent the time designing classic castle sets, but as I have two boys that sit squarly in the target demographic, I can you tell you these are a huge hit.  They deserve their spot, however grudgingly we give it, for being the nostalgia of the years to come.

I've only built the free giveaways, and I took no joy in it.  Just my opinion, but there are way too many other Lego sets out there that I enjoy for me to buy and build that nonsense, even if the build is good.  For me, I have to enjoy the theme on an intrinsic level to be able to enjoy the build.  If the end product is a POS, I don't care what building it was like.  The theme itself makes no sense, the villains are terrible, and the heroes are clunky and uninspired.  In my humble opinion. 

Also, I don't like supporting bad themes.  Making excuses for them that they are good builds or there are "decent parts" I think just encourages the production of more bad  themes.  Lego is great right now, but if the masses keep eating up every bad Lego theme, there will be no motivation for Lego to produce good themes.

Some strong words in there when it is all opinion.  Lego produces themes they think will sell, for each individual some are good and some are bad - I don't think for one second that 'if the masses keep eating it up' is having any effect at all - or rather it is having a huge effect when the masses you refer to are the target audience anyway.

As for build over finished product - yeah, I wouldn't diplay NK around the place, but the build and parts are good, and for a lot of people (AFOLs included) the build is an important factor - afterall, if I didn't enjoy the building bit the most, why collect LEGO and not some other toy/collectible? (Let us not get onto sealed box collectors).  The parts and building techniques then get reused when I MOC - the value of genuinely new techniques is worth the price of admission on it's own.

cheshirecat

Nothing to do with whether the theme is good or not, it's not castle, the figure looks more like a space marine than a castle knight. 

Lyichir

cheshirecat said:

Nothing to do with whether the theme is good or not, it's not castle, the figure looks more like a space marine than a castle knight. 

It's not "medieval" or "historical", but that's far from the same thing as "not castle". The theme has most of the fundamental elements of your typical castle theme—knights, wizards, jesters, horses, and yes, castles themselves. The fact that the horses are robotic, the wizard is a hologram, and one of the castles is on treads doesn't change that.

TheBigLegoski

paul_merton said:

Brings back fond memories of getting #6012 as a birthday present many moons ago.

I had that set too as a kid. Well I still have it, and I thought it was an epic little set.

As a little kid, I also loved reading Asterix comics. In numerous of these comics, the Romans employ all sorts of siege engines. In the comic book 'Asterix and Son' when they attack the village of the invincible Gauls, where Asterix etc. live, the Romans use these giant crossbows with fiery arrows/missiles quite similar to what you see here in this set. Even though Udderzo's Asterix takes place at 50BC, as a little kid these comics were one of the sources of inspiration for endless siege warfare role-playing with my classic castle Lego.
http://www.asterix.com/the-collection/albums/asterix-and-son.html

When I saw this set on the home page of Brickset a couple of days ago, I just immediately knew; I have to have this little 'trip down memory lane' VIP set!
http://brickset.com/sets/5004419-1/Classic-Knights-Minifigure 
http://brickset.com/sets/6012-1/Siege-Cart

Yes, I love the packaging of this little set, I like the set itself too. Though in terms of Lego elements; essentially it is all about the torso print of the figure and the two shields included. I suppose it would be asking too much, but would it not have been even more epic if they included both a yellow AND a blue shield? The lion shield came in two variations; with a yellow lion against a blue background, and the one that comes with this set. The 1986 set was also nice in terms of demonstrating SNOT design.

ps.
I would love to see TLG re-release a couple of classic castle sets sporting the Lion Knights (not sure who/when/why these are/were dubbed 'crusaders' in English), as well as the Black Falcon Knights, both introduced in 1984. Or some proper newly designed retro classic castle theme Lego set, with these two factions in it. Also one of the reasons I love the 2010 Kingdoms theme so much. It was IMO an excellent reincarnation of the classic Lego castle theme, and a shame they discontinued that theme as fast as they did.
 

Dedgecko

I'm hopeful that we'll see some classic lines in future Nexo Knight sets.  Mostly I just want to see more structures.  Enough with the vehicles.  The volcano lair is about the only thing I'm interested in the current wave.

LusiferSam

monstblitz said:

I'm not a fan of the insert in those pictures.  Placing Nexo Knights in the timeline of Lego Knights is a travesty. 

