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Regardless, doesn't really matter until we see what the market is willing to pay (or what resellers hope the market will pay).
No doubt the figures will be popular, but personally I think I'd be more interested in Joker, Riddler and Catwoman which are the only ones of those characters to make distinctly 60s versions. I'll keep half an eye on the Bricklink prices of the figures but they will all almost certainly be too pricey for me...hoping that I'll be able to piece together the Batmobile, but ultimately I've already accepted this set as a no go for me.
So, assuming it follows the trend of other minifig heavy sets currently on the market, resellers will pitch it at the 'sell the minifigs, break even' price. I assume that this is also a limiting price as people in the market for more than a couple of the minifigs will just cough up the whole lot knowing it is a better deal than paying full price and only getting the figs.
A better comparison than the tumbler (due to the low number of minifigs) might be jokerland, Arkham Asylum, or the orginal batcave. The minifigs each seem to sell for around £6-9 around here, then creep up as the set price goes up after retirement. This figure sits almost exactly at the 'sell the minifigs, break even price'. I assume that some sellers can pick the set up discounted or are happy to get a load of free bricks and some VIP points for the little bit of work they have to do.
The interesting bit for this set, is the fact that some of the minifigs are much more desirable than others, but as completionists will prop up the sale of the less deirable minifigs, I can't imagine a great deal of cost difference between them provided they all remain exclusive. At least on bricklink that is, I would imagine we will see sets of the Bats and Robin both in and out of their gear, going for silly money on ebay to people who are a little less aware of the 'process' of parting out.
Edit: I wrote all this then others has replied... if the prices were the same I apologise for the confusion. I normally work in £ anyway so I was trying my best ;)
this is a set to keep misb! feeling the nostalgia. but not quite into the buildings. it looks unfinished.
digging alfred, the batmobil and the printed 1x4 bricks.
However when I break the set down as to what I love about it... the biggest draw for me is the Bat pole transition set up. Then it's the car and then it's the mini figures. And to be honest as much as I love the Car and Mini figures they don't exactly fit in with the more modern Batman sets I've already got.
So this is likely to be a display piece on a wall and I'm not sure I can justify that yet. Especially as I've got a Detective Office still to build at home and I want to get the Brick Bank set and there's Ghostbusters HQ looking at me and tempting me.
That Pole system is currently only in GBHQ and this set is that right?
Indeed. Many people are asking more than that for First Order troopers and they are hardly rare.
I, personally, only think the first part. That it's too expensive. I don't think it's poorly executed. The random wall of the manor is odd from the outside as it's just a wall with no entry, etc., but overall I really do like the set. I just don't like $270. It's $80 less than the GB HQ and about 2,000 pieces less. On the surface, $270 isn't too out of line for 2,500 pieces, that many minifigures, and the license. But GB HQ (a set I won't be buying) looks like a value in comparison.
I also look at Arkham Asylum, which was $160, and I would take that all day over this. Personal opinion is they should have gone one of two other ways with this. Knock 500 pieces off and sell it for $200. Or add 1,500 or so, give some substantial surrounding barriers or areas to the piece and just make it $350. No, I don't want another $350 set, but where it is now is some odd middle ground that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
All that said, people will buy it. People always do. So talk of boycotting...HA, good luck.
Agreed. If the price were lower, I think far, far fewer people would be hating on the set. For the price I think it's poorly executed, considering what $270 could get us in other sets. It's really in a weird price area; more than $200 as some bigger sets have been lately, but less than the $300+ other big sets have been. People would complain less about how it's built if the price were less. I don't think people generally hate it, they just can't like it at the price.
I am speculating that Batman and Joker will demand the highest prices ($20/ea) with Penguin and Dick Grayson being the least desirable ($10). The Batmobile alone is worth at least $50 and the Batcopter $20. The wallpaper bricks could be in demand and fetch $1 (x18). The rest is just dark tan cave material that isn't worth much. Realistically I see the figure and Batmobile going for more in the secondary market (i.e. Bundle Batman, Robin, and Batmobile for $100+).
no way. $80 max
I think there is the more realistic reaction of saying 'Ohh that is cool, but I'm not buying it if it is <insert local currency here>' I think at the price being quoted that even hardcore fans of Batman merchandise are going to balk at 269.99 USD, at least more than people are expecting. Unfortunately this also means that those parting it out are likely going to charge dearly for the figures and specifically the Batmobile (unless these things go on discount/sale a lot, which is unlikely in the US)
I think you are underestimating the prices for splitting it up. At 269.99 USD prices will be higher for pieces out of it, otherwise it is not worth it for people to break up the set IMO. Guessing Batmobile alone will be about 100 USD as it is likely the most desirable 'piece' in the set. Now maybe if this set is discounted in other countries, parts may be cheaper, but in the US prices will likely be higher than what people are really hoping for IMO
The one positive about sets like this is that there will be loads of people parting them out, which will mean an influx of very cheap parts onto bricklink - never a bad thing even if they aren't the most useful colour in the world.
I would also consider the pricing on TFA sets also a bit unusual. I expect that the second wave should be more modestly priced.
