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Predictions on Discontinuing Sets and their Secondary Market Value

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  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,135
    I dont know.

    I think the group of people most interested in buying this released UCS MF set will do so within the first 6 months - a year tops as they scrounge together funds.  I don't see the casual fan buying it in say 14 months time.  I really think with the price point and targeted audience that this is certainly a less than 2 year production run maybe a year and 6 months.
    The same could be said for the original Death Star, or Fire Brigade. Only real fans are going to pay lots of money for sets like those. Yet the fan base changes with time. They kept selling because more people came into the hobby and wanted them and could afford them. It wouldn't surprise me if the same thing happens with the UCS MF, and lasts more than 2 years.

    I imagine that there are people that are just starting with lego or are about to start, or will start in the next year or two and they will see the price and think who would ever pay that for a lego set. Then in two years time, they will be wanting to buy it.

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  • wagnerml2wagnerml2 Belleville, IllinoisMember Posts: 1,376
    @Aanchir - I think you make my point.  It's not the price of the pinnacle set that is the issue its the vast number of sets that now top the $200 mark.  I am not at liberty at the moment to do my research, but my recollection was that in 2007 when #10179 was in the market, it was the only lego set in excess of $200.  Very few were higher than $139 (which was the original price point of the modular line if memory serves).  I think Grand Carousel came out in 2009 at $249.  I could be forgetting some, but the point is that there is a whole mess of sets today that top the $200 mark.  Therefore, the cult of the new soaks up way more of a collector's discretionary funds buying the hot new issues.  Since there is a much higher percentage of them at a much higher pricepoint, that leaves fewer dollars available for the aftermarket.  Just my thoughts.
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  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,912
    #75191 Jedi interceptor with Hyperdrive ring is on sale 30% off at TRU. $69.99. Can get lower with discounted gift cards if you have them or the 10% off Thursdays in the store with the TRU Credit Card.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,869
    IMO LEGO will never roll back pricing, I have yet to see this considering their last few train and City square sets having to have massive discounts to sell

    As for Palace Cinema, not sure why everyone is surprised, fairly certain the Retiring Soon tag has been on it at [email protected] for at leas the past month or two.
  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 2,944
    High RRPs that no-one pays is probably the way they'll go. We already see it plenty in the UK - furniture shops selling "half price" beds and furniture for what they should really cost. Twice the price for RRP, then 50% off gives a perceived bargain.
  • 1x11x1 Member Posts: 132
    With so many D2C sets with a high price point perhaps it could actually help the aftermarket. There can't be as many people who can afford to stock up heavily on everything. It would cost a fortune to buy even one of each of the currently available big sets.
     This would mean lower supply in the aftermarket. 
  • 1x11x1 Member Posts: 132
    On a separate note are they ever going to stop making tower bridge? I think the original Death Star was around for a bit longer but it'll pass that soon. I just can't believe it sells that well. 
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,135
    1x1 said:
    With so many D2C sets with a high price point perhaps it could actually help the aftermarket. There can't be as many people who can afford to stock up heavily on everything. It would cost a fortune to buy even one of each of the currently available big sets.
     This would mean lower supply in the aftermarket. 
    Lower supply would mean higher profits for resellers on the ones they do invest in since availability would be lower. And so that might mean more resellers stock high end sets, which brings you back to square one.
  • arathemisarathemis sometimes here, sometimes thereMember Posts: 373
    but the demand will also be lower. Why should I buy the retired PetShop at an inflated price, when I still have to buy Assembly square, old fishing house, ninjago city, Nasa Rocket etc that just appeared this year and that still have RRP prices (or lower).?By the time I buy them, some new modular will appear, or some other fancy set. At this rate, I`ll never buy PetShop, as I`ll always have things to buy that are on the shelves.
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  • Marc2501Marc2501 Member Posts: 48
    edited September 2017

    Lego suffers first drop in revenues in a decade!

