My Brick Separators are starting a Family Or "WHY DO I HAVE SO MANY OF THEM!"

SprinkleOtter

I'm fine with the placement of Brick separators, for now. If they start to move into Bionicle sets or polybags, however, then I think things will be getting out of hand.

VorpalRyu

According to Rebrickable, we have 59 orange, 1 green, but some of those are in sets for reselling, we also have one of the old grey wedge type ones.

MattsWhat

SprinkleOtter said:

I'm fine with the placement of Brick separators, for now. If they start to move into Bionicle sets or polybags, however, then I think things will be getting out of hand.

I hear they will be included with the Disney CMF series.

chrisalddin

LegoPegasister2015 said:

I haven't counted recently but I estimate I have about 60.

witch when you think about it. the part only come out in 2011 and was 1st added to sets in 2012. to have 60 in about 3 years. shows that you buy a lot of lego.

piratemania7

Do we know, or have we discussed why some are green and others are orange?

Pitfall69

Here's the big question: If a brick separator came with a set; is the set 100% complete if it is missing from the set?

I'm sorry; I had to ;)

VorpalRyu

Nice one @Pitfall69... :( Not again!

chrisalddin

Pitfall69 said:

Here's the big question: If a brick separator came with a set; is the set 100% complete if it is missing from the set?

I'm sorry; I had to ;)

i would have to say if the separator is missing from a set then no it is not 100% complete.
would i phone up lego to ask for the missing part if said missing part was a brick separator. NO!

Yodalicious

Pitfall69 said:

Here's the big question: If a brick separator came with a set; is the set 100% complete if it is missing from the set?

I'm sorry; I had to ;)

It's along the lines of the tree in the forest. If a brick separator was separated from the set in which it came, would anyone notice?

We were not put on this earth to entirely answer such questions, but to merely ponder the various paths we could take when decided which response is more true.

chrisalddin

Yodalicious said:

Pitfall69 said:

Here's the big question: If a brick separator came with a set; is the set 100% complete if it is missing from the set?

I'm sorry; I had to ;)

It's along the lines of the tree in the forest. If a brick separator was separated from the set in which it came, would anyone notice?

We were not put on this earth to entirely answer such questions, but to merely ponder the various paths we could take when decided which response is more true.

would i notice?
Yes.
would i care?
Yes, and yet at the same time No.

chrisalddin

so i dont get shouted at again, i did try to look but i had no luck in funding one, is there a thread on here ware we can chat about what theme's we like to get and complete? or a thread ware you can post you wishlist for the next coming months.
( woot i can spell month's, i finally can spell months. now all i have to do is not forget how to do it, i been auto typing mouth and not month for years......)

SuperTramp

http://bricksetforum.com/discussion/22487/whats-your-backlog#latest

gmonkey76

@chrisalddin  try Lego Sets to get, or What are you buying right now? In the Buying & Selling Topic.

Pitfall69

Or the "What's your Lego related goal for 2016?", "What are you building? and "What are you buying.?" threads. 

chrisalddin

ok thanks,
backlog dont quite fit,
buying right now, is not quite the same as buying soon. but ok.
lego set's to get, did not know about that one and will have a look.
goal for 2016 is a good idea.
building right now dont quote fit,

yet all are good ideas. thanks.
i will probably pick lego set's or goal for 2016.
ok back to my build in progress.

dragon114

via beyond the brick 

TigerMoth

MattsWhat said:

I find it hard to believe that the software people claim to be using to improve their posts is as bad as it is.

Most people looking for software to do something settle for the first thing that "does the job". The snag with something like a grammar checker is that, if your grammar isn't particular good in the first place, you can't actually tell whether it's "doing the job".

