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any idea what the 2015 winter village set is?

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  • AustinPowersAustinPowers GermanyMember Posts: 278
    edited December 2015
    Sethro3 said:
    I think if anyone is upset at Austin Powers, it should only be because I haven't seen an Austin Powers MOC...the world needs one. It just does.

    As far as buying and returning later, how is it abusing the system? They bought a product and returned it within the store's policy time period. Intentions can vary wildly.
    One of my MOCs? As soon as I get around to taking some pictures, I'll gladly post some. Mind you, many of them have just recently been dismantled and sorted into my new Jangbricks-like storage boxes for the first time - after I finally had the chance to input them into LDD (which is harder than one might think, as many of the older pieces, especially wheels/axles, windowframes etc. just aren't available in the LDD inventory, at least I couldn't find them).

    Most MOCs that are left are my early Star Trek projects (Enterprise D bridge, USS Reliant, USS Saratoga, USS Excelsior, Nebula class (regular version and Utopia Planitia "under construction" version), Sovereign class main hull and neck - didn't get around to working out a satisfactory solution for the nacelle struts and secondary hull).

    And for any non German user here some fact about our store "returns" policy: basically you are allowed to return unopened goods for about one to two weeks, depending on the store. Goods that are faulty can be returned during the guarantee period, but Lego rarely firs that category, as missing pieces are not sufficient grounds for calling a set faulty. Plus, often you don't get your money back but rather a voucher for your next purchase. Depends on how leniant/generous the retailer is.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,673

    ...........Parents shouldn't even need to buy from resellers. Funny anyway, some modulars like PS, PC or PR which are all still available at RRP from Lego [email protected], are sold via ebay for up to 50% above RRP. That is not even stuff that isn't around any more. How stupid does one have to be to buy these sets from the "secondary market" above retail when you can easily get them at RRP at the same time from Lego themselves???

    Or would you buy a new car from a used car salesman at above retail price even if you could get the same model from the offical dealership at RRP (or even less, if they offer discounts, much like Lego sometimes does)?

    IMO Trying to sell a mod for 50% over RRP and someone actually paying for one at that price are two different things. I can try to sell a Pet Shop for 250 USD. I doubt anyone will buy it for that and if they do, then they do. If you have an issue with what people are willing to pay that is something you need to come to terms with.

    As for EOL LEGO sets, supply and demand dictates the pricing, not resellers, period. Once a desirable set has stopped being made by LEGO, the demand will go up and people will pay more, resellers or not.

    Finally I think you are at the wrong forum if you are calling people 'stupid' for using their money in a way you do not approve of. IMO It is also misguided and insulting.

  • Lego_Nerd98Lego_Nerd98 Fort Worth, Texas, USAMember Posts: 235
    Concerning CMF. True, those are collectables, at least they are even designated as such by Lego themselves. No question about that.

    But why should modulars for example be considered as "collectables" more so than any city set? Because they have more parts? Because they are targeted at age 16+? Because they look nice?

    Modulars in particular have great play value, even for kids of ten years or younger. Believe me, I know what I am talking about from experience with my own kids.
    I don't see any reason to call them collectable.

    Architecture sets, ok, these have basically no play value, bad value for money brick-wise even at RRP and are therefor clearly aimed at affluent adult collectors mainly.

    But modulars? The are not cheap, sure, but in terms of price per part they are real bargains even at RRP. Plus, as I said they have great play value, and are immensely fun to build. Both of which seems more important to kids than collectors. Hell, even stuff like Tower Bridge is great for kids. I built mine together with our seven-year-old daughter, and she loved every minute of it - even putting on all those cheese-slopes  ;-)

    So as to the notion that people are willing to pay a lot for the older modulars that are no longer available. Perhaps these are indeed the collectors, because no sane parent would (could?) spend such amounts of money on stuff they would want to play with. Shame really.
    First of all, modulars have a lot of unusual parts in unusual colors. Second, they are higher priced, so Lego does not produce as many of them (because not many people have the funds to purchase them) as they would a $50 city set (hypothetically). Third, there are very few series that feature sets that go so well together as Modulars do. Their incredible compatibility in multiple ways is reason enough to collect many of them. Fourth, they are fantastic for display, and do not display well independently (so collectors purchase multiple).