That was my exact thought. 

I've got a short list of sets I plan to get in the near future, so it's not a big deal to go spend $50 to get this.

6012 was one of the first sets I bought on the secondary market when I decided to go back and start completing my Castle collection.  Came in a lot with 6080 and was incomplete with no instructions.  For some odd reason it took me more than 10 years to get the instructions.

brumey

awesome. 1 dude got a blue oldschool lego cape!

piratemania7

Does anyone think the value of this set will be dictated by the combined value of it along with the space and pirate versions?  Wondering if by having all 3 it would be more desirable.

Aanchir

piratemania7 said:

Does anyone think the value of this set will be dictated by the combined value of it along with the space and pirate versions?  Wondering if by having all 3 it would be more desirable.

It's an interesting question for sure. On the one hand, combining sets/figures from different themes can sometimes actually reduce the amount people are willing to spend on them. As an example, the BrickLink prices of either of the Target Minifigure Gift Sets (containing figs from the Super Heroes, Ninjago, Legends of Chima, and City themes) tend to be lower than the net prices of the individual figs, probably because people would rather pay more per fig for an individual fig from a theme they love than for four figs they have mixed feelings about.

On the other hand, the Target Minifigure Gift Sets don't really have any common binding thread aside from all being unique figs from popular themes. Whereas these sets are not only part of a series, but they also all represent classic themes. A Space fan still might not be super interested in retro Castle or Pirates sets, but chances are that if they lived through that classic era they'll at least appreciate all three sets' heritage.

Overall, if you were to put them up for sale on BrickLink, I think there'd definitely be an advantage to having the whole series for sale, since that way people will recognize your store as an easy avenue to "catch up" on a series they missed out on (as opposed to having to buy them individually from separate sellers). But selling them as part of the same lot might be riskier.

Istokg

Very interesting.... with the white LEGO studs image on the box... the 5004419 Classic Knights Set box....




.... is very reminiscent of LEGO retailer parts refill boxes of the 1960s.....

Aanchir

Istokg said:

Very interesting.... with the white LEGO studs image on the box... the 5004419 Classic Knights Set box....

.... is very reminiscent of LEGO retailer parts refill boxes of the 1960s.....

Yep! No doubt that's deliberate. They even use the old LEGO System logo on the sides. It was the same with the Classic Spaceman Minifigure set from 2014 and Classic Pirate Minifigure set from 2015: https://flic.kr/p/vHmnAn

On a side note, looking back at those sets, interesting that each one of these sets has more building elements than the last. Also, I now notice that all three identify the set not by the theme name, but by the minifigure's profession (Spaceman/Pirate/Knight). So maybe this might mean we're not locked into one such set per theme, which would remove some of the ambiguity over whether a "Classic Ninja Set" is possible. Furthermore, a future Town or Western set in this series might be labeled as "Classic Policeman Set" or "Classic Cowboy Set".

Identifying the fig by occupation also helps to justify the inclusion of figs in the timeline that might not technically be part of the same theme as their classic counterpart — like a Nexo Knight in a Knight set, or a Ninjago character in a Ninja set, or a CMF in any of the sets.

bobabricks

This definitely looks like the best and most true to the original of all of these little throw back sets so far. I was hoping that those spears were reddish brown, but they seem to be dark brown. We still got some cool new pieces, unlike the others which didn't have any.

In my opinion the pirates one was the worst. It had the chrome gold, but there was no effort to make the figure look vintage and the tree looked god awful. It just looked like a supplement pack for the then current pirates theme.

CurvedRoadPlate

I wonder if we will get a Town set next year? 

bobabricks

CurvedRoadPlate said:

I wonder if we will get a Town set next year? 

Funny I was thinking the same thing. I'm sure they will, these little throw back sets seem to be popular.

Aanchir

bobabricks said:

CurvedRoadPlate said:

I wonder if we will get a Town set next year? 

Funny I was thinking the same thing. I'm sure they will, these little throw back sets seem to be popular.

Town's definitely a contender due to being the fourth of the 80s/90s evergreen themes. Other people have contemplated a western/cowboy set, though the issue there is that minifigure-wise it doesn't have as rich a heritage (despite Legoredo Town having been one of the core areas way back when LEGOLAND Billund was first opened).