    "Lego suffered its worst financial performance in more than a decade, forcing the Danish toymaker to declare it would overhaul its entire organisation and cut 1,400 jobs."

    https://www.ft.com/content/d5e0b6b0-9211-11e7-a9e6-11d2f0ebb7f0


    So, well TLG starts to get what they deserve for.
    Rereleasing the #10179 is a BIG mistake.

    Why want anyone collecting exclusive lego sets anymore, when high priced rare sets get rereleases and the prices bursts like bubbles?
    Many collectors paid insane prices for rare copies. They must feel like fools now.

    Collectable markets mostly only exists, because there are rare high priced thinks to collect. Who wants to collect mass products with dozens of copies and rereleases?

    TLG are destroying the collectible value. TLG, please Learn from Ferrari or Rolex, they keep the offer limited and so they create their enormous and powerful brand.

    I mean, Lego should produce normal sets like police stations etc. at high levels, but the exclusive sets should be limited AND NEVER DO RERELEASES, like the name "exclusive and rare" itself says. With high priced limited exclusive sets they create the high market brand and value to promote and boost selling of the normal sets.

    Best example is Porsche, with famous 911 sport cars they didn't make the big money, but with that the brand get's the great power. Only with that they can sell the Cash Cows SUV's Cayenne, Panameras and Makans with premium prices.
    Without the sport cars Porsche wouldn't earn premium profits, because the brand would hit big damage. Fast sport cars is all what the high granded name PORSCHE is about.

    TLG... Idiots!!!
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  • wagnerml2wagnerml2 Belleville, IllinoisMember Posts: 1,376
    Someone is bitter.....

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  • datsunrobbiedatsunrobbie West Haven , CTMember Posts: 1,583
    edited September 2017
    I always thought LEGO was a toy company, not an investment company. I've read they produce over 19 Billion parts per year, or 36,000 parts per minute. Aside from the first production batch of #10179, with the special documentation, or oddball stuff like the Panama Canal set, is any of it actually "rare"? I'd guess LEGO makes higher profits on CMFs and polys than on the flagship sets, but I have no data to back that up.

    Ford made the GT-500 to sell to collectors, but they could do it because they sold lots of Escorts, Pintos, and plain-jane Mustangs. Original GT-500s still demand a premium.

    You can buy the complete works of Shakespeare for $10 at Barnes and Noble, but a first edition folio will sell for millions at auction.


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  • willobee498willobee498 CanadalandMember Posts: 349
    What, my pile of plastic bricks has dropped from an inflated and absurd value because a new set came out? Well, guess I can't enjoy it anymore. Lego is dead, sound the trumpets.
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  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 2,944
    ^ On the other hand, how many people here would pay £650/$800 for the new MF if they thought it would be worth next-to nowt if and when they ever decide to have a clear-out? Residual value goes a long way to justifying a high price tag - just ask Rolex and Audi owners.
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  • PapaBearPapaBear East CoastMember Posts: 467
    Lego may not be dead, but they have an uphill battle to fight from here on.

    Let's not forget they almost went broke a little over 13 years ago.

    Re-releasing sets is just an attempt to capture and bring in more people to the market.  The main problem is market over saturation.  As I said before, it is impossible to grow forever.  Re-releasing sets does bring down aftermarket value, which reduces the collectible image of the brand, but so doesn't pumping out 10 large exclusives per year.

    Limited edition stuff is just a gimmick and can be even more damaging.  The fact that I can't reserve a mini-SNES or Xbox One X kind of makes me frown on those companies.  In the long run, I say to myself "Wait, why do I even want those things?".  I really don't, they are just impulse buys that seem cool.

    Either way, disappointing your fan base will damage your brand.  They don't appreciate resellers and since they like selling as many sets as they can, I doubt they will make very many limited edition sets.

    We will find out how they're handling slow sales by how many exclusives start to get discounted.
  • datsunrobbiedatsunrobbie West Haven , CTMember Posts: 1,583
    It only takes a few ridiculously high sales to stoke the fires of the aftermarket.  Out of (approximately) 10,000 first edition ones that were sold, I wonder how many of those actually resulted in profits for aftermarket sellers? Bricklink only shows 39 "New" ones sold in the last 6 months, and I bet many of those were being sold for at least the third time. But the IDEA of selling it for a huge profit pushed the price sky-high for the few copies that were actually changing hands. Quash that idea and scalpers like ToyWiz might quit grabbing sets on day one and forcing the prices up.