    And, just because the Modulars might be "collectible" doesn't mean they aren't targeted at younger builders, such as your kids. Kids can be collectors too, you know; especially if those sane parents ^ have deep pockets.
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    AustinPowers said:

    And as for Lego and their need for a secondary market. Why should they be interested in the secondary market at all? They don't sell in the secondary market.
    Because it's their brand. When there are press reports about  the value of sets on the secondary market, for good or bad, it affects public perception of the brand.
    AustinPowers said:

    How stupid does one have to be to buy these sets from the "secondary market" above retail when you can easily get them at RRP at the same time from Lego themselves???
    Some people are unaware that they sell online. Some live in countries where that's irrelevant anyway. And, particularly at this time of year, a set may simply not be available in the required time-frame.
    AustinPowers said:

    Who says I am paying RRP for the Lego I buy?
    Nobody. If, as you're suggesting, you get everything, or even anything, at a 10-25% discount, you are still paying ridiculous prices for a pile of plastic. That's the nature of the game.
    AustinPowers said:

    I live in Germany after all, a country of bargain hunters if ever you saw some. Our grocery prices for example are some of the lowest in the world, and toys are also often available for bargain basement prices.

    For the record, I have only three modulars - the latest (PC, PR and DO). And I got every one of them for between 10 and 25% discount.
    That's absolutely amazing. Not! A lot of people wouldn't buy a modular without that level of discount. When you manage to get them at half price, then come back and sing about it and we might start getting interested. FWIW, I've got all the modulars - the first two I bought at almost full price; everything else had at least 20% discount, and without trying. Others will have done better. And no, I don't live in Germany.
    AustinPowers said:

    But why should modulars for example be considered as "collectables" more so than any city set? Because they have more parts? Because they are targeted at age 16+? Because they look nice?
    Because there are part of series with a limited number of releases. Like Winter Village. Like Ideas. But more particular they are considered collectable because simply choose to consider them that way. You don't? Sorry, but you lose. Some people collect them which, by definition, makes them collectable. Also, the concept may seem alien to you, but even those that don't collect them generally have sufficient respect for those that do not to consider questioning it.
    AustinPowers said:

    And for any non German user here some fact about our store "returns" policy: basically you are allowed to return unopened goods for about one to two weeks, depending on the store. Goods that are faulty can be returned during the guarantee period, but Lego rarely firs that category, as missing pieces are not sufficient grounds for calling a set faulty. Plus, often you don't get your money back but rather a voucher for your next purchase. Depends on how leniant/generous the retailer is.
    Oh dear! How 20th century! Mid-20th century.
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  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,405
    I definitely need more popcorn ;)
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  • tamamahmtamamahm Member Posts: 1,961
    ^ Reminds me... I am out of popcorn. I need to buy some more. 
  • AustinPowersAustinPowers GermanyMember Posts: 278
    MattsWhat said:
    My point exactly: Lego is for being played with, not collecting. If you want stuff to collect, try stamps, coins, beer towels or other pointless stuff. 
    I wasn't going to get involved in this at all as it's a pointless and petty argument, but this statement is just rude. People can collect whatever they want and define fun as whatever they want.  And coming on a forum aimed specifically at a group of people who enjoy that exact thing (and maybe a few who enjoy lego in a different way apparently) and telling them they are wrong makes you look like an asshat.
    Thankfully, being a non-native speaker of English I don't know what an asshat is, but it doesn't sound nice. And certainly more rude than what I said. In any case I didn't call anybody names, contrary to some others in this forum apparently. Like one being called an "idiot" specifically, and for no good reason either.

    As for telling others what to do. Of course I am not the grandmaster of what and how to do with Lego, but I feel very strongly about this subject, hence my possibly rude sounding comments. At least they were not intended to insult anyone, just get my views across. Again: I am not a native speaker of English and as such am sometimes at a loss for the correct words/expressions to use. Pardon me for that.

    Chubbles said that if he had the means to pay the inflated prices I mentioned and didn't care, it should also not be my business or at least not for me to complain about (at least that is how I understood his comment).

