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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,851
    ^  Yup.  That just goes to show how the secondary market works.  

    (Although that doesn't do much for my NISB Galidor set...)
    DedgeckoVorpalRyu
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor MericaMember Posts: 3,950
    edited September 2015
    Just noticing how much #10199 has fallen in demand - $250 back in June to about $120 now.  I do still think it'll rise back up a bit, but likely never again to those lofty heights.  This is how the bubble will burst apparently...by Lego's own hand.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,851
    ^ Hooray!

    (Until I want to trade an old set for something exclusive, then that'll suck.)

    Time for a UCS Interceptor!

    On second thought, if I start a convincing rumor that the Cafe Corner is coming back, can grab one for $200.00?
    VorpalRyu
  • HokieJoe99HokieJoe99 Member Posts: 349
    What, you didn't see the thread confirming the re-release of Cafe Corner?  It's around here somewhere. 
    VorpalRyu
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,851
    edited September 2015
    What, you didn't see the thread confirming the re-release of Cafe Corner?  It's around here somewhere. 
    Yes... right...

    Let's see those eBay auctions drop!
    VorpalRyu
  • DoomTurtleDoomTurtle MichiganMember Posts: 1
    Grogall said:
    2nd version of Winter Village Toy Store (Nope)
    2nd Version of Holiday Train (Nope)
    2nd Version of the Workshop (Nope)

    I can only say it's sweet! :-P
    So is this guy ever going to come back and tell us what the big surprise was supposed to be?  I read all over that he is never wrong, yet he was clearly wrong about the Winter Village Toy Store.  And I sure hope he isn't referring to the free little train or gingerbread house freebies.  So does he ever come back after making these types of statements, or is he hoping we all just forget about it?
    VorpalRyu
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
    Grogall said:
    2nd version of Winter Village Toy Store (Nope)
    2nd Version of Holiday Train (Nope)
    2nd Version of the Workshop (Nope)

    I can only say it's sweet! :-P
    So is this guy ever going to come back and tell us what the big surprise was supposed to be?  I read all over that he is never wrong, yet he was clearly wrong about the Winter Village Toy Store.  And I sure hope he isn't referring to the free little train or gingerbread house freebies.  So does he ever come back after making these types of statements, or is he hoping we all just forget about it?
    maybe they suspected @Grogall  was the leak, planted false information with him about whatever it was that was supposed to be "sweet", then busted him when the info got out.  :-)
    dragonhawkVorpalRyu
  • thedingman5thedingman5 Great Lakes, USAMember Posts: 261
    ^ Could be something here...his last activity was August 17th, the day before the press release about Toy Store 2.0...just speculating (irresponsibly, I'm sure)!
  • khmellymelkhmellymel United KingdomMember Posts: 1,242
    I've been on the forum for awhile, he seems to come in with a prediction (all correct from what I can remember) and doesn't really come back until the next.  I think a 99% rate is pretty good too :)
  • thedingman5thedingman5 Great Lakes, USAMember Posts: 261
    With the reveal of the Gingerbread house as holiday set 2 (via thebrickfan) on the November Calendar, the full compliment of holiday sets are fully revealed!  http://www.thebrickfan.com/lego-november-2015-store-calendar-promos-and-events/
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
    Welcome back

    it is cool little set.  Wish a bigger version was developed as this years WV set
  • aldreddaldredd United KingdomMember Posts: 203
    Grogall said:
    Dang! The Gingerbread hause was actually the set I saw in January. For some reason I thought it was bigger and would be this years winter village set......... 
    Perhaps it was - perhaps they planned a gingerbread house, something in the design late on meant it was pulled, a quick re-work of the toy shop was done, and a smaller version of the gingerbread house was released?
    tamamahm
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,851
    aldredd said:
    Grogall said:
    Dang! The Gingerbread hause was actually the set I saw in January. For some reason I thought it was bigger and would be this years winter village set......... 
    Perhaps it was - perhaps they planned a gingerbread house, something in the design late on meant it was pulled, a quick re-work of the toy shop was done, and a smaller version of the gingerbread house was released?
    Unlikely - the lead time for these things and production time doesn't lend to a 'last minute' redesign... 
    VorpalRyu
  • FauchFauch FranceMember Posts: 2,443
    looks pretty big for a free set, like 200-300 pieces maybe?
  • aldreddaldredd United KingdomMember Posts: 203
    SumoLego said:
    aldredd said:
    Grogall said:
    Dang! The Gingerbread hause was actually the set I saw in January. For some reason I thought it was bigger and would be this years winter village set......... 
    Perhaps it was - perhaps they planned a gingerbread house, something in the design late on meant it was pulled, a quick re-work of the toy shop was done, and a smaller version of the gingerbread house was released?
    Unlikely - the lead time for these things and production time doesn't lend to a 'last minute' redesign... 
    Grogall mentioned seeing this in January - there's a large enough time window in there for it to have happened. Remember that if something like this did happen, things like production capacity etc would already have been booked out
  • AdeelZubairAdeelZubair London, UKMember Posts: 2,651
    I would prefer these type of promos that are large due to the absence of Minifigures.
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    aldredd said:

    Remember that if something like this did happen, things like production capacity etc would already have been booked out
    Various people have talked about production capacity being "booked". I don't, for one minute, believe that's quite how it works. Maybe for a month, but not much longer than that. TLG don't make a set. They make the parts, stockpile them, and then package the set from that stockpile. Something that's probably far too complicated for a mere mortal to manage efficiently.