If course I WANT it... but a holiday to Florida to pay for is more important.
Especially if being licenced parts they are taken out of the B & P selection.
Those breaking up the set will want to make money back; not 'lose' it. I cannot see that occurring with figures at mostly 10, maybe a couple at 20 and a Batmobile for 50 USD. IMO the rest of the items in the set sure are not going to make up the difference, especially if there are those buying the set just for the figures and are flipping the other stuff to break even, or vice versa.
Sure people can BL it, but people assume that everyone just 'B-links' items. Many likely want the vehicle and do not want to take time to b-link it. I'm also guessing the batmobile has parts with either printed, or sticker-ed parts. Many B-linked items do typically go for less than their 'legit' counterpart. However, people still buy the real deal for dear, and still will overpay for a b-linked version for that matter (see batpod.. 'limited release' or not, I do not think the cost of the parts total 200-250 USD or people would likely not be making money selling these on eBay for that).
As for the apparent assumption that everyone can simply say 'Well if the batmobile will cost me 100USD and figures will cost 'x', I'll just buy the 269.99 USD set'. Well not everyone can say that. Last I checked, 270 USD is a lot of money, which I think is why people will be wanting just the Batmobile and still would likely pay more than 50 USD for it. Even 100 USD may be easier to justify to a spouse or significant other.
Maybe the Batmobile would need to come with Batman and Robin to be 100 USD, and without the figures be more around 75 USD but I still think it will be closer to 100 than 50. I guess we will find out when people start breaking up the set. (and no I will not be one of those trying to break up the set to make money)
I feel complicated about this. When I read the post on the front page I got really excited and was thinking, yes, I need to find a way to get this for my partner (huge Batman fan)! And then other people's comments dampened my ardour a bit by echoing little things I had noticed and shrugged off, mostly about the way it feels visually off-balance - not something I think TLG could've helped unless they'd made the mansion bigger and made the whole thing even more expensive, but it's not going to be one of those sets where you get the "oomph" factor of being able to put it on your coffee table and have visitors go, "Whoa! Nice Millennium Falcon/castle!"
I'm starting to come down on the side of the people who said they'd have preferred it as multiple sets - the Batmobile on its own is very appealing, for instance, or the office with the hidden Batpoles...
If the hubs are a 1x1 tile then everyone should get a spare. Guess the price could creep up but if that's the only part I can't see it being too bad. Also, they may well not count as licensed, one to keep an eye out for!
Unless they gave me a big Wayne manor and big bat cave that can be linked up like Jabas palace and the Rancor pit.
I I agree that I will wait until the mr. Freeze character is given away before I buy. Double points would be nice also.
So if you view it as a 'Nostalgic Playset' with amazing Mini-figures & awesome vehicles....
I have a feeling at the end of the day this set will sell very well. But thats my 2 cents, or $270, or whatever I'll be spending for at least one!
like how #60097 look to be made up of what could sell as 6 set's.
this is the same.
i just looked at a review of #76035 Jokerland for the 1st time.
looks good,
so i think if i was going to get any batman set it would be Jokerland
I plan on pulling out the Funhouse Escape and Penguin Face-off to add to it. But even then, I don't think the complete set-up does it for me. Realizing this style of hodge-podge mish-mashing of playsets is just not my thing. Especially considering its combined $173 RRP. I'd be much happier building a single Modular or UCS Slave-1/TIE/X-wing for about the same price.
Yeah, I'm not sure who keeps subscribing to that rule as with all of the 1x1 'whatevers' in many sets it makes no sense to me to talk about a set 'costing x per part' being a good value, not if the set is made up primarily of 1x1 bricks, plates, specialty plates and 1x2' brick.
another example is vladek's dark fortress, under 1000 pieces for 100€. decent price per piece. but this time pieces are huge, it's big like a 150-200€ set.
The Penguin (20)
The Joker (19)
Catwoman (16)
The Riddler (11)
King Tut (8)
Mr. Freeze (6)
Egghead (5)
Queen of Diamonds (5)
I watched the re-runs as a kid and mostly remember the main four, King Tut, and Egghead.
In my opinion, Batcopter, Batgadgets, Batcycle and Batcave should have been sacrificed to concentrate to build up a decently sized Wayne Manor with 4 walls, opening mechanism and a batmobile.
Or maybe then it would look more or less like the IDEAS piched set?
my greatest concern about this set...
as awesome as these playfeatures are. i would much more prefer if it was visually a bit more pleasing to my eyes. not calling it ugly. they sacrficed aestethical appearance for play features maybe a bit to much.
i was hoping for another "taj mahal" like set when first hearing about this! given that the spooky houses and arkham asylum are really good looking sets!
-8 16x16 plates
-1 8x16 plate
-2 8x16 tiles
-2 6x16 tiles with studs on the edge
-12 of the large system/technic columns
-4 4x10x6 BURPs
That's a LOT of large parts, which cost substantially more than smaller bricks and plates would. And it's quite different from sets like the Ghostbusters Firehouse, which mostly use a larger quantity of smaller bricks to achieve their massive scale. So it should be no surprise that this set has a less generous price-per-piece than many comparable sets.