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Predictions on Discontinuing Sets and their Secondary Market Value

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  • BillybrownBillybrown UKMember Posts: 748
    Diggydoes said:

    Is it just me or is Horizon Express very, very "meh"? I can't find it in myself to commit to buying any.

    Isn't this what people said when TH came out? Sure HE is not a modular but i'm sure that any train-enthusiast will want it in his collection!

    The new pattern seems to be: the more "meh"a set is the more likely it is it will retire before anybody expect it due to bad sales ;)

    Since the rumour is out that there will be a another carnival set i guess it makes sense to put some fairground mixers aside! I've the feeling that it's a slow moving set and it can be EOL'ed way ahead of time!!!
    HE and TH remind me of a past relationship. Didn't see the attraction at the same, but sure as hell miss them when they've gone :-)

  • prevereprevere North of Bellville, East of Heartlake, South of Bricksburg, West of Ninjago City Member Posts: 2,876
    How could anyone possibly put the Mixer aside at that price point? Maybe, and it's a distant maybe, that set becomes valuable if they do a rollercoaster and whole theme park series, year-after-year, like Winter Village.
  • DiggydoesDiggydoes Cologne/GermanyMember Posts: 1,076
    prevere said:

    How could anyone possibly put the Mixer aside at that price point? Maybe, and it's a distant maybe, that set becomes valuable if they do a rollercoaster and whole theme park series, year-after-year, like Winter Village.

    And there you have it,nobody buys the Mixer for resale purpose for the above reason,sales are bad,TLG decides to end production,prices sky rocket due to only low stock of hoarded Mixer sets,another carnival themed sets gets released (matching the Mixers "spirit") and boom,you have Cafe Corner II ;)
    CircleKbrickupdatepharmjodDougout
  • wagnerml2wagnerml2 Belleville, IllinoisMember Posts: 1,376
    The Mixer set really only made sense if they were going to push a theme. Think of it, instead of winter village they now have a summer carnival. I think we can expect a new set this May and it will continue into the future.
  • BillybrownBillybrown UKMember Posts: 748
    Bring back Grand Carousel - would look smashing with the mixer.
  • iso3200iso3200 97 miles from Brickset TowersMember Posts: 2,036
    ^^Ferris Wheel is the next set to be released. I would imagine they'll have both sets on the shelf concurrently and sales of one set will help will drive the other. I speculate that it will work a bit like the Winter Village sets do by 2016, one phased out, one phased in, with only two to choose from any one time.
  • DadsAFOLDadsAFOL USAMember Posts: 617
    So many better ideas for an evergreen theme than fairground/amusement park. But I can't fault TLG for trying new things. If they did a roller coaster for 2017 then I might be more interested.
    brickupdatebinaryeye
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,383
    Remember that for some a set is only 'expensive' while it is still in production from LEGO. When it retires and goes up in price that logic sometimes goes out the window.
    The Mixer is a bit pricey IMO but I have to admit it is also a nice set considering you can pack it all up into the semi trucks.
    I was not a huge fan of this set but I think it was more due to the 149.95 USD price tag rather than the design.
    brickupdate
  • tamamahmtamamahm Member Posts: 1,952
    DadsAFOL said:

    So many better ideas for an evergreen theme than fairground/amusement park. But I can't fault TLG for trying new things. If they did a roller coaster for 2017 then I might be more interested.

    I don't fault them for trying new things, but I do fault the implementation of the set for it's sales. It is an amazing implementation, but isn't really one thing or another. It isn't that standalone display set, because so much of the set is pushed towards the ability to transform it, which takes away from it being a display piece. It isn't really a vehicle set either. It is an 'advanced' set, and yet doesn't look advanced in the way PR or DO do. I really, really want to like it, and yet whenever I have seen it, I would rather put my money towards something else.