    Somewhere, there's a computer that's constantly juggling production schedules. If there's a run on one set or something breaks down, then adjustments are made to cater for that, whether by manufacturing or by shifting inventory around the world.
    juggles7
  • JudgeChuckJudgeChuck UKMember Posts: 1,174
    I haven't got any of the Winter Village Sets, having just come out of my own "Dark Ages" late last year (I'm sure like many others, this was prompted by children growing up to an age that they can appreciate LEGO!), so this is great news, but I can sympathise with those who were looking forward to a new set. It is a real shame that LEGO couldn't do both.
    My dilemma is that I can't make up my mind whether to get the Winter Toy Shop or Santa's Workshop. I think that I prefer the Toy Shop, but think my daughters would prefer the Workshop.
    All other things aside, what's the general concensus on which is the "best" set?
  • mountebankmountebank Member Posts: 1,237
    It's a matter of personal preference. My preference is for the Toy Shop. However, the pattern up to now* is that Winter Village sets are available for 2 Christmases. So there's a fair chance that next year Santa's Workshop won't be available and the Toy Shop will be (unless it isn't).

    * but it's also clear TLG are shaking up and disrupting some "established" patterns
    juggles7
  • goshe7goshe7 Columbus, Ohio, USAMember Posts: 515
    ^ Historically, the Winter Village sets have been available at retailer for 2 holiday seasons.  This is the 2nd for Santa's Workshop, so likely your last chance.  Who knows what the "re-release" of the Toy Shop means, but I would venture you have a decent chance of either a discount after Christmas this year or it being available next year.

    For a mantle display, I prefer the Toy Shop.  You get a well-designed main building and a substantial tree.  The strongest assets of Santa's Workshop are the minifigs and reindeer.
    juggles7
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,647

    It is an interesting question as to which to get first. I would wager that Santa's Workshop is gone once the stocks run out, which Im guessing will be fairly quick. Toy shop is interesting as it is a redo. Does this mean it truly will follow the pattern of being out for about 2 holidays seasons then gone, or is this a one year and done one?
  • JudgeChuckJudgeChuck UKMember Posts: 1,174
    Those are interesting comments, thanks. I'll have to think about this and make my mind up quick! If they are available for 2 seasons, I don't want to be continually "one behind", as it were, so might just have to get both... Dilemmas, dilemmas... ;-)
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor MericaMember Posts: 3,950
    If there's any set that could stay on as a perennial, it'd be Santa's Workshop.  I wouldn't be surprised if that was available for many years.
    VorpalRyu
  • juggles7juggles7 United StatesMember Posts: 452
    If there's any set that could stay on as a perennial, it'd be Santa's Workshop.  I wouldn't be surprised if that was available for many years.
    What prompts you to say that? Its quality? Its popularity?
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
    juggles7 said:
    If there's any set that could stay on as a perennial, it'd be Santa's Workshop.  I wouldn't be surprised if that was available for many years.
    What prompts you to say that? Its quality? Its popularity?
    Timelessness 
    TheLoneTensorDedgeckoVorpalRyu
  • tamamahmtamamahm Member Posts: 1,961
    After the disappointment of the 'lack' of a new holiday set, I have to say we still had fun. Since we had the original Winter Village set, we did not need the revamp, instead We ended up with both Christmas vignettes, the gingerbread house and the train. That meant individual sets for most of our family to build. These were pretty fun little sets. I was impressed with the gingerbread house when I saw it in person at the store, and each of my kids had one of these they wanted to build. I built the outside holiday vignette. Our only downside is that as small sets, it left my 8 year old wanting to build more holiday sets. I have set him to the task of creating an additional vignette to add to expand the Santa scene. Hopefully next year they have a new holiday set, but at least this year we were still able to keep the holiday tradition alive with these smaller builds. 
    dougtskiki180703
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,851
    There were four small sets and a polybag...