    But that is exactly what makes me so mad: that there seem to be a minority of people with too much money on their hands who keep this collector price madness going, while the (I am just sure about this) vast majority of parents on a budget, who would still like to get some of these sets for their kids or themselves at prices which are at least within reasonable limits can't do so thanks to the "elite" buyer who can afford to waste whatever money he wants (and those people of course wouldn't call that "waste" because to them paying prices that amount to - sometimes - up to and above 1 Dollar per piece (!) still seems like a bargain. That is just so plain wrong and of course could lead to a general argument about the current disease in all societies worldwide where the gap between the small minority of the "filthy-rich" and the rest keeps widening all the time and at an ever more worrying rate. Even in a so-called "rich" country like Germany I can experience that every day. But that is taking this too far off-topic certainly. It is just one of the reasons why I feel so strongly about this - and I am not even one of either ends of the wealth spectrum, but right in the middle like so many others who are affected by this.

    So @Chubbles: of course it's all relative, but in this case a small minority is responsible for destroying fair market conditions for the rest. Which in the case of Lego seems even more extreme than say model trains, stamps or coins for example, because there the market forces seem much more balanced. And as for fine arts, where "ridiculous" prices are often the norm nowadays, that market can't really be compared anyway, as at least imho a Rembrandt for example is still not comparable to a Grand Carousel or Green Grocer ;-)
  • AustinPowersAustinPowers GermanyMember Posts: 278
    IMO Trying to sell a mod for 50% over RRP and someone actually paying for one at that price are two different things. I can try to sell a Pet Shop for 250 USD. I doubt anyone will buy it for that and if they do, then they do.
    Believe me they do. As I said, I have these auctions on watch out of curiosity, and there are people paying those prices. And that is all year round. The fact that I started to post on this forum during pre-Christmas season was just a coincidence. I have been a Brickset forum non-registered casual reader for much longer.
  • MattsWhatMattsWhat Studley, UKMember Posts: 1,643
    ^asshat is a in joke from another thread  - I think it was about collecting so you probably missed it.

    And as for 'a small minority destroying fair market conditions', what a load of poop.  Just not being rich enough isn't a reason to moan at people that are.  And we could equally blame the people that bought at retail and aren't selling theirs, how dare they not flood the market to keep the price down so I can buy it! Oh, and we could blame the internet, how dare people be able to sell to anyone in their country easily, thus inflating the competition and price of a set.  And we should totally blame Lego, how dare they wish to use their storage and machines to produce new sets when someone on the planet doesn't own the last one.
    Argh, why do I let myself get dragged into these debates - I know what the internet is like and I still fall for it.

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  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    MattsWhat said:

    And as for 'a small minority destroying fair market conditions', what a load of poop.  Just not being rich enough isn't a reason to moan at people that are.  And we could equally blame the people that bought at retail and aren't selling theirs, how dare they not flood the market to keep the price down so I can buy it! Oh, and we could blame the internet, how dare people be able to sell to anyone in their country easily, thus inflating the competition and price of a set.  And we should totally blame Lego, how dare they wish to use their storage and machines to produce new sets when someone on the planet doesn't own the last one.
    Argh, why do I let myself get dragged into these debates - I know what the internet is like and I still fall for it.
    I suspect the real source of all this is that life has changed.

    There's always been a second-hand market. Then came relatively small-scale reselling by people who were really running a business - just using eBay or BrickLink as their shop window. Then every Tom, Dick or Harry wanted to jump on the bandwagon and things started to go crazy.

    If it had always been the case that a five-year-old set was five times list price then it would just be like many other fields and we'd just shrug. The point is that's not how things used to be, and that's what irk us.

    When was the last time anybody walked into a toy shop and bought a set that had been discontinued for a couple of years? It wasn't particularly uncommon, whereas it's now unlikely that something like that stays on the shelf for very long.
  • AustinPowersAustinPowers GermanyMember Posts: 278
    edited December 2015
    TigerMoth, I completely agree. And perhaps I just have a hard time accepting these changes because they make me really angry.
    There are loads of changes all the time that don't bother me at all. Take Facebook. I know it is there, I know it wasn't around when I probably would have been interested in something like it, so now I just don't care. I know many people love it, quite a lot of others loathe it. But it is here to stay, so why the bother argueing about it. I simply don't partake in it.