    I think the big sets are for headlines and the smaller ones are for making money.

    For easy math, let's say the average CMF has 10 pieces. 10 x 60 per case = 600 pieces. Buy them all on sale for $2.50 each, that's $150 for 600 pieces. $1500 for 6000 pieces. At MSRP of $4 each, the price balloons to $240 per case. Millions of people who would never drop $800 on a single set will spend "pocket money" to buy CMFs for kids as impulse buys - and all those little sales add up.


  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,886
    Marc2501 said:

    Lego suffers first drop in revenues in a decade!

    "Lego suffered its worst financial performance in more than a decade, forcing the Danish toymaker to declare it would overhaul its entire organisation and cut 1,400 jobs."

    https://www.ft.com/content/d5e0b6b0-9211-11e7-a9e6-11d2f0ebb7f0


    So, well TLG starts to get what they deserve for.
    Rereleasing the #10179 is a BIG mistake.

    Why want anyone collecting exclusive lego sets anymore, when high priced rare sets get rereleases and the prices bursts like bubbles?
    Many collectors paid insane prices for rare copies. They must feel like fools now.

    Collectable markets mostly only exists, because there are rare high priced thinks to collect. Who wants to collect mass products with dozens of copies and rereleases?

    TLG are destroying the collectible value. TLG, please Learn from Ferrari or Rolex, they keep the offer limited and so they create their enormous and powerful brand.

    I mean, Lego should produce normal sets like police stations etc. at high levels, but the exclusive sets should be limited AND NEVER DO RERELEASES, like the name "exclusive and rare" itself says. With high priced limited exclusive sets they create the high market brand and value to promote and boost selling of the normal sets.

    Best example is Porsche, with famous 911 sport cars they didn't make the big money, but with that the brand get's the great power. Only with that they can sell the Cash Cows SUV's Cayenne, Panameras and Makans with premium prices.
    Without the sport cars Porsche wouldn't earn premium profits, because the brand would hit big damage. Fast sport cars is all what the high granded name PORSCHE is about.

    TLG... Idiots!!!
    Umm, news flash, these financial results are for the first half of 2017, so the Millennium Falcon shouldn't have even the slightest impact on them. Also, adult-targeted exclusive sets like this tend to make up a pretty small fraction of their business, with the vast majority of their revenue coming from their kid-targeted sets like the police stations you bring up. I want to say nice try but even for grasping at straws that was a pretty pathetic attempt.

    ^ On the other hand, how many people here would pay £650/$800 for the new MF if they thought it would be worth next-to nowt if and when they ever decide to have a clear-out? Residual value goes a long way to justifying a high price tag - just ask Rolex and Audi owners.
    The issue with that is that even a re-release usually doesn't drive a set's value below RRP, and certainly not to "next to nothing". The only people who get bit in the ass are speculators who take huge risks buying up sets on the aftermarket for an already inflated price expecting that price to keep rising. And if those sets end up losing value it's nobody's fault but their own for waiting so long to invest in that particular set.
    gmonkey76
  • Rainstorm26Rainstorm26 Chicago Burbs USA (and sometimes Ireland)Member Posts: 1,004
    I think TLG is being rather hypocritical by re-releasing sets.  They try to prey on people's assumption that these are collectibles by putting out set like the Technic Crawler in limited numbers, say "Retiring Soon" for sets on the website, Exclusive labeling of sets on the website, "Collectible Minifigures", all hinting that people should buy them because they may be collectible and increase in value.  People will no longer be fooled by these marketing ploys.  I would bet this will damage some sales maybe not in huge numbers, but there recent miss in profits are actually not huge.  So maybe things are already to that point.  I don't know.
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  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,886
    I think TLG is being rather hypocritical by re-releasing sets.  They try to prey on people's assumption that these are collectibles by putting out set like the Technic Crawler in limited numbers, say "Retiring Soon" for sets on the website, Exclusive labeling of sets on the website, "Collectible Minifigures", all hinting that people should buy them because they may be collectible and increase in value.  People will no longer be fooled by these marketing ploys.  I would bet this will damage some sales maybe not in huge numbers, but there recent miss in profits are actually not huge.  So maybe things are already to that point.  I don't know.
    The "Retiring Soon" tag never gave me the impression that it had anything to do with sets increasing in value post-retirement… to me it's always just meant "if you want both this and another set, get this one first or you might miss your chance".