MattsWhat said:

Anyway, the grammar of peoples post is not as annoying as people starting lots of new threads when there are already existing ones

I'll can go along with that but, again, there's a snag. Sure, some people wouldn't even think of searching for an existing thread, but some of that has to do with the varying cultures on different forums. However, some people couldn't use search to save their life. That may make not sense (it doesn't really make sense to me), but it's nevertheless true. When you put that together with searches that don't work and therefore lead to mistrust (how many times have you Googled something, only to get results that have nothing to do with the search expression, and don't contain it?), and the fact that some people can't spell the search terms, there are some good reasons why things might go wrong. After all, it only requires a simple "thataway guys" with a link.

It's all very simple if you know and can; impossible if you don't or can't.

TigerMoth

chrisalddin said:

Pitfall69 said:

Here's the big question: If a brick separator came with a set; is the set 100% complete if it is missing from the set?

I'm sorry; I had to ;)

i would have to say if the separator is missing from a set then no it is not 100% complete.
would i phone up lego to ask for the missing part if said missing part was a brick separator. NO!

@chrisalddin: Don't go there. It's an in-joke. It's another subject for which there are already seemingly countless threads.

tallblocktoo

Find it funny they don't think we could find an orange separator in amongst orange bricks.  Interesting bit about the Palace Cinema.  

SirBen

Pitfall69 said:

Here's the big question: If a brick separator came with a set; is the set 100% complete if it is missing from the set?

If I Bricklink the set and include a brick separator then do I own the set?

SumoLego

^ Only if you save one flap of the original box.

Brickfan50

Yodalicious said

We were not put on this earth to entirely answer such questions, but to merely ponder the various paths we could take when decided which response is more true.

Ah, we have a philosopher in the forum!

slovakiasteph

I'd rather have free brick separators than have to buy them like we used to!  My family has an old grey one.  There was a challenge on here a while ago where the brick separator was the special piece...

gmonkey76

^ They're not free. You pay X amount for a set and instead of a couple of more pieces you get the brick separator. 

monkyby87

slovakiasteph said:

I'd rather have free brick separators than have to buy them like we used to!  My family has an old grey one.  There was a challenge on here a while ago where the brick separator was the special piece...

Agreed.  I don't know if people remember that you had to buy them on your own, they were never free.  Granted, the old grey one was a little more industrial and sturdy, but the orange ones do just fine.  I say keep them coming, what does it matter?

arathemis

It does matter if it takes the place of 5-10 replacement/extra pieces. I`d rather I have to buy 1 separator and be done with it, than collecting 10-15 pieces (as I have now) at the expense fo 50-150 extra pieces.

MattsWhat

So do people actually think they come at the expense of pieces?  Like the designer finishes the set and then has to take off 10 bricks just to put in the separator?  Surely, what is meant is that the price is increased to cover it, which is redundant anyway as the price is always a round number meaning it is rounded up anyway (separator or not).

Or maybe they do take bricks away after the design process is finished.  Maybe the 60s Batcave has 25 separators and the designer had to remove 250 bricks before it made it to retail.. that might explain the look they went for.

TigerMoth

That also means that some brick separators will shift a set to the next price point. Not so "free" any more, is it?

gmonkey76

LEGO has to pay for the plastic to make the separator, someone to make/program the machine to make the separator. Lets say the plastic costs $0.10 and the person makes $8.00 hr thats $8.10 for one separator. Multiply that by the 100 I alone have that's $810. Yes the price will go down by how many they make an hour, but still no company will eat that cost and stay in business. While a separator may not come at the price of pieces, you aren't getting them for free.

Paperballpark

TigerMoth said:

That also means that some brick separators will shift a set to the next price point. Not so "free" any more, is it?

What tosh. Designers have a price point to work to for each set, so TLG is not going to 'shift' the set into the next price bracket just because the designer added a Brick Separator.

Paperballpark

gmonkey76 said:

LEGO has to pay for the plastic to make the separator, someone to make/program the machine to make the separator. Lets say the plastic costs $0.10 and the person makes $8.00 hr thats $8.10 for one separator. Multiply that by the 100 I alone have that's $810. Yes the price will go down by how many they make an hour, but still no company will eat that cost and stay in business. While a separator may not come at the price of pieces, you aren't getting them for free.