    That Lego reselling madness as you said has just become crazy in recent years.
    I sometimes joke with my colleagues that they should invest their money not in equities, gold or whatever, but in rare Lego sets, as they now seem to be better as an investment than as a toy which they are. One colleague came into the office yesterday and told me about the SW advent calender he had bought for his son. I told him jokingly that he should have bought two, kept one unopened and sold it in future for some crazy amount. He said, and I quote "what an idiotic idea", and we laughed about it.

    Today I received our 10247 Ferris Wheel. Should I stuff it in the closet, hoping to sell it at double or triple RRP in a couple of years? Probably.
    But you know what I am going to do? As soon as our older daughter is home from school, we are going to break open the box, empty the bricks on the carpet of her room, and start having fun building the thing. And when it is finished, it will become the main attraction of her Friends fun park she built out of the pieces of several of her Friends sets.
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  • wagnerml2wagnerml2 Belleville, IllinoisMember Posts: 1,376
    Lego's brand has changed.  15 years ago, when Lego was emerging from it's own dark age, sets sat forever.  Sets used to sit around ALOT longer, mostly because they were bad sets.  The Mid-90's had some REAL klunkers.  I can remember 10 years ago TRU practically giving away first series Batman sets that collectors today would kill for.  Times change.  People should adapt accordingly.  This thread has spun way off its axis.
  • ToddMyersToddMyers Cincinnati, OHMember Posts: 403
    edited December 2015

    My point exactly: Lego is for being played with, not collecting.
    Says who?  You?  Why should your opinion on the worth (or lack thereof) of collecting something sway my opinion? 

    Honestly, now it just looks like you're trolling.   If you're really not trolling, you would be better off banging your head against the nearest brick wall, because I hate to break it to you, but adult LEGO collectors are not going to go away any time soon, no matter how much you may despise them or sneer at them for their hobby.

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  • tecjamtecjam Germany / SwitzerlandMember Posts: 255
    lol, who's trying to sway anyones opinion? Did you even read on, Todd? I thought this was a discussion.

    I would say it sounds more like you are the one trolling?
  • Lego_Nerd98Lego_Nerd98 Fort Worth, Texas, USAMember Posts: 235
    @AustinPowers I do agree with you on that ^. As Lego has developed into the incredibly popular toy empire it is now, it has become more collector friendly in producing larger sets are not meant to be played with, and seems less focused on only children as it used to. In a way, this contradicts Lego's constitution of play and fun; but in an economically competitive world, Lego has been forced to expand its range to not just children but to adults as well. And in order to cater to the wants of adults, Lego has produced collectible sets that are meant for adults, who happen to collect Lego sets more than they play with them. It is sad that not all Lego sets can be easily played with, but I am not at all opposed to the sets or to the collecting industry they contribute to.

    Just think, in today's economy, if Lego did not make as many collectible sets as it did, where would the company be? It would be with a lot less income from collectors. I think we should be grateful for the collectors who are willing to pay for these sets and help Lego keep its factories running.

    I'm sure Lego has not lost sight of the true purpose of the toy it is, and is trying as hard as it can to maintain the playful aspects of the system. I don't think it has completely converted to solely a collector's product....yet.....but is still focused on children and making toys that children all over the world enjoy.
  • ToddMyersToddMyers Cincinnati, OHMember Posts: 403
    tecjam said:
    lol, who's trying to sway anyones opinion? Did you even read on, Todd? I thought this was a discussion.

    I would say it sounds more like you are the one trolling?
    Wait, so he's not trying to sway opinions on the subject?  My bad -- I had thought that his condescending attitude towards collectors was meant to shame folks into not collecting what, in his opinion, is just a toy, not something to be collected.  I guess that, according you you, he's just been shooting off his stream of conscious ramblings about playing and collecting just for the hell of it.  Gotcha.


