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Predictions on Discontinuing Sets and their Secondary Market Value

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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,183
    ^ Hmmm...  I suppose we should assume that the new GB is going to track better Internationally?  I find this incredibly puzzling and a strange bit of marketing for Playmobil.

    Aside from the BMW license a decade ago, has Playmobil ventured into licensed properties?

    (Does anyone care?)

    Admittedly, I was confused with the Angry Birds licensing, but that franchise is atleast geared toward kids and has broad appeal.  I'm not seeing that in the least with GB.

    Perhaps we'll see a Playmobil Harry Potter line that I can also wholeheartedly ignore.

    catwrangler
  • brickupdatebrickupdate Member Posts: 1,020
    Wow -- isn't that bold new territory for Playmobil -- licensing?! And of all brands to start with, why Ghostbusters? 
  • Ma1234Ma1234 Member Posts: 693
    SumoLego said:
    ^ Hmmm...  I suppose we should assume that the new GB is going to track better Internationally?  I find this incredibly puzzling and a strange bit of marketing for Playmobil.

    Aside from the BMW license a decade ago, has Playmobil ventured into licensed properties?



    Playmobil has two current licenses, NHL and Porsche. This is the third.

    Also, the license is based on the original movie, not the new movie. 

    I collect Playmobil, too (not to the extent of LEGO), so I'm excited to see what they come up with. Playmobil makes better "playsets" than LEGO, which might suit Ghostbusters well. 
    pharmjod
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,822
    It's hard to tell whether this would affect the LEGO Group's Ghostbusters licensing situation at all. Playmobil is a major competitor of LEGO (or at least, they like to think of themselves that way), but they're not really in the building toy category. So for all we know this is no different than, say, how LEGO makes Batman building sets even though Fisher Price/Imaginext makes Batman playsets.
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,183
    They're competitors in a greater sense of the children's toy market, but they are definitely in a different segment.

    It just strikes me as a odd choice.
    catwranglerVorpalRyu
  • LyichirLyichir United StatesMember Posts: 746
    Ma1234 said:
    Playmobil got a Ghostubsters license. I bet existing LEGO sets are carved out, but I certainly wouldn't expect the theme to expand. 


    I don't think that Playmobil getting the license says anything about the Lego theme's future. Playmobil may be another major player in the European toy market, but it's not even technically a building toy—which means that they could presumably license Ghostbusters even if Lego's license were indeed exclusive for the market of building toys, just like how Mattel can continue to make Ghostbusters action figures, Funko can make Ghostbusters vinyl figurines, and Hasbro can make Ghostbusters Mr. Potato Heads.
  • Ma1234Ma1234 Member Posts: 693
    Lyichir said:
    Ma1234 said:
    Playmobil got a Ghostubsters license. I bet existing LEGO sets are carved out, but I certainly wouldn't expect the theme to expand. 


    I don't think that Playmobil getting the license says anything about the Lego theme's future. Playmobil may be another major player in the European toy market, but it's not even technically a building toy—which means that they could presumably license Ghostbusters even if Lego's license were indeed exclusive for the market of building toys, just like how Mattel can continue to make Ghostbusters action figures, Funko can make Ghostbusters vinyl figurines, and Hasbro can make Ghostbusters Mr. Potato Heads.
    I am absolutely aware of that. I consider the two to be competing brands. I would say that Playmobil is bar none LEGO's biggest competitor, although for Americans it's harder to see where the toys don't have the popularity they have in Europe. 
  • AustinPowersAustinPowers GermanyMember Posts: 278
    edited June 2016
    Regarding pricing, I also have to deal with 6% sales tax and I find it obnoxious, but it is what it is.
    Obnoxious? 6% is laughable. Over here it is 19%, and some European countries have even far higher rates at 25% (especially, but not exclusively, the Scandinavian countries) or even 27% in Hungary.
    brumey
  • AustinPowersAustinPowers GermanyMember Posts: 278
    edited June 2016
    Ma1234 said:
    Lyichir said:
    I don't think that Playmobil getting the license says anything about the Lego theme's future. Playmobil may be another major player in the European toy market, but it's not even technically a building toy—which means that they could presumably license Ghostbusters even if Lego's license were indeed exclusive for the market of building toys, just like how Mattel can continue to make Ghostbusters action figures, Funko can make Ghostbusters vinyl figurines, and Hasbro can make Ghostbusters Mr. Potato Heads.
    I am absolutely aware of that. I consider the two to be competing brands. I would say that Playmobil is bar none LEGO's biggest competitor, although for Americans it's harder to see where the toys don't have the popularity they have in Europe. 