    Also, don't loads of collectibles get re-released or redesigned? And usually it doesn't severely decrease the value of the original edition? Holographic Charizard cards from the original series of Pokémon cards are still worth loads of money even though there have been plenty of Charizards since then — including one with the exact same art and attacks in Base Set 2 which came out just a few years after the original!

    Finally, "Collectible Minifigures" aren't even called that officially. The theme is officially just "Minifigures". They are collectibles in the same sense as Pokémon cards or anything else of that sort, but "this might increase in value!" usually isn't a major selling point of any of those products. The intent is for the END USER to collect them for their own personal use/bragging rights, and also trade them with friends. The world doesn't revolve around reselling.
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  • ryjayryjay Member Posts: 1,001
    edited September 2017
    Unless i read it wrong.....their cash is way up.  More money with less sales.  I'll take that every day.  And this is a private company, unless they have huge investment VC being dropped on them, they are doing pretty good on their own.

    At this point, the 1400 people aren't needed, therefore they go....not usually a good idea to employ extra people.
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  • MAGNINOMINISUMBRAMAGNINOMINISUMBRA Member Posts: 993
    1x1 said:
    On a separate note are they ever going to stop making tower bridge? I think the original Death Star was around for a bit longer but it'll pass that soon. I just can't believe it sells that well. 
    Yes - about one week after I finally decide to dump the stack I've been sitting on since six months after release.  I'll be sure to keep everyone apprised...
    Jackad7
  • Rainstorm26Rainstorm26 Chicago Burbs USA (and sometimes Ireland)Member Posts: 1,004
    Aanchir said:

    Finally, "Collectible Minifigures" aren't even called that officially. 
    https://shop.lego.com/en-US/Series-17-71018

    If you search the web page the word collect is there 8 times.  I guess that is still not official.
  • willobee498willobee498 CanadalandMember Posts: 349
    edited September 2017
    Odd how "collectible" somehow means "valuable" to so many people, rather than "buy a lot of them please!"
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  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,886
    Aanchir said:

    Finally, "Collectible Minifigures" aren't even called that officially. 
    https://shop.lego.com/en-US/Series-17-71018

    If you search the web page the word collect is there 8 times.  I guess that is still not official.
    Yes, the word "collect" is there, but the theme isn't called "collectible minifigures". And @willobee498 has a point, the words "collect" and "collectible" don't have anything to do with aftermarket value. Something is collectible if there's a bunch of them to seek out for your collection.
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  • sonsofscevasonsofsceva 1904 World's FairMember Posts: 542
    People collect stuff all the time for all sorts of reasons. Why do you think all the gas stations in the Interstates in America have all the baubles about their state? Playing cards, shot glasses, magnets, spoons, etc. People collect that stuff for mementoes. No one is expecting them to be worth anything later. Collectible doesn't mean valuable. Same with baseball cards, Pokémon cards, and other such collectibles. There is the occasional aftermarket gem, but it is mostly to collect for the fun of the hunt.

    And arguing re-releases ruin markets is silly. An old, pristine Ford Mustang, for example, is still worth money even though they make a new model every year, and even have gone back to a similar design to the original. Some are valuable, some are not, at any given point; that is how a market works.

    I don't think LEGO cares about the resale value market much, except if they see an ongoing niche thriving in the aftermarket that they can tap into, like the UCS Falcon.