  • ToddMyersToddMyers Cincinnati, OHMember Posts: 403
    wagnerml2 said:
    This thread has spun way off its axis.
    Agreed, so I'm going to stop commenting on this subject in this thread.  Perhaps a new thread should be created to continue the discussion?

    Or not.
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  • Lego_Nerd98Lego_Nerd98 Fort Worth, Texas, USAMember Posts: 235
    edited December 2015
    Can an admin please move all of the comments since @AustinPowers comment on Dec. 1 to a new thread? This has nothing to do with the Winter Village anymore. Let's call it: The Great Collecting Debate (2015 Edition) @Huw @drdavewatford :D
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  • tecjamtecjam Germany / SwitzerlandMember Posts: 255
    edited December 2015
    I would say he is expressing his opinion together with more than enough of an explanation as to why he thinks that way.

    That to me is not trolling.

    So according to you he is not allowed to express his thoughts on the matter?

    And I didn't think me meant collectors who actually build and enjoy lego sets - even if only to display, but i thought he meant people that fill their spare rooms with sealed sets.

    Had you maybe read on before shooting off to the first comment that irritated you, that may have become clear.
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    wagnerml2 said:

    Sets used to sit around ALOT longer, mostly because they were bad sets.  The Mid-90's had some REAL klunkers.
    Sets sat around whether they we good or bad. There simply wasn't the same awareness of what was and was not current. #8466 is desirable if you're into Technic, and currently sells for maybe five times list price. It ought to have kid-appeal too. I found one (at half price too!) five years after it had been retired simply because the box art made it look old-fashioned. It wouldn't last ten minutes today. It was alongside a #8439, which also wouldn't last ten minutes.
    Lego_Nerd98 said:

    Just think, in today's economy, if Lego did not make as many collectible sets as it did, where would the company be? It would be with a lot less income from collectors. I think we should be grateful for the collectors who are willing to pay for these sets and help Lego keep its factories running.
    TLG would be in the same place as it is now. AFOLs don't keep the company afloat.
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    Can an admin please move all of the comments since @AustinPowers comment on Dec. 1 to a new thread? This has nothing to do with the Winter Village anymore. Let's call it: The Great Collecting Debate (2015 Edition) @Huw @drdavewatford :D
    There's hardly any point, is there?

    This thread is dead. The question has been answered. Anything additional is now off-topic. It's not as if you're trying to get it back on-topic.
  • Lego_Nerd98Lego_Nerd98 Fort Worth, Texas, USAMember Posts: 235
    TigerMoth said:
    TLG would be in the same place as it is now. AFOLs don't keep the company afloat.
    We sure do contribute though! Why else would Lego make collectible sets if they weren't targeted at adult audiences too, and weren't meant to make a profit for the company?
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    TigerMoth said:
    TLG would be in the same place as it is now. AFOLs don't keep the company afloat.
    We sure do contribute though! Why else would Lego make collectible sets if they weren't targeted at adult audiences too, and weren't meant to make a profit for the company?
    Because they cover as many bases as they can. They make money out of AFOLs, but it's not life-and-death.
  • Lego_Nerd98Lego_Nerd98 Fort Worth, Texas, USAMember Posts: 235
    TigerMoth said:
    TigerMoth said:
    TLG would be in the same place as it is now. AFOLs don't keep the company afloat.
    We sure do contribute though! Why else would Lego make collectible sets if they weren't targeted at adult audiences too, and weren't meant to make a profit for the company?
    Because they cover as many bases as they can. They make money out of AFOLs, but it's not life-and-death.
    Yep, but I did say they help Lego keep its factories running. And I did say that Lego would have a lot less income without AFOLs. Neither of those statements are wrong, are they?
  • ToddMyersToddMyers Cincinnati, OHMember Posts: 403
    edited December 2015
    tecjam said:
    I would say he is expressing his opinion together with more than enough of an explanation as to why he thinks that way.

    That to me is not trolling.

    So according to you he is not allowed to express his thoughts on the matter?

    Incorrect.
    And I didn't think me meant collectors who actually build and enjoy lego sets - even if only to display, but i thought he meant people that fill their spare rooms with sealed sets.