    Over here, definitely. Lego and Playmobil both have a very high popularity and are bought by basically the same demographic, for a very similar reason. Even though Playmobil is not a building toy as much as Lego, it is still kind of. Some Playmobil stuff is modular and can be combined or built in different ways using parts from various sets. Of course parts are not as universally interchangeable as with Lego, but still. Also, both Lego and Playmobil are in a similar price range and have the same perceived image of high quality. Versus for example Mattel stuff or other more (to most Europeans) unknown brands that are seen as "yet another cheap chinese plastic crap".

    Otoh, Playmobil doesn't offer anything for an AFOL-like market.

    catwranglerDiggydoes
  • brumeybrumey AustriaMember Posts: 994
    are there AFOP's  ?
  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,814
    edited June 2016
    Yeah, there are collector websites with a lot of information going back many years, much like what you see for Lego. I'm not as familiar with those, but I had to dig into one recently when I was trying to find out the number for a set (do they call them sets?) I had when I was a kid...

    EDIT:

    Yep, I'd say they're a lot like us:
    http://www.playmofriends.com/forum/index.php?topic=15323.0
  • eggsheneggshen Middleton, WIMember Posts: 540
    SumoLego said:
    ^ Hmmm...  I suppose we should assume that the new GB is going to track better Internationally?  I find this incredibly puzzling and a strange bit of marketing for Playmobil.

    I heard a theory recently that Hollywood is targeting China and Russia as their main markets now. Those countries have a new emerging middle class with disposable income that didn't grow up with the original ghostbusters (and other pop culture stories). 

    I think you can expect a continuation of sequels, reboots, and rehashes for at least the next couple of years until those markets also get sick of the crap movies. I also hear that 3D is HUGE in China so you can expect that to continue as well. I personally hate action scenes in movies that were shot specifically for 3D effects.

    We also do Playmobil in my family so this will be cool for us.
    catwrangler
  • catwranglercatwrangler Northern IrelandMember Posts: 1,814
    Hated theme? Check. (Super 4)
    The dilemma of greater sophistication versus a back-to-basics approach? Check. 
    Demand that the company cater more to adult fans? Check. 
    Special nickname for the figures? Check. (Klickies!)
    Unease over themes that feel strongly gendered in their marketing? Check.

    My god, it's like looking into a parallel universe... and that's just the first page of the thread! Truly, beneath the plastic, we are all siblings...

    Damn it. Now I want to collect Playmobil more seriously. I have been fending off the purchase of that discounted medieval hay cart on Argos for MONTHS...
  • brumeybrumey AustriaMember Posts: 994
    that asian fortress with the samurai and dragons can be had at a discount currently!

    speaking of playmobil
    catwrangler
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,404
    Regarding pricing, I also have to deal with 6% sales tax and I find it obnoxious, but it is what it is.
    Obnoxious? 6% is laughable. Over here it is 19%, and some European countries have even far higher rates at 25% (especially, but not exclusively, the Scandinavian countries) or even 27% in Hungary.
    Of course the irony of this is that the sheeple keep electing those that continue putting these burdens on their back. It's like living in Kevin Bacon world..."Thank you sir...may I have another?"
  • Bricklover18Bricklover18 PA, USAMember Posts: 720
    Plus that 6% is only on unnecessary items.  Food and clothes in PA are tax exempt.  That's why we tend to get a lot of Canadians and out of state people at our outlet malls. 
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,183
    Also - not to turn this into a discussion of taxation - but I would presume that spots where there are use/sales tax rates of 25%, the income tax is probably (?) significantly lower.  