    Finally, this thread is about predictions. I predict that the UCS MF will do well for them and will eventually make a profit on the market as the largest of all time and, unless Disney ruins the franchise, because it is one of the most universally recognized and appreciated vehicles in all of fiction.
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  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,869
    People collect stuff all the time for all sorts of reasons. Why do you think all the gas stations in the Interstates in America have all the baubles about their state? Playing cards, shot glasses, magnets, spoons, etc. People collect that stuff for mementoes. No one is expecting them to be worth anything later. Collectible doesn't mean valuable. Same with baseball cards, Pokémon cards, and other such collectibles. There is the occasional aftermarket gem, but it is mostly to collect for the fun of the hunt.

    And arguing re-releases ruin markets is silly. An old, pristine Ford Mustang, for example, is still worth money even though they make a new model every year, and even have gone back to a similar design to the original. Some are valuable, some are not, at any given point; that is how a market works.

    I don't think LEGO cares about the resale value market much, except if they see an ongoing niche thriving in the aftermarket that they can tap into, like the UCS Falcon.

    Finally, this thread is about predictions. I predict that the UCS MF will do well for them and will eventually make a profit on the market as the largest of all time and, unless Disney ruins the franchise, because it is one of the most universally recognized and appreciated vehicles in all of fiction.

    'Collect' and 'Collectable' means whatever to whoever, and many sheep in this world- especially with eBay out there- now think that 'collectable' means 'valuable'.
    Are they wrong? Maybe (I mean it may be valuable to them in more than monetary ways as well), but it does not change the fact that many think those words mean 'valuable', and companies know this and cash in on that all the time. Even for 'never do wrong' LEGO.

    As for the UCS MF (which I think many may think that 'MF' stands for the words exclaimed by those who paid dearly for this set when the saw it re-released), well no one should be surprised that one of the major symbols in the Star Wars universe would be redone in this form. Especially when there have been how many versions of it not prefaced with 'UCS'? LEGO will redo every set for SW, there is just too much money involved for them not to (though the assault on your wallet, I mean Assault on Hoth set may not). They have not redone Jango's Slave 1, that is a bit surprising, but once the Slave 1 UCS is going away I think you will even see that one again (never mind they put Jango in a bunch of smaller sets). IMO the profitability in SW is in finding those sets that LEGO does NOT redo once every 2-3 years.

    I agree that the new 'UCS' MF will do quite well when it goes away as will the original. Everyone complains about the prices of these. Well it is not stopping those from buying it, and by the time it retires the set may not be such a 'bad price' as it seems now. there I think was a rumor somewhere about this being limited production, which would be surprising for a set that is rather pricey (and not under what it probably would cost them for a normal LEGO produced set)

    This goes back to LEGO knowing what they are doing though if they are hard selling the fact that the PC is retiring soon as they do not want another repeat like the PS going on sale for 119.99 USD in December.

  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,886
    Re: Jango's Slave 1, it's one of many things from Episode II that hasn't been redone, another obvious example being the "car chase" on Coruscant. I think maybe LEGO avoided redoing Episode II sets for many years since a lot of its subject matter overlapped with Clone Wars, which was still an ongoing and heavily promoted series at that time. It wasn't really until Clone Wars ended that we started to get Episode II re-releases again… sadly, though, still mostly the same vehicles that we'd previously gotten Clone Wars versions of and not the stuff that was ONLY in Episode II.
  • Ma1234Ma1234 Member Posts: 693
    Ferrari F40, Avengers Hellicarrier and Ghostbusters Ecto 1 (2016 remake) have "Last Chance!" tags in the Fall [email protected] catalog. 
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,869
    Ma1234 said:
    Ferrari F40, Avengers Hellicarrier and Ghostbusters Ecto 1 (2016 remake) have "Last Chance!" tags in the Fall [email protected] catalog. 
    I picked up the The 'ecto-1' reboot one as well only because I am a bit of a completion-ist, but would not be surprised to see that one last and last until discounted. However with No 'Etco-1' how long does the GB Headquarters stick around for?
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,886
    Ma1234 said:
    Ferrari F40, Avengers Hellicarrier and Ghostbusters Ecto 1 (2016 remake) have "Last Chance!" tags in the Fall [email protected] catalog. 
    I wonder if LEGO has any plans to roll out another Marvel D2C set to take the place of the Helicarrier… to date, they've had three Batman D2C sets, but the Helicarrier's been their only one for Marvel. Maybe something Spider-Man themed, since despite the complicated film rights issue he remains one of Marvel's most marketable characters. But then again, since he doesn't have a dedicated lair or a lot of cool tech like Batman does, it might be a bit harder to find subject matter that's cool and iconic enough for a big set like that, yet true enough to the character for adults to take interest in it.