    Had you maybe read on before shooting off to the first comment that irritated you, that may have become clear.

    Had you read up to where this this conversation started, you would see that I have been active in this discussion from the beginning and I have read all of the related comments. 

    I anxiously await further incorrect assumptions from you.
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129

     while the (I am just sure about this) vast majority of parents on a budget, who would still like to get some of these sets for their kids or themselves at prices which are at least within reasonable limits can't do so
    LEGO puts out about 600 new sets every year. the budget-concious parent has a ridiculous number of current sets to choose from without any need to even consider retired sets, no matter what those prices are
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  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    ToddMyers said:
    wagnerml2 said:
    This thread has spun way off its axis.
    Agreed, so I'm going to stop commenting on this subject in this thread.
    Well that didn't last long.... ;)
    tecjam
  • AustinPowersAustinPowers GermanyMember Posts: 278
    @ToddMyers: to be honest, at first I didn't want to say anything more in this thread as I agree that I am responsible for taking it off-topic, but I also wrote you a PM with more detailed explanations in order to exactly not take it even further OT. I don't think a forum troll would do anything like this.

    And just because I am new to actively writing in this forum instead of just reading it passively doesn't mean I am a troll either. Not even that I made some comments that are starting an intense discussion (where by the way quite a few here seem to agree with me, either completely or at least on parts important to me).

    Otoh you sometimes come across as quite rude and unfriendly here. From the start of this discussion that my comment spurred, you seem to try and read personal attacks against you into what I write.
    I can't stress enough the fact that English is not my mother tongue. I do believe to be quite adequate at it, but will not pretend I have mastered the finer points of the language perfectly. So excuse me if I sometimes write in a perhaps more drastic sounding way than might be necessary in order to get my point across.

    @tecjam and Lego_Nerd98: thank you by the way.
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  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
    edited December 2015
    I don't think the issues with your comments are related to your non-native use of the language system, but rather more to the fact that you seem to think that your personal value system should be universally accepted by other as the only acceptable value system
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  • ToddMyersToddMyers Cincinnati, OHMember Posts: 403
    ToddMyers said:
    wagnerml2 said:
    This thread has spun way off its axis.
    Agreed, so I'm going to stop commenting on this subject in this thread.
    Well that didn't last long.... ;)
    Lol.  I'll add that to the list of things I should never type.
  • ToddMyersToddMyers Cincinnati, OHMember Posts: 403
    dougts said:
    I don't think the issues with your comments are related to your non-native use of the language system, but rather more to the fact that you seem to think that your personal value system should be universally accepted by other as the only acceptable value system
    Yes, this exactly. 
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  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor MericaMember Posts: 3,950
    edited December 2015
    @AustinPowers may I suggest you stop trying so hard to make this argument a thing.
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  • MattsWhatMattsWhat Studley, UKMember Posts: 1,643
    And just because I am new to actively writing in this forum instead of just reading it passively doesn't mean I am a troll either.
    I just have to ask, if your opinion of Lego is that it is a toy to play with and you don't like the fact that old sets are expensive... what exactly made you hang around the forum, albeit passively, in the first place? The user base of this forum is mostly made up of collectors - all the main topics are about collecting. But apparently collectors of lego (rich ones mostly) annoy you.  Seems a weird place to hang out on the internet to me.
    And to @TigerMoth , my comment wasn't an exhaustive list, it was just a comment that aportioning blame for something you don't like about society is pointless.  Whether or not it is what it used to be like doesn't really matter.  For example, they used to only make 2x4 bricks (irrelevant) and they used not to make modulars at all (irrelevant).  The fact that Lego used to be less popular doesn't change the prices now, if you want to be involved in a marginal hobby with cheap prices then move on to pogs*, I reckon they will see a revival soon.
    *(insert other failing toy here if required)
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  • AustinPowersAustinPowers GermanyMember Posts: 278
    edited December 2015
    ToddMyers said:
    tecjam said:
    lol, who's trying to sway anyones opinion? Did you even read on, Todd? I thought this was a discussion.