    But we all want a substantial set with all of the cleverness and thoughtfulness that we expect from Lego.
    goshe7
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
    ^^ don't worry. I've heard an early rumor that next years WV set is some kind of Bakery. Sounds cool!
    tamamahmSumoLegogoshe7Bumblepantskiki180703TheLoneTensor
  • goshe7goshe7 Columbus, Ohio, USAMember Posts: 515
    Both Santa's Workshop and the Toy Shop are readily available at my LEGO store.  When I was there for Brick Friday, they were definitely not the sets flying off the shelves.  I'm curious if LEGO has produced sufficiently to meet demand, or if overall demand has been driven down by the re-release.

    For me, I have decided that I will be happy to pick up the 10249 the day after Christmas at some markdown to satisfy my "completionist".  If I miss it, I won't be upset.  That is definitely a change in attitude from previous years, where I would always buy one during a fall promo.
    77ncaachamps
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,851
    ^^ My sources tell me it's a post office.
    tamamahmVorpalRyukiki180703
  • PaperballparkPaperballpark UK / KLMember Posts: 3,617
    I've heard it's going to be a Toy Shop!
  • ShibShib UKMember Posts: 5,302
    SumoLego said:
    ^^ My sources tell me it's a post office.
    Come on @SumoLego , It's obviously going to be a Winter Village Sausage Factory.
    Lego_StarCaptain_Eyebrowkiki180703Penkid11bandit778Pitfall69SumoLegoRainstorm26
  • 3stackshs3stackshs Member Posts: 299
    Shib said:
    SumoLego said:
    ^^ My sources tell me it's a post office.
    Come on @SumoLego , It's obviously going to be a Winter Village Sausage Factory.
    Your confusing that with your winter party at your house
    Lego_Nerd98Penkid11Pitfall69SumoLego
  • Lego_Nerd98Lego_Nerd98 Fort Worth, Texas, USAMember Posts: 235
    dougts said:
    ^^ don't worry. I've heard an early rumor that next years WV set is some kind of Bakery. Sounds cool!
    If that's true, than Lego is just remaking all of them. They already made a toy shop, and now made a new one. They already made a bakery...and I guess they're making a new one...?
    dougtskiki180703
  • Lego_Nerd98Lego_Nerd98 Fort Worth, Texas, USAMember Posts: 235
    ToddMyers said:
    Someone needs a tune-up for their sarcasm detector.
    huh....wonder who that could be <_<
  • chuxtoyboxchuxtoybox Member Posts: 711
    ToddMyers said:
    dougts said:
    ^^ don't worry. I've heard an early rumor that next years WV set is some kind of Bakery. Sounds cool!
    If that's true, than Lego is just remaking all of them. They already made a toy shop, and now made a new one. They already made a bakery...and I guess they're making a new one...?
    Someone needs a tune-up for their sarcasm detector.
    Was that sarcasm?
  • Lego_Nerd98Lego_Nerd98 Fort Worth, Texas, USAMember Posts: 235
    ToddMyers said:
    Someone needs a tune-up for their sarcasm detector.
    Was that sarcasm?

    I guess so....idk :/

  • ToddMyersToddMyers Cincinnati, OHMember Posts: 403
    ToddMyers said:
    dougts said:
    ^^ don't worry. I've heard an early rumor that next years WV set is some kind of Bakery. Sounds cool!
    If that's true, than Lego is just remaking all of them. They already made a toy shop, and now made a new one. They already made a bakery...and I guess they're making a new one...?
    Someone needs a tune-up for their sarcasm detector.
    Was that sarcasm?

    My bet is yes. Perhaps @dougts can chime in and provide a clue.
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
     Yes it was sarcasm. I have no sources and have heard no rumors 
    kiki180703pharmjod
  • AustinPowersAustinPowers GermanyMember Posts: 278
    edited December 2015
    Gooker1 said:
    Gooker1 said:
    This is how awesome the new Winter Toy Shop is!!:  
    2015 Set - $79.99 for 898 pieces
    2011 Set - $59.99 for 815 pieces

    That's $20 more for 83 more pieces.  That's a steal guys!!!!!
    Brickflation, bro!
    Booo to Brickflation!!! :)

    And as someone mentioned earlier that only resellers are the ones that are upset that this set got a rehash couldn't be more wrong.

    What about those who bought the Toy Store in the secondary market b/c they missed out and wanted a complete collection. They paid upwards for $250-$300 for a set that was gonna be re-released.  I'd be pretty ticked if I just bought this set last year on ePay to then find out if I waited a year, I'd have a nearly identical set for retail.

    Plus like @Pitfall69 said, those who like the exclusivity of it even if they started from the beginning would be upset too.

    If you make a Toy Store, make it a NEW one...not the same one w/ little add ons.  I just looked at an old review of 10199 and it's a spitting image.  