    A UCS Quinjet could also be a possibility, since Quinjets are one of the non-character subjects of the Marvel movies that have gotten the most screen time. Though I know many AFOLs already think the number of Quinjets in the Marvel Super Heroes theme have been overkill.

    Kind of off-topic, I know, but these are just the sort of things I start thinking about when I hear about sets approaching retirement.
  • tamamahmtamamahm Member Posts: 1,965
    ^ I can always hope the reason the did not chose the Ideas Agents of Shield Bus is because it was already planned a D2C set. Well, one can always hope. 
  • ReesesPiecesReesesPieces Member Posts: 951
    A daily bugle building might be fun.  And instead of the super heros/villains, having the civilian forms of the characters might be fun.  it doesn't have to be limited to Peter Parker but have other characters hanging out outside the building. This can satisfy marvel collectors as well as some modular collectors.
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  • brclark82brclark82 Member Posts: 195
    Any thoughts on the Saturn V...it has been "temporarily sold out" for a few weeks now.  The word temporarily obviously gives the impression that it will eventually be back in stock but curious if this may be one of those short runs with just a few available when it does come back.  

    I also havent been paying much attention lately so feel free to update me if this has already been discussed. 
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 13,271
    I'm actually shocked that the F-40 is on the fast-track for retirement.  I'm wondering if LEGO has a limited license for the set - or if it wasn't the most iconic Ferrari that would give it the same legs as the VWs and the Mini.  

    (As I mildly panic and run out to buy one.)
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  • YodaliciousYodalicious DagobahMember Posts: 1,366
    ^ That was my dream car growing up. I don't own the LEGO set. Yet. 
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  • gmonkey76gmonkey76 ChicagoMember Posts: 1,602
    ^ & ^^ I'm hoping for a Speed Champions 308 Ferrari 
  • shikadishikadi TRU AlumniMember Posts: 114
    brclark82 said:
    Any thoughts on the Saturn V...it has been "temporarily sold out" for a few weeks now.  The word temporarily obviously gives the impression that it will eventually be back in stock but curious if this may be one of those short runs with just a few available when it does come back.  

    I also havent been paying much attention lately so feel free to update me if this has already been discussed. 

    There's a post on the ideas blog saying more Saturn Vs are being produced but these things take time. My guess is TLG underestimated demand for this set. Par for the course for the Ideas theme.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 13,271
    Except for the Exo-Suit, Maze, Caterham and Adventuretime...
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  • MAGNINOMINISUMBRAMAGNINOMINISUMBRA Member Posts: 993
    And Wall-E if it wasn't a dud when it first hit the shelves.  I've already seen two Saturns in places and with people I would have never expected to.  There are people out there buying it who are definitely new to LEGO bricks and I've got the feeling its also being snapped up by plenty of resellers and speculators.  
      I still feel no rush to buy it - TLG knows they're hitting it out of the park.
  • Jackad7Jackad7 Wisconsin Member Posts: 535
    Like I said earlier I read in an article that TLG had stopped production. Like you mentioned this set seems to be massively popular even beyond the normal lego community. If you can get any I would pick them up.
  • PapaBearPapaBear East CoastMember Posts: 467
    My teacher mentioned he wanted this set as well.  I did not think he would collect LEGO.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,135
    Marc2501 said:

    Collectable markets mostly only exists, because there are rare high priced thinks to collect. Who wants to collect mass products with dozens of copies and rereleases?

