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The Nolan Batman Trilogy is much heavier than any Marvel movie. (And markedly better than any Marvel movie.)
I happen to find it amusing that WW and Black Panther are regarded as groundbreaking, but neither are particularly good.
Of the DC films, only BvS and SS really stand out as problematic. BvS is lacking largely because it expected the viewer to be familiar with DC characters and lore, and the nature of DC's fractured multiverse. It was rapid firing all sorts of concepts and imagery that just confounded the average viewer, and added little to the film itself. That, and it completely failed to set up and resolve conflict between Bruce and Kal. The center of the film fell completely flat, and the "Martha" memes were well earned. The final fight with Doomsday was pure magic for me though. It was easily my favorite cinematic moment that year, seeing Superman and Wonder Woman on screen together. I don't begrudge the haters though, as it's a deeply flawed film.
Suicide Squad... I just have no excuse for. It was pretty bad from start to finish. Outside of seeing personal favorites Waller (who was perfect!) and Katana up on the big screen, there wasn't much to like here.
MoS, WW, and JL were all fine films though. Barring the aforementioned Cap films and the first two Avengers films, they're all leaps and bounds above than anything the MCU has thrown up on the screen.
With respect to character loyalty - you are 100% correct in that MCU characters reflect what fits into the movie narrative and not their source material. But I think that also highlights why the MCU is wildly successful and why the DCEU is in shambles.
And JL is unwatchable. There is no version of that debacle is watchable, makes any sense, or compels me to understand the motivation of the anatagonist and half of the protagonists. I really can't get past how much of a hack-job they did with Kal.
And that is too bad, because Cavill had a good Superman in him, if he had a better line across all those movies.
They got most of Kal correct. He's pretty close to parts of Captain America and Thor. Diana is pretty good as the other parts of Thor, Black Widow and Captain America.
Bruce is some version or Nick Fury and Tony Stark, but their usefulness is bumbled.
Cyborg does nothing for the story. At all.
Nobody could have saved these films - the core stroytelling was beyond repair. I'm kinda hoping when the Marvel juggernaut wanes, a servicable DCEU can rise from mediocrity. I don't need 15 Christopher Nolan films, I just want some coherent stories with fun characters.
Superman is way too dark and gritty,his whole thing is meant to be about always being good and inspiring confidence in people, a crisis of conscience is fine but it should be a blip in the story not the whole point of it.
Batman should be 100% against killing and in particular the use of guns to kill. Look at th body count in BvS, it’s insane. Also they obviously re-wrote Bruce Wayne to be more like Tony Stark in Justice League.
Wonder Woman is not too bad a representation of the character, although it will always vary a little based on which version of the character you’re used to. The Wonder Woman film suffers typical ott slow mo, if that was all played at normal speed the film would have much better pacing.
Aquaman they kinda set up the whole conflicted personality thing, but I think they were too conscious of trying to make him cool as he’s typically the butt of most comic book jokes.
The Flash could be a good telling of a young Barry Allen, but given that such a telling already exists with the Arrowverse version as well it’s hardly a great selling point.
Cyborg I don’t think they really had any great passion for, so he’s reduced to little more than a side kick.
Lex Luthor came across far more like the Joker than Lex.
The Joker was a mess of different ideas, which is basically the same for the whole Suicide Squad film, they were clearly trying to make Guardians of the Galaxy meets Deadpool and it did not work. Will Smith as Deadshot was about the only salvageable thing from that train wreck and only because they played to the side of the character that Will Smith is proven to be able to play, the parent fighting for their child.
I just want them to do Flashpoint to reset the cinematic universe, then they can cherry pick out the salvageable parts and start fresh (preferably without Snyder involved)
Although, they are real smart over there at Disney, so perhaps they could retcon some mutants in there. Or merge universes. But I fear a George Costanza 'worlds colliding' problem that would just ruin everything.
I don't want Independent George to cease to exist if Relationship George takes over....
Anyway, this is the DC thread. So, nevermind. I think Cavill was perfectly cast, but the Hollywoodness of conventional comic book movies really undermined the essence of the character. And he died.
And I totally agree with the point above about Batman also being out-of-character in callously pro-firearms approach. It baffles me why they didn't just stick with Bale's version of Batman. It doesn't matter who the actor is - just to a WWCBB do?