    Sad for collectors, people who overpaid after missing out on the first one and for resellers. :)

    Well, what can I say. I personally am VERY happy that Lego did this. For almost exactly the reasons you don't like:

    Hit on resellers: yeah for that. Go Lego! I hope this new version of the Toy Store sells incredibly well and Lego takes this as a hint that it would be a great idea to rerelease updated versions of popular models like Haunted House, Town Hall, Grand Carousel, Taj Mahal, UCS Millenium Falcon etc. Basically all those sets that resellers use to extort completely unreasonable amounts of money from those poor folks who missed the chance to buy a model at RRP the first time round - no matter for what reason.

    Which leads me directly to the next point: why people throw these ridiculous sums at resellers (just to satisfy the need to complete a collection? Honestly?) is beyond me. So, no, I have absolutely no sympathy for these people you mentioned who might be ticked because they just bought the original on ebay completely overpriced. On the contrary, serves them right I say! No one forced them to throw their money away!

    For it is those buyers with no sense for value for money after all who make it possible for resellers to charge these ridiculous prices in the first place. If people acted sensibly and just didn't buy from resellers for extortionate prices, the resellers would have to lower their prices to reasonable levels, or give up reselling completely.

    I wouldn't even mind that scenario, because as much as I love 10228 for example (which I missed when it was available in stores originally) and I would love to get one now, I just don't see any reason to pay more than twice RRP even for a used set, just because resellers keep upping the price all the time (even though in this case, which I am monitoring a little, none of those 400+ Euro offers sell any models thankfully). 

    The only notion I do support is that Lego should have re-released the Toy Shop IN ADDITION to releasing a completely new 2015 WV set for all collectors of the WV series - who are understandably disappointed. That is the only fail I can see in this case.

    P.S.: I know there are a lot of resellers on this forum and those will certainly detest what I said. But try to understand my reasoning also.

    After all, Lego is a toy, plastic bricks for kids (and adults) to play with (even the name Lego means "play well" for crying out loud), not something to be hoarded and later resold for trying to make the big buck. I really, really hate those people who abuse a toy like that. (Same goes for any kind of toy, be it model trains, action figures or anything else that some egoistic adults seem to need to get their "thrill" collecting). Where has common sense gone, people?
    tecjamJudgeChuckwardmJern92TwoToneBricks
  • tecjamtecjam Germany / SwitzerlandMember Posts: 255
    @AustinPowers Well said!
  • AustinPowersAustinPowers GermanyMember Posts: 278
    Thank you. At least I am not completely alone with my reasoning. Two is company ;-)
  • xiahnaxiahna Member Posts: 156
    You're defiantly not alone hun! I completely agree.
    VorpalRyu
  • PaperballparkPaperballpark UK / KLMember Posts: 3,617
    Can't say I disagree. There's always people willing to make money out of those with no common sense though ;)
  • ToddMyersToddMyers Cincinnati, OHMember Posts: 403
    Couldn't diasgree more, @AustinPowers -- In my opinion, your view is very naive and completely ignores established market forces.  You can rail against the secondary market all you want, but the fact remains that, for now, LEGO sets are a collectible toy and collectors are going to spend their money on what they want to collect.  I'm sorry that you don't want to play along -- that is, of course, your prerogative -- but to wail and gnash your teeth over those who want to participate in the hobby of collecting LEGO sets is like yelling at clouds, and actually sounds a lot like sour grapes.  It seems like you want all of those other pesky collectors to go away so that you can finish off your collection at MSRP, but the secondary market simply does not work that way.  Just because you don't want to pay double MSRP and consider that amount "outrageous" has no bearing on the subjective view of other collectors.  Your "outrageous" price may be a steal for serious collectors.

    On the other hand, LEGO has started down the path of being unfriendly to resellers and the secondary market, so maybe they agree with you.  I'd love to see what happens to their profits if their secondary target audience -- adult collectors -- takes a hike.  I would imagine it not a huge percentage of their retail sales (maybe 10 to 20% ? -- I don't think that they have ever released that data), but the thing about those pesky AFOLs is that they are also parents of kids who like LEGO, and if a company does something that angers me or makes me feel personally marginalized, you can bet that I'm not going to spend my money there for my kids.  So.... I wonder if they have considered the possible ramifications to their core market audience if they continue to anger their secondary market audience?

    Personally, it's all bunk to me anyway -- you'll be happy to know that there is one less collector out there paying those "outrageous" secondary market prices.  I've thrown in the towel and will be buying no more sets (secondary or otherwise).  Maybe you'll get that UCS Falcon for MSRP after all.
    Lego_Nerd98dougtsBrickDancermadforLEGOkiki180703SumoLegotomahawker
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,405

    So, how many have purchased the "new" Toy Shop? 
  • tecjamtecjam Germany / SwitzerlandMember Posts: 255
    I did, but I didn't have the old one, so I was not one of the ones complaining about the re-release. =)
  • khmellymelkhmellymel United KingdomMember Posts: 1,242
    I will, but next year.  I'm a year behind, I bought Santa's Workshop this year :)
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