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  • nkx1nkx1 Member Posts: 719
    The retirement of #9398 should be good news for the resale prices of #41999, considering #41999 will have no cheaper substitute now.
  • BillybrownBillybrown Member Posts: 748
    nkx1 said:

    The retirement of #9398 should be good news for the resale prices of #41999, considering #41999 will have no cheaper substitute now.

    Will be interesting to see what happens on that one, I can see #41999 rising a little but not significantly as I think it will be a while before #9398 is 2 x RRP.

    nkx1
  • DadDad Member Posts: 816
    I actually think the gap could close. I think #9398 could get to £200 pretty quickly because the other option is £275+. But in saying that I haven't invested any money in them other than the obligatory 2 so I'm clearly not over confident. And my #41999's can go tomorrow if someone pays £260 cash. There's better sets to have your money tied up in as we already know.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Member Posts: 10,836
    Am I the only one that feels a 'meh' when hearing that #9398 is sold out?
    Maybe it is because of the whole #41999 circus.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    I have a small stack of #9398, purchased for $160 or less, I see that set profiting a hundred dollars or so, a year or two post EOL.

    Not a superstar, but it won't be a loser...

    That being said, it isn't a volume product, so it isn't something you want tons of. I think I have 12 of them.
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    ^I hope you're correct! I only have a couple, but purchased those before #41999 came out. I haven't even been tempted to try and built it, and that's saying something for such a large set.
  • rocaorocao Administrator Posts: 4,290
    nkx1 said:

    The retirement of #9398 should be good news for the resale prices of #41999, considering #41999 will have no cheaper substitute now.

    There will still be a cheaper substitute -- secondary market #9398s :)

    I think #9398 will do fine, although the sales volume will be low. It won't command the premium that #41999 will, but it's still a fun, RC car. The value proposition of the unit cost alone makes it a pretty safe bet.
  • nkx1nkx1 Member Posts: 719
    ^Haha, good point. I guess I meant no cheaper substitute readily available for at or under retail price (although I could be wrong if aftermarket prices of 9398 are below retail)!
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    Farmer_John said:

    ^I hope you're correct! I only have a couple, but purchased those before #41999 came out. I haven't even been tempted to try and built it, and that's saying something for such a large set.

    It is, in my personal opinion, well worth building... While there is a lot of 2x, because the front and back drive sets are the same, it really is very cool to see what some LEGO parts and Technic parts can make.

    It isn't fast, but it has lots of torque and drives in the grass just fine, which is nice to see.

    For the $160 or so that it is going right now, I would build it again, knowing what I know now.
    Farmer_John
  • BrickarmorBrickarmor Member Posts: 1,258
    ^I really enjoyed that build too. Very flexible and responsive suspension, much better than the Unimog in my opinion. We built it last month and plowed it over, under, and through the mountains of air bags supplied courtesy of S@H's packers.

    Speaking of, our dear friend Tower Bridge is (already) available again on US S@H.
  • JamesJTJamesJT Member Posts: 440
    #10937 sold out on UK S@H.
  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 3,170
    ^ 15% off and an extra 10% instore at this morning's event/online VIP purchase could be the main reason.
  • SuperTrampSuperTramp Member Posts: 1,021
    Says OOS for me with expected ship date of 9th December
  • bp10030bp10030 Member Posts: 102
    Set HE #10233 listed with "sold out" at S@H EU as well as AA #10937
  • stevemackstevemack Member Posts: 934
    Interesting.... So as these were preview deals for the coming friday, there's none left for anyone else :)
  • makmak Member Posts: 300
    #10233 is OOS in the UK
  • BillybrownBillybrown Member Posts: 748
    edited November 2014
    stevemack said:

    Interesting.... So as these were preview deals for the coming friday, there's none left for anyone else :)

    Unless they are holding stock back for Friday?

  • piratemania7piratemania7 Member Posts: 2,146
    Back to the Mixer for a moment; just picked up my second copy yesterday which will spur building of the first. From what I've heard the design and building techniques used here are spectacular. This might not be a "hole in one" for investors and resellers alike but for a personal collection/building I've already gathered this is a huge winner.

