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I did, but had sold my original so I didn't have one. I think the new one is a slight improvement over the original in some ways, though maybe not enough of an improvement to justify the price hike.
I would really like to see this question answered by people who own the original. Show of hands.
Yeap, I bought the new one and i have the old. The build is much the same with a few improvements, the sign for the toy Shop is lovely and the figure printing is a vast improvement. My village will now have two toy stores in it, I am sure the Lego kids who live in my village will be happy for it.
I think part of the Winter Village issue may be that there aren't too many structures left to offer and of the obvious ones (Pub, church) Lego will never make them, maybe a village hall or a school, but at that point you are starting to build a Lego city substitute and I don’t think that was the point of the line. So i suspect if we do get a set next year it could well be another re-release. But that’s ok
Lego re-release and update sets all the time, from almost every line they have, nothing new and it is vital to their business model (or they wouldn't do it). It has no bearing on the secondary market to a collector, if the set gets a new number and a few new pieces, then it’s a different set and a collector will want both and the price for the older set will be regulated by the supply and demand at the time.
I am not a fan of buying Lego (or anything really) to turn a profit because that isn’t my line of work, it is however, other peoples and while I don’t particularly like it, it is part and parcel of the free market economy that we all live off. As a big toy collector I pay what I feel is right for the piece I want and it is based on how much I want it, not what I can get for it tomorrow and that's ok, it's my choice. Love it or hate it, re-releases and secondary markets have always been around and always will.
That's not true any more. Some items are designed as being collectable. From lego.com regarding CMF Series 14:
"Each minifigure comes in a sealed ‘mystery’ bag with one or more accessories, display plate and collector’s leaflet."
A collector's leaflet is presumably for collectors - to be hoarded.
It's interesting to note that most of the sets you list would also be regarded by most people as collectable.
Indeed, it is the collectables that cause the problem - because they are collectable. Almost all the complaints about resellers' set prices relate to this century. There are earlier iconic sets, complete with hefty price tags, that are never mentioned.
Are you aware that most of those sets were released BEFORE the boom in the number of people who bought sets purely to resell?
Let me be clear about something. I don't particularly like resellers, largely because of the way that some of them (typically eBayers) tend to clear the shelves of anything that remotely approaches being a bargain. But it's wrong to assume that everybody is either a reseller or like yourself wanting everything to be available forever - until, of course, you've got it.
There was never any problem obtaining any of the sets you mention. Indeed, my own personal objection to resellers also goes out the window with them because, as exclusives, there generally weren't any bargains to be had that led to clearing of shelves.
The question to ask is why anybody wants any of the sets for which resellers charge large amounts - it's because they are collectable. I can think of a few older sets that I'd like. Mostly, it's because they contain parts that are no longer produced - if a new set came out with the same part, I'd be happy whether the set bore any likeness to the original or not. Even so, the originals tend to be relatively cheap because they're not collectable as such, even though they've been out of production for a long time.
no toy shop for me, can't bring myself to buy a WV set yet, they look nice, though small. santa's workshop, just under 1kg and it has 883 pieces? it is more like the weight of a 600 pieces set.
The only thing I detest is your certainty that people will detest what you said.
If you don't like the way some people tend to clear the shelves of anything that remotely approaches a bargain, I would choose to not like that group of people. That group of people would likely include resellers as well as builders looking to vastly increase their own collection. As for your claim that they are "typically eBayers", what evidence have you?
Let me give you a corresponding perspective. I personally loathe people that abuse the return system at stores. This includes people who regularly buy something, hold it for a period of time, and then return. It could be a reseller trying to make a quick buck and bailing when that doesn't materialize. It could also be an AFOL trying to scoop up a near-retirement set (Death Star) and then choosing to return it later when it is apparent it is not yet retiring and they want to spend their money elsewhere. I absolutely hate the people that buy a bunch of CMF, cherry pick at home, and return the leftovers to a store. I don't care if they are cherry picking an army for themselves or figures for resale.
As far as buying and returning later, how is it abusing the system? They bought a product and returned it within the store's policy time period. Intentions can vary wildly.
I have not "cherry picked" the CMFs at home, but I will buy the figures I want in the store and sometimes later after opening one and holding it in my hand realize I don't want an army of them and return them later. Sure, they weren't available for someone else at the store, but it's a product to be purchased. Now by returning it, someone else gets the chance to stockpile the very figures that were returned. The only problem is you have to sift through the figures to find the ones you want. But you have to do that anyway when you are originally picking the figures you want.
I will not lose sleep if the re-release toy shop sells poorly. Maybe it will be a lesson to those clamoring for redo's, and LEGO itself, that remaking EOL sets is not really a savvy business move after all.
Nevermind that this only helps resellers in the long run. Why? Eventually the set will discontinue again, causing prices on both the original and the new one to rise.
Simple, the systems is not being used as intended (and I think we can readily assume the stores intent is only if there is an issue with the product, or the wrong product bought). You return an item because you did not want it, or there was an issue with it. Hard to claim the former when you, not someone buying a gift for you, purchased the item, and the latter, well the item is damaged which means you would get another of the same typically.
The systems are not in place to use as a convenient loophole for someone's laziness in buying a whole box of CMFs to cherry pick in their home on their sofa. Or buying something hoping it will retire then returning it when they realize it will not retire.
I said "I don't particularly like resellers", that's a long, long way from being disgusted by them. It was only worth mentioning because I was commenting on a post criticising resellers, and which I thought was excessive (but I still wouldn't describe as expressing disgust); whilst I thought it was excessive, I wanted to make it clear that I was neither a reseller, nor on their side of that particular "us and them" fence.