Sorry, but you're implying that a person actually programs a new machine for each Separator. Obviously once a machine is set up to make them, that machine doesn't need to be touched again for the entire batch. The cost simply doesn't scale in the way you're implying.

gmonkey76

@Paperballpark there is still a cost involved, so even if you take out the person you still have to pay for the plastic, the electricity to make it, and even if it's $0.01 you still are paying for the separator.

Yodalicious

Whether you're paying for it or not, the main point is that it isn't in lieu of other pieces. They aren't saying "don't forget to only make that set 375 pieces because it needs to have a separator too." If they did, than every set at each price range would have to have roughly the same number of pieces, which is very much not the case.

Yes, we are paying for it in a roundabout way, but we aren't losing other pieces because of it.

Yodalicious

Paperballpark said:

TigerMoth said:

That also means that some brick separators will shift a set to the next price point. Not so "free" any more, is it?

What tosh. Designers have a price point to work to for each set, so TLG is not going to 'shift' the set into the next price bracket just because the designer added a Brick Separator.

Back to the different sayings/phrases when it comes to different English-speaking countries...

"What tosh!" I love it. Definitely using that.

MrShinyAndNew

Arguably the brick separators could reduce Lego's costs for a set. If there is a large set, that sells reasonably well, presumably some fraction of the customers will contact customer support angrily complaining that their kid put the piece in the wrong place and now they can't get it off and what kind of rubbish product is this anyway? I used to do customer support (not for Lego) and we get all kinds of calls. So putting a tool like the brick separator in a kit could help reduce support costs. Most families don't have 20 large sets so having brick separators in all those sets means each family only has a handful at most. But that separator keeps those customers happy, and happy customers bug your support staff less and buy your products more. 

Hey, it's as likely as the scenario where they're reducing piece counts.

Rebelego

dragon114 said:

via beyond the brick 

I saw that at BrickFair this weekend!

AdeelZubair

dragon114 said:

via beyond the brick 

Come on! I did that a couple of years ago...

...the only difference is that mine is upright and has no concept.

TigerMoth

Paperballpark said:

TigerMoth said:

That also means that some brick separators will shift a set to the next price point. Not so "free" any more, is it?

What tosh. Designers have a price point to work to for each set, so TLG is not going to 'shift' the set into the next price bracket just because the designer added a Brick Separator.

OK. So if a set is designed to a price point, that means we're back to losing
out on bricks. You can't have it both ways.

When working to a price, there has to be a tipping point. One extra piece, or a brick separator, or larger sticker sheet will be just too much - otherwise you could just keep adding things forever.

Yodalicious said:

Whether you're paying for it or not, the main point is that it isn't in lieu of other pieces.

No. The main point is that you are paying for it. That means it's not free. That's where we came in.

If it's in the box, somebody is paying for it - and that's always going to be you.

arathemis

I`m not saying that the sets are diminished in size (number of pieces). I`m just saying that I`d like the amount of plastic eaten by a brick separatot to be turned into 1x1 cheese slopes, 1x2 tiles, 1x2 plates, 1x1 lights etc that are used in that set. Some of these piece either get lost while my kid plays with them or are getting cracked. So having a number of 5-10 extra pieces for replacement purposes would suit me better than getting the 10th separator for my collection.

Yodalicious

TigerMoth said:

Paperballpark said:

TigerMoth said:

That also means that some brick separators will shift a set to the next price point. Not so "free" any more, is it?

What tosh. Designers have a price point to work to for each set, so TLG is not going to 'shift' the set into the next price bracket just because the designer added a Brick Separator.

OK. So if a set is designed to a price point, that means we're back to losing
out on bricks. You can't have it both ways.

When working to a price, there has to be a tipping point. One extra piece, or a brick separator, or larger sticker sheet will be just too much - otherwise you could just keep adding things forever.