    If it's true that this ends up being an ongoing theme like WV I have no doubt the aftermarket value will look great for this set.
    ThirdBuckEyeparadisiaFarmer_JohnbrickupdateFollowsClosely
  • matticus_bricksmatticus_bricks Member Posts: 651
    At the last minute, I decided to order an #10937 Arkham Asylum last night (US, so no discount, but I did have $60 in VIP points to spend), as the free set and double VIP points was probably the best we'll get on this set here. Now I can't decide if I want to build it, because I do like it, or hold onto it for resale. Does anyone have any ideas for potential aftermarket value?
  • SuperTrampSuperTramp Member Posts: 1,021
    Horizon Express listed has "sold out" on UK S@H

  • BrickarmorBrickarmor Member Posts: 1,258
    ^^I predict AA will go up. :P

    Seriously, if you like it, build it. In a year or two, if you so choose, you'll be able to sell it used/complete for at least what you paid.
    JamesJTmadforLEGOmargot
  • ShpadoinkleShpadoinkle Member Posts: 420
    After literally sitting in my shopping bag for ten hours yesterday I pulled the trigger on the EEE at 11:15PM. I love ships, I hate stickers, but the thought of it retiring and paying aftermarket prices on it was just too much for me. It's not available anywhere else and so double points and a free set are the best I'm going to do.

    Man I haven't agonized over a decision that much in long time!
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    matticus_bricks said:

    At the last minute, I decided to order an #10937 Arkham Asylum last night (US, so no discount, but I did have $60 in VIP points to spend), as the free set and double VIP points was probably the best we'll get on this set here. Now I can't decide if I want to build it, because I do like it, or hold onto it for resale. Does anyone have any ideas for potential aftermarket value?

    Why did you use your VIP points on a purchase that you are getting Double VIP points for?

    Farmer_JohndougtsFollowsClosely
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    Well, S@H is currently showing ALL three 2014 advent calendars as sold out. They are: #41040, #60063, and #75056. The moral of this story is that you now have to purchase Seasonal Christmas sets during the month of October (double VIP points) for the best deal you're going to get before they're gone.

    Nota Bene: I did see the 2014 Friends Advent calendar in our local Lego store yesterday, but neither of the other two (I wasn't looking too hard).
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    Pitfall69 said:

    Why did you use your VIP points on a purchase that you are getting Double VIP points for?

    Yep...getting the most out of those hard-earned VIP points is an art.

    I don't think they were offering double VIP points until next weekend via S@H, so perhaps he didn't want to risk missing out on the AA. Just a guess...
  • matticus_bricksmatticus_bricks Member Posts: 651
    Pitfall69 said:

    matticus_bricks said:

    At the last minute, I decided to order an #10937 Arkham Asylum last night (US, so no discount, but I did have $60 in VIP points to spend), as the free set and double VIP points was probably the best we'll get on this set here. Now I can't decide if I want to build it, because I do like it, or hold onto it for resale. Does anyone have any ideas for potential aftermarket value?

    Why did you use your VIP points on a purchase that you are getting Double VIP points for?

    Because I am poor and could not afford it otherwise. -_- And yes, not risking missing out and all.
    PoochymadforLEGOBrickaholicBlueTacoEKSamFollowsClosely
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    matticus_bricks said:

    Pitfall69 said:

    matticus_bricks said:

    At the last minute, I decided to order an #10937 Arkham Asylum last night (US, so no discount, but I did have $60 in VIP points to spend), as the free set and double VIP points was probably the best we'll get on this set here. Now I can't decide if I want to build it, because I do like it, or hold onto it for resale. Does anyone have any ideas for potential aftermarket value?

    Why did you use your VIP points on a purchase that you are getting Double VIP points for?

    Because I am poor and could not afford it otherwise. -_- And yes, not risking missing out and all.
    Totally understand that. I was just wondering.

  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    edited November 2014
    matticus_bricks said:

    Pitfall69 said:

    matticus_bricks said:

    At the last minute, I decided to order an #10937 Arkham Asylum last night (US, so no discount, but I did have $60 in VIP points to spend), as the free set and double VIP points was probably the best we'll get on this set here. Now I can't decide if I want to build it, because I do like it, or hold onto it for resale. Does anyone have any ideas for potential aftermarket value?

    Why did you use your VIP points on a purchase that you are getting Double VIP points for?