How about boasting over the top of their trolleys to their companions? It becomes very clear that they have no idea what they're buying, but are simply doing so based on the principle that they think they can sell virtually anything with a "LEGO" label at list price, or maybe a bit more, and that a sign which says "money off" simply means "profit".
Some other resellers tend to be a bit more savvy and selective about what they buy, but they are not discrete groups.
Faulty goods are hopefully covered by a purchaser's legal right to get whatever it is they've paid for.
The idea is that a customer sees a product but is undecided about buying it - either because they're not sure it's what they want or because they think they might to be able to get it cheaper elsewhere. By having a policy of accepting returns, the store can effectively say "buy it anyway - if you don't want it, or find it cheaper, you can always return it". Kerching! Sold! Then inertia takes over. A lot of people that change their mind won't then return the item, and so the store has made sales that it wouldn't if people had thought things through completely.
I don't find it perplexing that you chose to attack this word, rather than reconsidering the target of your not particular liking.
Your typical experience is that they boast loudly to others that they will resell the items on eBay? My typical experience is that they behave discreetly. We just must have different neighbors.
I should hope so; we're in different countries. And as that is always likely to be the case, it's best to assume that, or something similar, explains a difference in perception before criticising or questioning it.
Frankly, it would be bad if they did. The vast lion's share of profits and sales are civilians and not collectors.
I don't think Nike pays much attention to their secondary market, or Hallmark much cares about the ornament collecting sector.
I bought the new Toy Shop, because I was still in my Dark Ages when the first version came out, and (given its price on the resale market since I've become an AFOL) I was never going to get it. Mind you, since I don't inventory my collection at BrickSet, my purchase hasn't shown up there.
If they try re-issuing the Winter Village Cottage, I won't buy it, because I had a chance to buy it once, didn't, and don't regret passing it up. If I had had the old Toy Shop, I suspect I might have bought a few of the new minifigures from BrickLink and left it at that. And while I can sympathize with those who spent more than they would have liked buying the original set on the secondary market, they still have something that the new version doesn't replace.
As for the resellers? This is surely one of the risks you take when you make any sort of investment.
FWIW my first year or so on here I was fully engaged in this argument (anti-reseller).
Now I just go with the flow and try not to stress about it either way, having become a reseller myself on a small scale (I am genetically unable to leave a bargain on the shelf! But have no space :-( )
So I say live and let live.
Peace and Lego to all AFOLkind :-)
But those who haven't enjoyed the argument before, by all means have at it!
I would go for a small Ice skating lake with a couple of seats, some conifer Trees and banks of snow around it. Maybe a Lamp post and a small bridge across one corner. With 5 or 6 minifigs.
A smaller price tag for these sets seems reasonable to me.
This years set seems very overpriced at £60.
Yep! It should be called Winter Village Park, kinda like I said up there ^
And as for Lego and their need for a secondary market. Why should they be interested in the secondary market at all? They don't sell in the secondary market. Parents shouldn't even need to buy from resellers. Funny anyway, some modulars like PS, PC or PR which are all still available at RRP from Lego [email protected], are sold via ebay for up to 50% above RRP. That is not even stuff that isn't around any more. How stupid does one have to be to buy these sets from the "secondary market" above retail when you can easily get them at RRP at the same time from Lego themselves???
Or would you buy a new car from a used car salesman at above retail price even if you could get the same model from the offical dealership at RRP (or even less, if they offer discounts, much like Lego sometimes does)?
I live in Germany after all, a country of bargain hunters if ever you saw some. Our grocery prices for example are some of the lowest in the world, and toys are also often available for bargain basement prices.
For the record, I have only three modulars - the latest (PC, PR and DO). And I got every one of them for between 10 and 25% discount.
Or Benny's spaceship. Bought from Lego [email protected] a couple of months ago at 50% off!
And so on and so on. Come to think of it, I haven't bought any Lego set at RRP for a very long time.
I bricklink'ed 10173 to complete my WV set and I agree. The train is crap. But my COD to have everything Winter Village wanted it (luckily it hasn't made my buy 10249)
Should've spent my money on bricklinking 10194 instead.
But why should modulars for example be considered as "collectables" more so than any city set? Because they have more parts? Because they are targeted at age 16+? Because they look nice?
Modulars in particular have great play value, even for kids of ten years or younger. Believe me, I know what I am talking about from experience with my own kids.
I don't see any reason to call them collectable.
Architecture sets, ok, these have basically no play value, bad value for money brick-wise even at RRP and are therefor clearly aimed at affluent adult collectors mainly.
But modulars? The are not cheap, sure, but in terms of price per part they are real bargains even at RRP. Plus, as I said they have great play value, and are immensely fun to build. Both of which seems more important to kids than collectors. Hell, even stuff like Tower Bridge is great for kids. I built mine together with our seven-year-old daughter, and she loved every minute of it - even putting on all those cheese-slopes ;-)
So as to the notion that people are willing to pay a lot for the older modulars that are no longer available. Perhaps these are indeed the collectors, because no sane parent would (could?) spend such amounts of money on stuff they would want to play with. Shame really.
Oh and as for really old sets: I grew up in the Seventies and Eighties, and basically started my Lego affiliation with Classic Space. In those days I didn't get stuff like Galaxy Explorer and some others I would have loved to have back in the day. I now have most of these sets thanks to ebay sellers, but that is private sellers of their own stuff from their own childhood. Not the greedy kind of "quick big buck" resellers I mentioned that I so absolutely hate.
And you find it "fun" to search for out-of-market sets? Where's the fun in that. Sounds as much fun as sitting on a bench and staring at cars go by the whole day. But if you are into collecting old iPhones, perhaps you would find that fun as well.
(And no, I DID get your irony in that last sentence).