It's just a total disjointed mess.
Has LEGO produced a Fury figure? Is this a hint to Wonder Woman 2 sets ?
I freaking love that Batmobile! I'm a bit miffed that they stuck Catwoman in the ridiculous Batcave set though.
Yay Shazam! And another Commissioner Gordon is nice. I do like the thicker Batwing as well.
Batcave... Meh. Like other Batcaves, I'll grab it on a discount. It's pretty cluttered, and seems like a missed opportunity to give Robin medium legs. And I've got versions of all of those characters - they're just variants at this point. And that tank is not pretty.
Mr. Freeze.. It's ok. Definitely like the Mysterio helmet being used on Victor. At least this one won't make a big dent in the budget if you grab it.
I must say, I'm not a huge fan of the line. I really liked getting Firefly, but not really that excited after seeing the images. Maybe I'm just reaching my breaking point...where is Scarface and the Ventriloquist? We've seen them in Lego form in various media. Where is the bigfig Solomon Grundy, especially after the Lego DC Super Villains game? Where is Mad Hatter? I could go on...
Update: Maybe I just need the images to settle in a bit. I'll still probably get them all due to my obsess...hobby...but will be over the moon when I do finally see some new villains (new being villains not ever actually produced in a physical Lego form...)
Unless you really need those jumpsuits and/or wall parts?
i dont like to be super super negative so, at least some of the figs are great. That Jim Gordon is probably the best version of the character yet. Also is it just me or does that Mr Freeze have the same bubble head helmet as Mysterio in the Spider-Man Far From Home sets? I assumed it was moulded to the head on mysterio, but that makes it look like a separate piece.
I understand that Kids want the Joker, Riddler and Catwoman as main villians. But the DC villians catalogue is so vast I dont understand why they dont add more variety into the packs for adult fans. I feel like TLBM was as good as it was going to get for obscurer batman villians.
It's a trickle, for sure, but it's really no better nor worse than other Batman playline level collections.
The Court of Owls, and thus the Talons, appeared with the New 52 reboot, when Scott Snyder started scripting Batman (2011 if I recall correctly). Am I to assume that only "old people" read comics? Or that, despite their continuous appearance and reference since then, no younger people started reading comics?
If it hasn't been featured in animated programs or in movies, children (and their toy buying parents) are likely not familiar with it at all. Thus the constant retread of the classic screen villains, with little spatterings of popular comic book characters.
@klinton yes to be fair they do put some of the smaller villains in the odd smaller set. But I would like to see them add more variety to the lines rather than the big four Joker, Two Face, Riddler and Catwoman. Keep those in but partner them with other villains or more obscure heroes. It gives those villains a bit more exposure so means that they can be used in the comics to draw in new fans.
They had great storylines with the New 52 (Wonder Woman was a great example), I also thought that Superman and WW together (finally!) was a great decision, but they didn't have the balls to stick with it.
With Marvel, I'm much less forgiving. Even the most valiant attempts to make any sense of what is supposed to be a single universe ('Avengers Forever', or Hickman's Avengers stuff, for example) are just muddled, impenetrable rot. Marvel has been completely unreadable fan fic since the onset of the MCU.
I follow the Marvel Cinematic Universe, though. I like its cohesion, but I prefer the more socially-realistic take of the DCEU.
Super-hero fans, however, are worst, they hate change - not only in comics, but also in film. And similar to the New 52 backlash by older comic fans, new takes on established characters in movies like Batman or Superman (especially the latter) were wildly contested, even though the ridiculous battles of Superman II or the ludicrous reception of Superman by Earth (except Lex Luthor) make no sense in today's society (it didn't make much more sense back then, but still...). Marvel, however, was able to have a long term vision and Feige steering the wheel, while DC has WB's suits messing everything up at every single turn.
DC films, again, are much easier to take in stride. Everything and everything is equally valid (Lego Batman is canonical in the DC Multiverse, as is Superman Returns), as it exists on some other earth. The only issue I have with any DC film production was the inclusion of the Monitor in the Arrowverse crossover last December. You can literally change anything about any character in DC (one of my all time favorite Wonder Woman stories had Diana portrayed as an alien monster in a derelict space frieghter!), except for the Monitor. He is constant across all realities.