    Because I am poor and could not afford it otherwise. -_- And yes, not risking missing out and all.
    To amass $60 in VIP points, you had to have previously spent somewhere between $600 - $1200 with Lego directly. That's a strange definition of poor.
    Pitfall69FollowsCloselyMathBuildergmpirate
  • littlepuppilittlepuppi Member Posts: 181
    Could have taken him years, Christ cannot believe some people will jump on any comment..
    dougtsLostInTranslationmatticus_bricksEKSamhewmanDougoutxeeeejmathew
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor Member Posts: 3,937
    edited November 2014
    You might possibly be right. Like you, I simply made an observation of but one in a myriad of possibilities.

    Speaking of jumping on a comment, sheesh.
  • pcironepcirone Member Posts: 346
    edited November 2014
    (pass the popcorn please)
    Pitfall69dougtsJP3804MathBuilder
  • tamamahmtamamahm Member Posts: 1,987
    edited November 2014
    Pitfall69 said:

    matticus_bricks said:

    At the last minute, I decided to order an #10937 Arkham Asylum last night (US, so no discount, but I did have $60 in VIP points to spend), as the free set and double VIP points was probably the best we'll get on this set here. Now I can't decide if I want to build it, because I do like it, or hold onto it for resale. Does anyone have any ideas for potential aftermarket value?

    Why did you use your VIP points on a purchase that you are getting Double VIP points for?

    I think sometimes it comes down to whether one wants the immediate savings or if one is willing to wait. I usually make the evaluation for where things are currently at. Usually I choose the larger discount by not using VIP during 2x points, but in this case I did use my VIP savings simply because I already am buying for multiple people this month, so I wanted the immediate savings for this month. It did mean I lost $1.50 in savings I could have had by waiting, but I was willing to bypass an extra $1.50 by using my VIP now...

    Pitfall69
  • matticus_bricksmatticus_bricks Member Posts: 651
    That was about a years worth of points, having taken advantage of double points offers and such. I'm not really "poor", I'm just still a student, so I have a limited budget for these things, which I admittedly ignore sometimes (thus resulting in lots of VIP points). Spread out over a year, it's not as much spending as it seems, it just doesn't always leave the opportunity to spend a whole $160 at the drop of a hat, that's all I meant. Sorry for any confusion.
  • BrickarmorBrickarmor Member Posts: 1,258
    Getting nearer to topic, it's slightly interesting that nothing went OOS with the VIP sale yesterday in the US, though the discounts in Europe cleaned some out. If (and it seems likely) the BF sale items are going to be lackluster, and probably no 2x VIP again, it'd be nice to at least have something like the $15 off $150 we had a few years ago.
    Pitfall69
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    TheLoneTensor said:

    matticus_bricks said:

    Pitfall69 said:

    matticus_bricks said:

    At the last minute, I decided to order an #10937 Arkham Asylum last night (US, so no discount, but I did have $60 in VIP points to spend), as the free set and double VIP points was probably the best we'll get on this set here. Now I can't decide if I want to build it, because I do like it, or hold onto it for resale. Does anyone have any ideas for potential aftermarket value?

    Why did you use your VIP points on a purchase that you are getting Double VIP points for?

    Because I am poor and could not afford it otherwise. -_- And yes, not risking missing out and all.
    To amass $60 in VIP points, you had to have previously spent somewhere between $600 - $1200 with Lego directly. That's a strange definition of poor.
    littlepuppi said:

    Could have taken him years, Christ cannot believe some people will jump on any comment..

    VIP Points expire on December 31st two years after the year in which they were earned, so you wouldn't be able to amass a ton of VIP points over several years. With that said; we all just need to chill (me included) on comments of this nature. I-m not making excuses, but this is a forum and sometimes it is hard to NOT speak your mind ;) My original comment was just inquiring as to why one would use VIP points. I'm sorry such a big deal was made out of your purchase :)

    I would have done the same thing if I felt I would miss out on a set :) AA is a great set and I'm sure it will be a winner in the Aftermarket.
    BrickaholicEKSamdougtsmatticus_bricksTheLoneTensor
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    Brickarmor said:

    Getting nearer to topic, it's slightly interesting that nothing went OOS with the VIP sale yesterday in the US, though the discounts in Europe cleaned some out. If (and it seems likely) the BF sale items are going to be lackluster, and probably no 2x VIP again, it'd be nice to at least have something like the $15 off $150 we had a few years ago.

