General Star Wars Discussion

playwell

Fancy dubbing Darth Vader, the horror!

KungFuKenny

SMC said:

Fancy dubbing Darth Vader, the horror!

“He told me you killed him…”

“No, I am your fazzaah…”

560Heliport

Wasn't there a rumor ( or maybe just wishful thinking) about a Snowtrooper battlepack? I'd think it would sell extremely well with all those UCS AT-ATs with seats to fill.

Astrobricks

KungFuKenny said:

@SumoLego
I always assumed that was done on purpose. In France he is actually known as Dark Vador (Including in all of the French dubbed versions of the films).  I think other characters have different names as well… (Sort of like calling the child “El Niño”)

Edit:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/amphtml/World/Europe/2015/1216/Darth-Vader-or-Dark-Vador-France-gives-Star-Wars-a-Gallic-twist

I still didn’t see any explanation of why they changed the names, especially for a random alpha-numeric like C-3PO.

Redbullgivesuwind

KungFuKenny said:

SMC said:

Fancy dubbing Darth Vader, the horror!

“He told me you killed him…”

“No, I am your fazzaah…”

I think we need an Inspector clusea dubbed Darth Vader 

‘Good moaning Princess Leia. There is a bomb in this phone’

CapnRex101

Astrobricks said:

KungFuKenny said:

@SumoLego
I always assumed that was done on purpose. In France he is actually known as Dark Vador (Including in all of the French dubbed versions of the films).  I think other characters have different names as well… (Sort of like calling the child “El Niño”)

Edit:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/amphtml/World/Europe/2015/1216/Darth-Vader-or-Dark-Vador-France-gives-Star-Wars-a-Gallic-twist

I still didn’t see any explanation of why they changed the names, especially for a random alpha-numeric like C-3PO.

I imagine C-3PO's name was changed for dubbing reasons, perhaps to match actors' mouth movements more closely whenever they say 'Threepio'.

• C-3PO would be pronounced as 'say-twuh-pay-oh'
• Z-6PO would be pronounced as 'zed-sees-pay-oh'

I think 'sees-pay-oh' would be closer than 'twuh-pay-oh' to matching 'Threepio' because the latter sound starts with a hard consonant. Z-6PO avoids that hard consonant.

Bumblepants

KungFuKenny said:

As a fun side activity you can check out this version of Darth Vader speaking with a French accent…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dJRjCM22r68

It always makes me envision Darth Vader sitting down to beef bourguignon (paired with a nice Pinot Noir) for dinner…

When I lived in France about ten years ago a fast food chain called Quick did a Star Wars promotion with a black bunned Dark Vador burger. Was it terrible? Definitely. Would I do it again? Definitely.

pvp3020

monkeyhanger said:

In ANH when Leia is being rescued, she asks Luke "aren't you  little short to be a storm trooper?". I took that to mean they were a standard height because they were clones, rather than a minimum height spec for conscripts. I suppose that if you fed, raised and exercised one clone differently to another, you'd get height variation.

This always confused me, even as a child. If stormtroopers are a standard height and Luke's too short, then the armour wouldn't fit him properly. But it looks fine on him; at least I've never noticed it being a particularly bad fit. The alternative is that the stormtrooper he took it from was non-standard height.

Is it unhealthy for these things to vex me?

560Heliport

pvp3020 said:

monkeyhanger said:

In ANH when Leia is being rescued, she asks Luke "aren't you  little short to be a storm trooper?". I took that to mean they were a standard height because they were clones, rather than a minimum height spec for conscripts. I suppose that if you fed, raised and exercised one clone differently to another, you'd get height variation.

This always confused me, even as a child. If stormtroopers are a standard height and Luke's too short, then the armour wouldn't fit him properly. But it looks fine on him; at least I've never noticed it being a particularly bad fit. The alternative is that the stormtrooper he took it from was non-standard height.

Is it unhealthy for these things to vex me?

Well, if it keeps you up at night, that would be unhealthy! How about... Luke was a little shorter than the average stormtrooper, so Leia was just trying to unsettle him, that being all she could do to resist at that moment.

SumoLego

He did look goofy in the suit.  But I also credit Hammil for understanding that Luke wouldn't move about like a Stormtrooper and the suit would be awkward for him - whether it fit or didn't.

I also presumed that Stormtroopers were of a similar size and body type to decrease the costs of producing the pieces.  Custom armor would be very cost-prohibitive.

Diamondback_Six

If you don't train in the gear you won't know how to move in and use it--for example I have most of the kit a US Marine straps on for combat, but stuff me into it and have me step out onto the range with a bunch of 0311's freshly back from combat and I'll stand out like a sore thumb. (And not just because of being short and soggy-midsection...)