Yodalicious said:

Whether you're paying for it or not, the main point is that it isn't in lieu of other pieces.

No. The main point is that you are paying for it. That means it's not free. That's where we came in.

If it's in the box, somebody is paying for it - and that's always going to be you.

If you read the next paragraph in my comment, you would have seen the words "Yes, we are paying for it..."

And, oh yeah, I never once said it was free.

Yodalicious

I definitely think many sets are designed to a price point. Just look at themes when they are released that cover a variety of price points. That's not be accident. However, if you look across all of the sets released at a specific price point, the range of piece counts can be quite large. Not anything ridiculous, but it's not as if $20 sets, for instance, stick to only 190-210 pieces.

TigerMoth

Life isn't all about you, you know; other people have posted.

The original remarks related to it  being free.

Yodalicious

^ You quoted me, creating a counterpoint to something I said, telling me no, then stating what you believed the main point to actually be in contrast to what I had said by saying that we are actually are paying for it, which I had said in the part of my previous comment, but you conveniently didn't quote. But okay, thanks for the life lesson about everything not being entirely about me.

Sorry to be coming across as an a__, but you are always very definitive in your comments and sometimes things aren't as cut and dry as you make them out to be. Things can go both ways without one person having to be the one that definitively knows exactly how something supposedly works. Unless that person has some true insider information, it's all just opinion.

chrisalddin

TigerMoth said:

Life isn't all about you, you know; other people have posted.

The original remarks related to it  being free.

No. i did not.
as the original poster of this thread i did not say a word about the cost or non cost of the separators

so what "original remarks" are you going on about.

MattsWhat

Yodalicious said:

^ You quoted me, creating a counterpoint to something I said, telling me no, then stating what you believed the main point to actually be in contrast to what I had said by saying that we are actually are paying for it, which I had said in the part of my previous comment, but you conveniently didn't quote. But okay, thanks for the life lesson about everything not being entirely about me.

Sorry to be coming across as an a__, but you are always very definitive in your comments and sometimes things aren't as cut and dry as you make them out to be. Things can go both ways without one person having to be the one that definitively knows exactly how something supposedly works. Unless that person has some true insider information, it's all just opinion.

I can't like this comment more than once but I wish I could. Someone calling him out for once, woop. 

TigerMoth

Yodalicious said:

^ You quoted me, creating a counterpoint to something I said, telling me no, then stating what you believed the main point

You were twisting the conversation away from what was originally said (see below), and therefore the main point.

chrisalddin said:

so what "original remarks" are you going on about.

The original remarks (in this particular tangent) relating to "free" and "not free":

slovakiasteph said:

I'd rather have free brick separators than have to buy them like we used to!  My family has an old grey one.  There was a challenge on here a while ago where the brick separator was the special piece...

and

gmonkey76 said:

^ They're not free. You pay X amount for a set and instead of a couple of more pieces you get the brick separator.

TigerMoth

MattsWhat said:

I can't like this comment more than once but I wish I could. Someone calling him out for once, woop. 

Everytime you say something like that I think how sad your life must be for it to be of the slightest interest to you.

chrisalddin

you know. i can envision someone, when they see a new post in this thread. they go and put on popcorn before they read it.

Ain't forums a place of love, sweetness, understanding and Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!

TigerMoth

chrisalddin said:

you know. i can envision someone, when they see a new post in this thread. they go and put on popcorn before they read it.

This thread is supposed to be dead on the basis that it's a duplicate. However, people come along and add bits that are pertinent to some degree or other. It should probably have been closed when you were redirected to the other thread.

chrisalddin said:
Ain't forums a place of love, sweetness, understanding and Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!

A comedian, huh? :-)

chrisalddin

TigerMoth said:

chrisalddin said:
Ain't forums a place of love, sweetness, understanding and Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy!

A comedian, huh? :-)

yep!