    I would say it sounds more like you are the one trolling?
    Wait, so he's not trying to sway opinions on the subject?  My bad -- I had thought that his condescending attitude towards collectors was meant to shame folks into not collecting what, in his opinion, is just a toy, not something to be collected.  I guess that, according you you, he's just been shooting off his stream of conscious ramblings about playing and collecting just for the hell of it.  Gotcha.
    It might surprise you, but my intent indeed never was to sway anyone's opinion but simply to express my deep dissatisfaction with the situation I described.

    Plus no, I don't look down on collectors per se. Anyone who buys Lego sets to play with them (and keep them) is also a collector. So by that definition we as a family are also collectors.
    The only collectors I am angry about are those that buy sets at ridiculous prices (ok, so it is my personal opinion that these prices are ridiculous, to some, like you perhaps, they might still look like bargains), thus making the market spiral exponentially towards a situation where older sets will become unobtainable (whether MISB or used) for the majority of interested buyers. One can see the beginning of this already on ebay. I have used that market since 1999 and I believe I can say without exaggeration that I know a) my way around there and b) the developments in former and recent years. And from what I see I deduct my reasoning. Nothing more, nothing less.

    And to finally take this thread back on topic (sorry to all the guys and gals with the popcorn ;-)  ), what would interest me is if there is a way to find out how well certain Lego sets are doing / how well they are selling on the primary market, especially the rereleased Toy Shop.

    I think it is interesting to note by the way that 10249 in Europe is only 10 Euro more RRP than 10199, not 20 USD as over the pond. And considering that it has almost 100 more parts, the price per piece of 10249 is almost the same as 10199. Add to that the fact that the newer Toy Shop has more printed parts and an extra Minifig, it is not really bad value for money (inflation not even considered, which would make it even more reasonable).
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor MericaMember Posts: 3,950
    edited December 2015
    That's not the topic of this thread.
    kiki180703
  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    Given that we know what the 2015 winter village set is, the topic of this thread is largely irrelevant (which is absolutely fine)
    kiki180703
  • ChubblesChubbles USAMember Posts: 459
    so who is going to start the 2016 thread? =)
    kiki180703
  • chuxtoyboxchuxtoybox Member Posts: 711
    If this was EB, someone would have been banned by now for not staying on topic! ;)

    But seriously, this thread should be closed already. I keep wondering why there are new comments in this thread that has  no relevance anymore.
    kiki180703
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    MattsWhat said:

    And to @TigerMoth , my comment wasn't an exhaustive list, it was just a comment that aportioning blame for something you don't like about society is pointless.  Whether or not it is what it used to be like doesn't really matter.  For example, they used to only make 2x4 bricks (irrelevant) and they used not to make modulars at all (irrelevant).  The fact that Lego used to be less popular doesn't change the prices now, if you want to be involved in a marginal hobby with cheap prices then move on to pogs*, I reckon they will see a revival soon.
    *(insert other failing toy here if required)
    Stick your toupee back on.

    I know you didn't give an exhaustive list.  I just think a lot of those reasons go back to the same root - that things have changed. You don't tend to hear people complaining that they can't afford a Ferrari, or that they're ridiculous prices; it's always been true.

    And it does matter. If you went back to how things used to be, you would stand a chance of getting sets cheaply in the sales a week after they started. You would stand a chance of finding an old set in that tiny toy shop when you go on holiday. Most importantly, you wouldn't drool over those old sets with ridiculous prices on eBay, cursing the resellers because there wouldn't be any ridiculous prices nor large numbers of old sets.

    It also matters that the part selection used to be smaller. Most of the coveted sets have high prices because they contain parts that are in short supply. That means that they can't be BrickLinked cheaply. That would satisfy a lot of people and also keep the set prices down.

    If you put a frog in water and raise the temperature slowly, you'll boil him. If you try making the water hot too fast he notices, protests, and leaps out.
  • sklambsklamb speaker of American EnglishMember Posts: 494

    I used to be upset over the cost of retired or unusual sets. Now I just say, "No, thank you," politely (or at least I hope I'm polite) and move on. Many of the models can be BrickLinked at a relatively reasonable price, especially if you're willing to make adjustments to reflect the changes in part availability. If it's building and playing that you want to do, having something in collectable condition really isn't necessary. I have a lovely set of Lego Hub Birds which cost me about $80, including shipping charges, from about three major orders and a few random pieces stuck into unrelated orders, using BrickLink. I refered to an unboxing video on YouTube to build them. I can see why some people would prefer to have the boxed version, which had a lot of extra information and was beautifully presented, but it simply isn't worth another $120 to me.