EGRoberts

560Heliport said:

Wasn't there a rumor ( or maybe just wishful thinking) about a Snowtrooper battlepack? I'd think it would sell extremely well with all those UCS AT-ATs with seats to fill.

I am really hoping it is true.. Last november if you look at my posts you will see I purchased a couple of the AT-AT's and a bunch of white plates with grand plans of a new echo base moc. I hope the AT-ST set is true too.. Will be a grand assault on hoth (yes I own the set and 2 snowtroopers for years have been decimated by the overwhelming rebel forces lol). 

Lordmoral

My review of the Imperial Armored Marauder (75311); get it while you can 4/5. It fills the role an US Bradly tank fills: an assault vehicle with troop carrying capability but mainly designed for scouting and fire support now if you want me to compare the Imperial Troop Transport (ITT, seen in Rebels and Mandorian as well Jedi Fallen Order and so far unreleased in LEGO form) that will have to be the US Striker (a vehicle that  can fit a more modular role from ambulance to troop transport). 

Going back to the set itself you will notice that it has space to set all three Imperial Troopers in the cargo hold and the Mortar doesn't occupy any unneeded space as it can simply be placed on the lap of the Mortar Trooper. I was going to put that Storm Trooper  Sargent with inside but sadly there is only space for 3 inside, I guess the Sargent can go the entire ride on top but that leaves the NCO or the soldier you choose vulnerable the whole way:


I used a Tank Driver and a Gunner from my collection but I will have to buy those two over at BrickLink as they already have their positions assigned so good hunting:


Final veredict: a great combat support vehicle provided us by LEGO, with 4 minifigures it is a good value for money specially since much costlier sets tend to accommodate much less minifigures, just make sure to complement the vehicle with the two recommended soldiers I mentioned and Greef Karga is an amazing figure, but he was likely not the reason we are getting multiple of this set.
4/5   

560Heliport

I'll buying quite a few of the new #75320 Snowtrooper battle pack! (Anyone want to buy a kidney?)

JudgeChuck

Yes, there we have both being confirmed, Hoth AT-ST and Battlepack! I'll 100% be grabbing both of these! :-)))

playwell

Lego: "we weren't stopping battle packs, we were just leaving a nice gap so people didn't notice the 50% price increase as much and they will just be happy to see them return".

560Heliport

I predict that the #75320 Snowtrooper battle pack will be as hard to find, at least initially, as the #70841 Benny's Space Squad.

Lordmoral

Regardless if you bough the 2020 AT-AT or the 2021 UCS AT-AT (or both for some of you) those two sets are a great complement to the walker. They are a $70 combo but worth it.

playwell

^ It can't scale with both AT-AT's so will look wrong next to at least one of them.

gmonkey76

560Heliport said:

I'll buying quite a few of the new #75320 Snowtrooper battle pack! (Anyone want to buy a kidney?)

I'm in the same boat as you. Hopefully I can get the AT-AT online as I don't want to wake up at 4am to try and get it in stores.

560Heliport

I plan to be at Mall of America January 1st, waiting for the LEGO store to open. Hmm... how early?... should I bring a folding chair?

SumoLego

560Heliport said:

...should I bring a folding chair?...

I'd also bring something to sit on.  The folding chair should be effective crowd control.

autolycus

Happy Life Day, everyone!

Astrobricks

Isn’t every day Life Day?

jnscoelho

Astrobricks said:

Isn’t every day Life Day?

Maybe except the day we die?

Lordmoral

SMC said:

^ It can't scale with both AT-AT's so will look wrong next to at least one of them.

True, but you can use the 2020 walker as an optical illusion if you want.

SumoLego

jnscoelho said:

Maybe except the day we die?

I would say, since You Only Live Twice, try to Die Another Day, because this is No Time to Die...

SumoLego

Apparently, the affinity for explosions is not a LEGO thing, might be a Disney/LucasArts marketing department thing.


So many explosions.  Explosions. So... many.

MugenPower

SumoLego said:

Apparently, the affinity for explosions is not a LEGO thing, might be a Disney/LucasArts marketing department thing.

I'd say it started as a George Lucas thing when he decided to Michael Bay the original Death Star explosion for the Special Edition releases!

lowlead

I always liked the Nostromo explosion =oD

SumoLego

lowlead said:

I always liked the Nostromo explosion =oD

I don't wonder where the design for the Ghost came from...

And I'd still like to know how the Emperor's Quarters stayed in-tact despite exploding.  And crashing.  In an angry ocean.  But whatever, I digress.

Astrobricks

I like that Nostromo explosion for the way it strongly implies everything was vaporized. Nice and neat. So many sci-fi explosions ignore the insanely dangerous debris that they would generate.