    FALSE. Many people collect things that are common and low valued.
    Marc2501 said:

    TLG are destroying the collectible value. TLG, please Learn from Ferrari or Rolex, they keep the offer limited and so they create their enormous and powerful brand.

    Ferrari re-release very similar cars, with different product numbers, year after year to keep up with demand. Same with Rolex and their watches.

    Plus LEGO doesn't sell collectables. They sell toys.

    Marc2501 said:

    I mean, Lego should produce normal sets like police stations etc. at high levels, but the exclusive sets should be limited AND NEVER DO RERELEASES, like the name "exclusive and rare" itself says.

    "Exclusive" means limited to a certain number of retailers. It doesn't mean that they will never produce something similar in future. Of course they should do re-releases at a time when it makes sense. They released an OT MF 10 years ago. Many people are now into LEGO and SW and cannot buy one from LEGO. The time is now right to sell an updated version, to tie in with the new film franchise.

    This doesn't change the old one. It is still exclusive in that it was only sold (on the primary market) through LEGO stores/[email protected]

    Plus where does this name "exclusive and rare" come from? I have never seen LEGO advertise a retail set like that. It is just something you have made up.

    Marc2501 said:

    With high priced limited exclusive sets they create the high market brand and value to promote and boost selling of the normal sets.

    This is exactly what they are doing now. Releasing a high priced exclusive set (sold only through LEGO Stores and [email protected]) which ties in with the new SW franchise to promote selling the normal sets.
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  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 19,135
    Jackad7 said:
    Like I said earlier I read in an article that TLG had stopped production. Like you mentioned this set seems to be massively popular even beyond the normal lego community. If you can get any I would pick them up.
    Ask yourself about the journalistic integrity of where you are reading it. Some people read "temporarily out of stock" or "on back order" and assume that production has stopped and state that as fact.
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  • sid3windrsid3windr BelgiumMember Posts: 1,452
    The Saturn set is not discontinued, this was specifically debunked by a LEGO employee, referring to those exact rumours being posted.

    Also, it's readily available in most LEGO stores around Europe if my Facebook wall is to be believed...
    stlux
  • stluxstlux LuxembourgMember Posts: 2,360
    @Jackad7 After TLG had already confirmed in July that Saturn V would be available well into 2018, some people were either
    • demonstrating they have the proverbial memory of a goldfish
    • malicious in spreading rumours for clicks
    Neither option is reflecting well on those people.

    So echoing @CCC and @sid3windr, I'll repost here Hasan Jensen's (LEGO Ideas Team) statement I posted in the Saturn V thread on Sept 01:
    It has come to our attention that rumours have again surfaced claiming that the LEGO® Ideas 21309 NASA Apollo Saturn V has been retired from production. As communicated in our July 11 blog post, we would like to re-assure you and the rest of our fans that the LEGO Ideas 21309 NASA Apollo Saturn V set has NOT been retired and will not be retiring anytime soon either, as we wish to offer the chance for many more fans to get the opportunity to purchase a copy of the set. Although we fully acknowledge and understand the frustrations of our fans who have been waiting to purchase this set, please know that our teams are working tirelessly to ensure that the set will be available as soon as possible. 
    There's plenty of other sets to discuss in this thread. No need to add Saturn V to the mix on what seems to be a regular basis, unless there's an appetite to discuss a potential 2018 retirement date. Q1? Q2? Q3? Q4? 2019?
    BumblepantsSumoLegoOnebricktoomanyCCClego007
  • Jackad7Jackad7 Wisconsin Member Posts: 535
    @stlux I've mentioned it twice and one of those times Someobody else brought it up. Not sure how that is bringing it up "on a regular basis" just trying to help by relaying what I read.
  • KlintanKlintan SwedenMember Posts: 52
    Saturn V is available for backorder at [email protected] Europe.
  • datsunrobbiedatsunrobbie West Haven , CTMember Posts: 1,583
    https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/tag/d/lego-star-warsmillennium/6301316480.html

    #10179 for sale in NYC for at least $500. Not mine, just posting for reference. Was posted to craigslist two days before release of #75192. Anybody seeing similar sales?
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