    Besides, there are many older sets that can still be found for about their original list price in good used condition. The ones that can't were almost all collectors' items in the first place--the early modulars, the tour exclusive or employee gift sets, and sets (especially but not limited to UCS sets) from the various Star Wars and Super Heroes lines which have a collectors' market beyond the Lego one.

    Early in my AFOL career, I decided to choose between Medieval Market Village and Diagon Alley, and also between Fire Brigade and Town Hall. As an investor, I made the "wrong" choice both times, but I am very comfortable with what I bought, especially as I prefer the new Ghostbusters' HQ to the FB anyway. (My as-yet-unbuilt Lego City doesn't have a problem with narrow passageways breaking up a large block of buildings, so I consider GBHQ and HH to be legitimate members of a modulars collection.) There's more to life than worrying about money--at least if you have enough money that the price of retired Lego sets is what you worry about.

    kiki180703BrickDancercatwrangler
  • Jern92Jern92 MalaysiaMember Posts: 831
    TigerMoth said:
    When was the last time anybody walked into a toy shop and bought a set that had been discontinued for a couple of years? It wasn't particularly uncommon, whereas it's now unlikely that something like that stays on the shelf for very long.
    I got a MISB 10197 Fire Brigade (at 25% off no less) in a toy store last year :-P
    kiki180703
  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    Jern92 said:

    I got a MISB 10197 Fire Brigade (at 25% off no less) in a toy store last year :-P
    I believe that was only discontinued at the end of 2013, so it wouldn't have been particular old at the time.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,875
    Pitfall69 said:
    Fun Fact: There are no arguments for or against reselling that have not been reiterated dozens of times each already.
    Yes, but the "newbies" haven't experienced the  joy of  "Evil Reseller" arguments before. Might as well grab some popcorn, sit back and enjoy...I mean, shake your head ;)
    It's an argument re-release!  It'll drive down the price of the original argument.
    dougtskiki180703Pitfall69BumblepantsLego_Nerd98Ronyarbandit778catwrangler
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,875
    tamamahm said:
    ^ Reminds me... I am out of popcorn. I need to buy some more. 
    ^ I hear the discontinued popcorn is selling at 125% on eBay.
    dougtskiki180703tamamahmLego_Nerd98
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,405
    I particularly enjoy these debates, even though nobody is going to change each other's views. It is interesting to see how people feel about the subject(s). We know how @AustinPowers feels about resellers and the aftermarket, so we shouldn't see him commenting in the "Reseller" thread. We also know that his native tongue is NOT English, but he is mych more eloquent with the language than I am, but who is surprised at that; for I am Pitfall. 
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,875

    If this was EB there would be just about no one left. 
    This is clearly the best comment on the thread.  Winner!
    Pitfall69kiki180703goshe7
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 6,308
    SumoLego said:
    tamamahm said:
    ^ Reminds me... I am out of popcorn. I need to buy some more. 
    ^ I hear the discontinued popcorn is selling at 125% on eBay.
    I will sell you my stash of caramel popcorn I found in the cracks of the sofa for a mere 200% markup! Caramel really locks in that vintage flavor and helps the corn to age like a fine wine might. Probably.
    kiki180703
  • MattsWhatMattsWhat Studley, UKMember Posts: 1,643
    ^psh.. your popcorn isn't even MISB. Like any one would give you 200% rrp for it.  Oh wait... caramel you say.. do they make that anymore? I must have it!
    kiki180703
  • AustinPowersAustinPowers GermanyMember Posts: 278
    edited December 2015
    I can sell you my collection of Classic Popcorn from 1979 (some of them might by now even look sufficiently blue and light grey ;-)  ) if you are interested, but the instructions on how to eat them without breaking your teeth are slightly creased...
    kiki180703
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