And obviously, the emperor’s quarters were made of unobtainium. And probably the emperor too ;-)

SumoLego

Astrobricks said:

And obviously, the emperor’s quarters were made of unobtainium. And probably the emperor too ;-)

Plotconvienecium.  Derived from desparatium ore...

autolycus

I'm still wondering how Leia has memories of her mother if her mother died at birth and her adoptive parents did everything they could to keep her true identity a secret...

lowlead

SumoLego said:

Astrobricks said:

And obviously, the emperor’s quarters were made of unobtainium. And probably the emperor too ;-)

Plotconvienecium.  Derived from desparatium ore...

...and a regrettable lack of Arcimonium charged with covalent Directassium bonds.

560Heliport

autolycus said:

I'm still wondering how Leia has memories of her mother if her mother died at birth and her adoptive parents did everything they could to keep her true identity a secret...

Maybe she meant her adoptive mother? 

lowlead

^^ my guess is Force Stuff™

CapnRex101

autolycus said:

I'm still wondering how Leia has memories of her mother if her mother died at birth and her adoptive parents did everything they could to keep her true identity a secret...

Leia describes remembering images and feelings, rather than experiences, so I tend to think even she is unsure about whether she truly remembers her mother.

Personally, I have always liked the idea that Bail or Breha informed Leia of her mother's identity when she was very young and Leia had developed some nebulous 'memories' about Padmé. However these were actually an impression that she created from what she was told about Padmé's personality during the Clone Wars, which she describes to Luke.

I think that matches what we see during Revenge of the Sith and Star Wars: The Clone Wars, when Padmé can feel that the Republic is crumbling but there seems to be little political will to resolve it. Whenever they get close, something happens to deepen the war even further, usually with the influence of Palpatine!

Modern canon has not provided a full explanation, but suggested a combination of learning information about Padmé and feeling a Force connection between them.

playwell

^ This all makes perfect sense unless you have watched the recent trilogy and discovered that nothing really makes any sense and there is no canon!

autolycus

560Heliport said:

autolycus said:

I'm still wondering how Leia has memories of her mother if her mother died at birth and her adoptive parents did everything they could to keep her true identity a secret...

Maybe she meant her adoptive mother? 

According to official canon (Princess Leia 1 comic and From a Certain Point of View), Breha Organa died when Alderaan was destroyed by the Death Star. Leia would have plenty memories of her that weren't vague fuzzy memories.

This wasn't a recent Disney thing either. There were "legends" stories confirming the same, including even the ROTJ novelization.

CapnRex101

SMC said:

^ This all makes perfect sense unless you have watched the recent trilogy and discovered that nothing really makes any sense and there is no canon!

I think the same thing has happened with the new trilogy that happened with the previous one. Once there was a relatively cohesive canon, before the Prequel Trilogy created a number of holes which were then gradually resolved. Now there is a Sequel Trilogy which has introduced many more problems and I expect those will be gradually resolved too.

Unfortunately, I think resolving how Palpatine returned with more detail than 'somehow' presents more difficulty than rationalising why Leia has memories of her mother, or why R2-D2 repeatedly withholds useful information!

autolycus

CapnRex101 said:

SMC said:

^ This all makes perfect sense unless you have watched the recent trilogy and discovered that nothing really makes any sense and there is no canon!

I think the same thing has happened with the new trilogy that happened with the previous one. Once there was a relatively cohesive canon, before the Prequel Trilogy created a number of holes which were then gradually resolved. Now there is a Sequel Trilogy which has introduced many more problems and I expect those will be gradually resolved too.

Unfortunately, I think resolving how Palpatine returned with more detail than 'somehow' presents more difficulty than rationalising why Leia has memories of her mother, or why R2-D2 repeatedly withholds useful information!

I agree on this general point, for sure. There are "plot holes" even within the OT, but they are resolved easily enough through additional story-telling. The PT added more holes, and those have generally, although not fully, been resolved through TCW and other works. The ST adde some more, and I fully expect that we will eventually have many of those holes filled in reasonably well over time. Some will remain, just like some still remain with the OT and PT.

The biggest thing I keep in mind is that we're talking about an adventure serial full of space wizards and space combat that behaves like WW2 aerial combat. OF COURSE there are plot holes. Just let yourself enjoy the ride and don't take some of it as seriously as some "fans" do. (not singling out anyone on here with that "fans" comment. Y'all are quite tame compared to some out there.)

SumoLego

autolycus said:

...if her mother died at birth...

Implanted Force memories?  Although, then the only thing she ought to remember is that her mother 'lost the will to live'.  Whatever that means.  

And on this point, I think this is actually an OT problem, and not a PT-created problem.  How would Leia know who she was remembering if she didn't know her 'real' mother?  Unless the Organas told her she was adopted?  But then how would that make any sense?  Maybe I'm jumbling up when she knew what, but I think it was an oversight in the initial script.  Neither one of them should remember anything - that would defeat the purpose of becoming Force-aware and 'special' connection they have to each other.  