    In the US, most sales/use taxes are lower (10% or lower) but the income tax rate is around 33%.  
  • SithLord196SithLord196 Member Posts: 1,154
    I wouldn't find the sales tax as obnoxious if I thought the state government was actually efficiently using those funds, however that is an argument for a different place than here. I am well aware it could be worse. 

    I used to be interested in Playmobil as a kid but never had any. Near me you can only find them at TRU usually. Sometimes the little toy stores that pop up near Christmas will have some too.


  • TigerMothTigerMoth Member Posts: 2,343
    edited June 2016
    SumoLego said:
    Also - not to turn this into a discussion of taxation - but I would presume that spots where there are use/sales tax rates of 25%, the income tax is probably (?) significantly lower. 
    Not necessarily. What tends to be different are the benefits - European "sales tax" (VAT) might be higher, but something like UHC is fairly standard in most countries.
    AanchirSumoLego
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 5,947
    You know it is a slow Lego news month when we resort to discussing taxes. Wake me up when something retires or the Winter train leaks.
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  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,404
    ^Wow...you got me thinking about Lego again bringing up the Winter Train set. I'm really pumped up for that one!
  • prevereprevere North of Bellville, East of Heartlake, South of Bricksburg, West of Ninjago City Member Posts: 2,878
    I think the winter train could ignite a lot of new interest into the winter village theme. Maybe enough for LEGO to keep 3 sets active at the same time. Santa's workshop could be out for awhile longer.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,183
    You know it is a slow Lego news month when we resort to discussing taxes. Wake me up when something retires or the Winter train leaks.
    I can't quite find a Tina Turner song to make taxes sound as sexy as Brexit.

    (Maybe 'Proud Mary', but I just don't have the energy, or patience.)

    Also, you said: 'Winter train leaks'.
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  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 5,947
    SumoLego said:
    You know it is a slow Lego news month when we resort to discussing taxes. Wake me up when something retires or the Winter train leaks.
    I can't quite find a Tina Turner song to make taxes sound as sexy as Brexit.

    (Maybe 'Proud Mary', but I just don't have the energy, or patience.)

    Also, you said: 'Winter train leaks'.
    Correction. I said "The winter train leaks". That matters.
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  • brumeybrumey AustriaMember Posts: 994
    tax is dependent on how much you profit
  • ryjayryjay Member Posts: 1,001
    Wow -- isn't that bold new territory for Playmobil -- licensing?! And of all brands to start with, why Ghostbusters? 
    Playmobile also picked up a NHL license.  This past year they released some Toronto Mable Leaf figures and goalies.
  • eggsheneggshen Middleton, WIMember Posts: 540
    #70751 Temple of Airjitzu is available at [email protected] with a bonus of 500 VIP points. Any thoughts on this being the beginning of the end for this set? That's a pretty good deal with a limit of 5.
  • VorpalRyuVorpalRyu AustraliaMember Posts: 2,261
    Hated theme? Check. (Super 4)
    The dilemma of greater sophistication versus a back-to-basics approach? Check. 
    Demand that the company cater more to adult fans? Check. 
    Special nickname for the figures? Check. (Klickies!)
    Unease over themes that feel strongly gendered in their marketing? Check.

    My god, it's like looking into a parallel universe... and that's just the first page of the thread! Truly, beneath the plastic, we are all siblings...
    Scary stuff... Felt like I should have heard the Twilight Zone theme as I read...
    catwrangler
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,183
    edited July 2016
    And this is a Lego Ben 10.



    Thankfully, there is no Lego Big Ben 10, or 'the' Big Ben 10.  To my knowledge, there is only a Ben Folds Five.  They are not Big, nor Lego, nor worthy of 'the'.

    Only Thor is worthy.  Meow meow!

    Good day!
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  • cloaked7cloaked7 Member Posts: 1,448
    You all crack me up . So witty!  :-)
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,822
    SumoLego said:
    And this is a Lego Ben 10.