I'm wondering about the possibility of a "classic ninja set" since the LEGO Ninjago movie is coming next year and the previous classic sets have come out in a year when the corresponding theme has been reimagined in some way (Benny's Spaceship in 2014, the Pirates reboot in 2015, and Nexo Knights this year). But since we know so little about next year's themes OTHER than the movie themes, that might not be the best predictor.

Istokg

Almost all sets of the 1960-65 era had that LEGO stud look to the boxes... very photogenic boxes.  Here's the basic set boxes of that era... 700/0 (largest) thru 700/6 (smallest) of Europe/Australia....



Image: from my Unofficial LEGO Sets/Parts Collectors Guide.

Bumblepants

And in typical fashion it is advertised on the front page of [email protected] but not adding to cart. Can they ever get something to work properly in the first 24 hours of it going live on their site? 

SamJ

It's not even showing for me! Moved the palace cinema to my basket and it added the nexo Knights poster and the fountain. 

MattDawson

It's not supposed to be available until the 1st July, @Bumblepants

sklamb

@Bumblepants -- I'm hoping it shows up later in the order later on--that's often happened before. (Wanted to place an order today to benefit from the last day of free shipping at a reduced price....)

Bumblepants

^^US calendar has it starting today and the [email protected] splash page agrees. Just won't add to cart.

sklamb

Yes, the promotion definitely starts today in the US.

sklamb

5004419 D2C Minifigure Retro Set was included in the e-mail acknowledgment for my order, even though it didn't show up during checkout. So all seems to be well.

TheOneVeyronian

Can anyone possibly confirm when this promo starts in the UK, if at all? There's absolutely no mention of it anywhere on the UK [email protected] Do we have to wait until tomorrow?

I was really hoping it would start today here so I could get both a Fountain and a Classic Knights set. And while the US already has their August calendar, we still don't even have our JULY calendar that would advertise this promo...

snowhitie

@TheOneVeyronian I'm sorry to tell you, the fountain set is not available online anymore, hasn't for a week or 2, some shops still have them though...

TheBigLegoski

^
Yeah, that was such a total bummer!
I wanted to place a small order about a week and half ago, and no more Fountain set to appear in you shopping cart. So I ordered nothing! Now you get some Nexo Knights poster, but I am not interested in those.
I hope the little Lion Knight set deal starts tomorrow, then I will place a small order at [email protected] because I really want this classic knight set.

paul_merton

The fountain set is still in my basket...

AdeelZubair

#40221 - Fountain was only available in the US for two weeks from June 1st and a full month for the UK, henceforth why it's still available in the UK and not in the US.

TheBigLegoski

@paul_merton  
Thanks for the info.
I just called [email protected] and placed an order via telephone instead of the web, and the Lego CS employee added the fountain set manually to my order.
B.t.w.
I ordered the Pirates Chess set. (My second Lego Chess set) for €59,99 (I paid €5 less as I still had some VIP points, so €54,99 in total and free shipping).
I already had my eye on it for so long, but never bought it. Just like all the other Pirate sets which I wanted to buy, but ended up not buying.
It is great value for money; not just as a chess set, but also as a minifig pack, and a parts pack (857 elements) with lots of bricks and plates.
ps.
On topic: she could not and/or would not tel me if the classic castle set will be available tomorrow (July 1st), but from the tone of her voice I got the impression that it will be.

paul_merton

How is the fountain set still in my basket? Does it appear for anyone else? I'm scared to empty my basket just in case it goes missing :)

MattDawson

@paul_merton
Apparently the UK is until the end of today, so get in quick.

TheBigLegoski

^
Yes today is the last day. So hurry, hurry! (if you want to get it)
Better call them, if it does not get added when you order via the website.

LusiferSam

I had trouble getting this added to my basket as well.  I went on [email protected] as soon as the banner showed up and couldn't get it add to my basket.  The next morning after I received my VIP email flyer I reloaded my basket and there it was.  I'm assuming it was something simply like the feature just hadn't been enabled yet.  A few hours difference is slightly annoying but hardly worth crucifying [email protected] over.

monstblitz

Picked one up today after a purchase at the Lego Store.  The seal on mine was not stuck to the box and loose.  Hopefully it was just unique to mine and not a problem for all of them.  Didn't bother me too much since I plan to build it, but for anyone looking to stash it or resell, something to look out for. 

MattDawson

Mine's now on order! So excited!