In terms of the movie, it's a nice bonding moment between the characters, so it's rather easy to overlook as a contradiction or an inconsistency.

Brainslugged

This is quite a timely conversation. I started reading my daughter a book last night called Hetty Feather. I've no idea where it came from and I hadn't heard of it before but it actually seems really sweet and nicely written (by comparison, I hated the couple of David Walliams books I had to get through).

Anyway, it's about a young girl who started off life in an orphanage, put there when she was a baby. Hetty spends a long time talking about her birth mother and how much she loved Hetty and how hard it was for her mother to give her child up. She even mentions how everyone says you can't remember things from when you're a baby, but that she can.

Obviously all these memories are just fantasies and a coping mechanism to help Hetty deal with her feelings of being unwanted/abandoned. It's also obvious that Leia's memories are simply due to Lucas not having planned every detail of every movie in advance. But if you really need a way to fix that plot hole, the scenario above seems to be a nice, simple and plausible way to do it.

But don't get me started with the sequel trilogy. That entire thing was just a slowly unravelling horror show and any subsequent attempts to fix all the gaping plot holes just make me cringe even more than the movies themselves.

The_Rancor

CapnRex101 said:

SMC said:

^ This all makes perfect sense unless you have watched the recent trilogy and discovered that nothing really makes any sense and there is no canon!

Unfortunately, I think resolving how Palpatine returned with more detail than 'somehow' presents more difficulty

Perhaps even more unfortunately, it might rest on the shoulders of any Star Wars properties that take place on the timeline in the decades before Ep IX - but particularly, it would seem, The Bad Batch. We’ll have to see what actually happens with where they take it though I guess. Any time anything that could be construed as directly relating to the Sequel Trilogy appears in our recent SW TV properties it really seems to trigger the ‘fans’. I’m personally willing to trust Filoni, Favreau and their team to come up with some good workarounds but it’s a rocky road ahead of them.

lowlead

Brainslugged said:

...But don't get me started with the sequel trilogy. That entire thing was just a slowly unravelling horror show and any subsequent attempts to fix all the gaping plot holes just make me cringe even more than the movies themselves....

Which is why I avoid that hot mess altogether.  Ep9 is the first SW film that I haven't seen in its entirety, just bits and pieces...fine with that.  Keep it.

autolycus

The_Rancor said:

CapnRex101 said:

SMC said:

^ This all makes perfect sense unless you have watched the recent trilogy and discovered that nothing really makes any sense and there is no canon!

Unfortunately, I think resolving how Palpatine returned with more detail than 'somehow' presents more difficulty

Perhaps even more unfortunately, it might rest on the shoulders of any Star Wars properties that take place on the timeline in the decades before Ep IX - but particularly, it would seem, The Bad Batch. We’ll have to see what actually happens with where they take it though I guess. Any time anything that could be construed as directly relating to the Sequel Trilogy appears in our recent SW TV properties it really seems to trigger the ‘fans’. I’m personally willing to trust Filoni, Favreau and their team to come up with some good workarounds but it’s a rocky road ahead of them.

Not just Bad Batch, but The Mandalorian also has that whole thing with clones and with wanting The Child in the hopes that he can provide some sort of special sauce for said clones.

Anybody upset about the return of Palpatine though should largely thank Dark Empire and not JJ for coming up with the idea of a cloned reborn Pappa Palps.

Fizyx

autolycus said:

Not just Bad Batch, but The Mandalorian also has that whole thing with clones and with wanting The Child in the hopes that he can provide some sort of special sauce for said clones.

Anybody upset about the return of Palpatine though should largely thank Dark Empire and not JJ for coming up with the idea of a cloned reborn Pappa Palps.

I'm glad you said that about the cloned Palpatine, because I am by FAR not a SW lore expert, and really don't even quality as a lore nerd, but I was like 98% sure that in the extended universe before Disney nuked it, it WAS canon that Palpatine had a number of clones scattered around the galaxy, and provisions to like, take one of them over with his consciousness or something if he was ever killed.  (Again, SW extended universe lore is NOT my strong point :P)  But I was seriously doubting myself because there was so much rage at Palpatine showing back up again in the last movie, when I was like 'yeah, duh, it's one of the clones he had all around.'  But since I am NOT a lore expert, and there was so much anger I was thinking I had made that up, lol.

Brainslugged

Fizyx said:
But since I am NOT a lore expert, and there was so much anger I was thinking I had made that up, lol.

Whether or not there might have been some explanation for it is kinda neither here nor there. All we were told was "somehow Palpatine has returned". Now shut your pie-holes and watch two more hours of shite we just pulled out our asses.

playwell

Brainslugged said:

But don't get me started with the sequel trilogy. That entire thing was just a slowly unravelling horror show

To be fair to the sequel trilogy, I thought it unravelled quite quickly into a horror show.