    I like that kind of discount. It gets around the No Discounts on Exclusives and it is actually money off your purchase as opposed to Double VIP Points. Unless there are some decent sales, I'm not going to be indulging in Lego this Black Friday.

  • CupIsHalfEmptyCupIsHalfEmpty Member Posts: 545
    I love and hate the Mixer.

    Lego's offering of amusement park rides has been all over the place, a "UCS" carousel, a portable Mixer, and a non minifigure scale Ferris Wheel. The two that have retired have gone up in value exponentially. So I imagine the Mixer will to. If the Mixer becomes part of a theme of "Travelling" rides, then I imagine it will be a gold mine similar to toy shop in the Winter Village sets. If not, well then it will just slowly climb.

    And after building a version of @gijserman 's rollercoaster I can't see Lego ever making one. It would just have to be way to big in minifg scale, and at any scale would require many custom pieces.

    Here's a picture of them all for reference.
    sidersddPitfall69
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    I can't put either the Mixer or the Ferris Wheel in the same class as the Grand Carousel. They both pale in comparison. When operating, the Grand Carousel blows them both away. Yes it was more expensive, but that is one of the reasons why you cannot put the Grand Carousel in the same category.
  • ericbericb Member Posts: 110
    ^Who cares if they're not in the same class? The carousels I've seen are usually very detailed, while these throw-up rides are not. I'd say both are good representations of their real-life counterparts.
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    edited November 2014
    CupIsHalfEmpty said:

    I love and hate the Mixer.

    Sounds to me like you may have a problem with carnies, circus folk, and nomads. Is it because they smell like cabbage and have small hands?
    thenosPitfall69pharmjodBumblepantswagnerml2LostInTranslationjasor
  • nkx1nkx1 Member Posts: 719
    The Fairground Mixer looks sort of junky to me (regardless of whether or not that was the design intent), and I was somewhat surprised to learn that some people actually like the set quite a bit. I don't see much aftermarket potential in this set at all, and I can definitely see it being another Medieval Market Village. Hopefully I'm wrong, though, and all the people who invest in this set make money!
  • legoboy1066legoboy1066 Member Posts: 130
    is the lego 9398 retired?
  • pcironepcirone Member Posts: 346
    edited November 2014
    legoboy1066 said:

    is the lego 9398 retired?

    I would say no, currently in stock (USA) at Amazon, Target, TRU and SaH. Soon though.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    ericb said:

    ^Who cares if they're not in the same class? The carousels I've seen are usually very detailed, while these throw-up rides are not. I'd say both are good representations of their real-life counterparts.

    Don't be so hostile. I'm not comparing real-life amusement rides. I'm comparing Lego sets. The Fairground Mixer and Ferris Wheel Lego sets are not in the same class as the Grand Carousel. It is like comparing the Lego Star Wars system sets with their UCS counterparts. The Ferris Wheel isn't even Minifigure scale.

    DougoutEKSam
  • BastaBasta Member Posts: 1,259
    edited November 2014
    CupIsHalfEmpty said:

    And after building a version of @gijserman 's rollercoaster I can't see Lego ever making one. It would just have to be way to big in minifg scale, and at any scale would require many custom pieces.

    TLG doing a full size coaster is may be unlikely, but I could see them doing something like this:

    image

    Obviously it would not be as awesome as a large one, but if they could at least make some curves, arch and straight track pieces it would give us the opportunity to buy multiples and MOC a much larger coaster.

  • DougoutDougout Member Posts: 888
    ^That would be cool. I just hope my knees don't ache while building it.
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John Member Posts: 2,405
    A full sized Lego roller coaster is way past due in my opinion. It's the type of set that purchasers would buy multiple copies of...if only to have a roller coaster that circles entire rooms. Plus it would be a no-brainer for buyers to purchase additional power function and controls from TLG to have fancier configurations. JMO...
    Pitfall69cardgenius
  • DougoutDougout Member Posts: 888
    If Lego releases a roller coaster, I would have to get a minimum of two copies on release day :)
    FollowsClosely
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 Member Posts: 11,454
    It is one of those things that you can watch forever; just like those contraptions on peoples desks.
  • pumperxpumperx Member Posts: 106
    I have a few #10222 on hand, do you guys think it will continue to go up or it is pretty much topped out?
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