    Thankfully, there is no Lego Big Ben 10, or 'the' Big Ben 10.
    I dunno, the LEGO Ben 10 figures were fairly big — compared to minifigures, at least.
    Lyichir
  • Legopassion8Legopassion8 North CarolinaMember Posts: 1,181
    When I'm depressed, I watch unedited 2 Live Crew videos on YouTube.

    ....then I'm not so depressed anymore. Proceed to the next post.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 18,023
    I wonder if the long term value of the DFB series was hit last night with Germany going out. I imagine that more people would want them in future if they were the eventual winners of Euro 2016.
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  • YodaliciousYodalicious DagobahMember Posts: 1,366
    ^ Agreed, but limited is limited. They probably took a hit, but should be alright long term. 
  • goshe7goshe7 Columbus, Ohio, USAMember Posts: 515
    CCC said:
    I wonder if the long term value of the DFB series was hit last night with Germany going out. I imagine that more people would want them in future if they were the eventual winners of Euro 2016.
    They are probably close to worthless now...  anybody want to sell me a set?  :)
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 18,023
    I'm sure they'll be worth more than RRP. What I really hope is that lego saw how quickly they sold out and act on it for WC 2018.
    Bumblepantsgoshe7
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,183
    Team GB didn't see a decrease in value based on their Olympic performance.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 18,023
    ^ It was the most successful Olympics for Great Britain since 1908. I know of a few people that have sets of the minifigs that aren't into lego, bought because of the Olympics, not as they are lego.
  • ryjayryjay Member Posts: 1,001
    edited July 2016
    CCC said:
    I wonder if the long term value of the DFB series was hit last night with Germany going out. I imagine that more people would want them in future if they were the eventual winners of Euro 2016.
    It will be interesting to see how they are valued in the future.  With most professional sports figures they only seem to hold their value when relevant and current.  We'll see if Lego CMF can buck that trend.
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,404
    I think the Olympic CMF minifigs have a lot of appeal to non-UK residents. First, they tie in to the Olympics making them more universal. Second, the series represents a variety of sports; not just one. Third, there are only nine minifigs making them cheaper and easier to acquire (at least when they were available).

    The DFB series is less universal, ties in to a specific sport, and includes a total of sixteen minifigs. I think the aftermarket appreciation of the DFB series will be more dependent on their rarity than it will on their desirability. I do admit picking up a few DFB minifigs on BL for my minifig display case, but do not intend to acquire any more.
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,183
    ^^ Are you suggesting my Antoine Walker NBA minifigure isn't going to hold its value?
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  • ryjayryjay Member Posts: 1,001
    SumoLego said:
    ^^ Are you suggesting my Antoine Walker NBA minifigure isn't going to hold its value?
    Depends....do you still have the card with it? :)
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,183
    But, of course.  Gem Mint 10!
    ryjaybobabricks
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,886
    SumoLego said:
    ^^ Are you suggesting my Antoine Walker NBA minifigure isn't going to hold its value?
    Probably more to a Kentucky fan like me =)
    SumoLego
  • ReesesPiecesReesesPieces Member Posts: 831
    SumoLego said:
    ^^ Are you suggesting my Antoine Walker NBA minifigure isn't going to hold its value?
    Probably be worth as much as the real Antoine walker.
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  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 12,183
    ^ Sadly, that is probably true.
  • crnkcrnk Member Posts: 6
    edited July 2016
    Was flying through Sao Paulo last week and picked up a number of 40225 the Rio Olympic Mascots.  Anybody have thoughts on the market for those?
    Info/considerations: 197 pcs, about $40 USD, only sold in Brazil, only sold at olympics stores.
    My thoughts: it isn't a great set, high price per piece with common elements, but it is hard to get a hold of, and there should be a niche market for it.  I assume production will be pretty low and should be a short availability (available from May/June until ??? [November?]).
  • prevereprevere North of Bellville, East of Heartlake, South of Bricksburg, West of Ninjago City Member Posts: 2,878
    edited July 2016
    I think if I wait long enough the Doc Brown Dimensions pack will eventually be free. I've never seen a set on Amazon drop 2-3 cents every day for about 2 weeks straight before.
    Pitfall69davetheoxygenman
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