    I may still get it at some point, because I really would love a carnival set, but I am really 'eh' on it.
  • JamesJTJamesJT Member Posts: 440
    A minifigure scale rollercoaster would also have to fold up on the back of a transporter to be part of the same theme as the mixer. I can't see that happening. Anybody ever heard of a mobile 'coaster?
  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    edited November 2014
    The mixer is a great set. Can't wait for the next in the range
    Lego_Star
  • superstarbeejaysuperstarbeejay Member Posts: 121
    I think fairground mixer has great potential on the aftermarket. It isn't really talked about and has a high price point deterring a lot of buyers. I think this will result in a premature EOL and it is a fairly unique set right now. It is definitely a set that I want to pick up but has been bumped down the priority due to other sets going EOL. If goes fairly quickly then I can see this being the case for lots of people.
  • wagnerml2wagnerml2 Belleville, IllinoisMember Posts: 1,376
    IMO, the design of the Mixer is second to none. I guess I don't really have an issue with the price point after having built the set. I hope any future sets contain the same engineering and design.
    cheshirecatFarmer_JohnparadisiajasorLego_Star
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129

    I think fairground mixer has great potential on the aftermarket. It isn't really talked about and has a high price point deterring a lot of buyers. I think this will result in a premature EOL and it is a fairly unique set right now. It is definitely a set that I want to pick up but has been bumped down the priority due to other sets going EOL. If goes fairly quickly then I can see this being the case for lots of people.

    I don't think it's being talked about simply because it's so early in it's lifespan. I don't think anyone is ignoring it's long term potential though.

    FollowsClosely
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,383
    edited November 2014
    JamesJT said:

    A minifigure scale rollercoaster would also have to fold up on the back of a transporter to be part of the same theme as the mixer. I can't see that happening. Anybody ever heard of a mobile 'coaster?

    They have them, just tiny. http://www.intermarkridegroup.com/used-rides/roller-coasters/coaster-miler-rc1118.html

    You also can have bumper cars as well. Wonder if the designers' heads would explode doing the 'Zipper' in the vein of these sets.
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,404
    wagnerml2 said:

    IMO, the design of the Mixer is second to none. I guess I don't really have an issue with the price point after having built the set. I hope any future sets contain the same engineering and design.

    I agree. It's a very innovative set that allows one to either manually turn it or motorize it. A lot of thought obviously went into its design. I would love to see a full-blown theme around this idea.
  • prevereprevere North of Bellville, East of Heartlake, South of Bricksburg, West of Ninjago City Member Posts: 2,876
    If they're doing another Ferris Wheel than a Carousel isn't fare behind. I just think they need to get to a lower price point for the series. WV prices have fluctuated a little bit, but nothing over $100. Mixer is $150 right out of the gate - tough call for parents at that price.
  • wagnerml2wagnerml2 Belleville, IllinoisMember Posts: 1,376
    Although fairground mixer has 1700+ pieces versus 1200+ for WVM and 1400+ for WVC.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,381
    If they do another carousel, it will be much smaller and less ornate than Grand Carousel. I imagine it would be bigger than the simple one in Winter Village Market.
    ThirdBuckEye
  • mathewmathew Member Posts: 2,096
    The Mixer is another "Exclusive" that probably doesn't sell well due to the lack of discounting.
  • TheLoneTensorTheLoneTensor MericaMember Posts: 3,950
    edited November 2014
    If there is indeed a Ferris Wheel coming, the Mixer is gold. Would be nice if they included the free hot dog cart again (or, and! balloon cart) for the upcoming sales.

    I really hope this is a new trend, that they include set-specific polys with certain models like they have been lately.
  • prevereprevere North of Bellville, East of Heartlake, South of Bricksburg, West of Ninjago City Member Posts: 2,876
    Some new food molds would be nice. The hot dogs are making me sick.
    juggles7
  • wagnerml2wagnerml2 Belleville, IllinoisMember Posts: 1,376
    mathew said:

    The Mixer is another "Exclusive" that probably doesn't sell well due to the lack of discounting.

    WV sets are exclusives. They seem to sell just fine without any discounting. Cheaper price point, but sell well nonetheless.

  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,947
    prevere said:

    Some new food molds would be nice. The hot dogs are making me sick.

    I bet you're looking forward to the next CMF series then :-)
  • mathewmathew Member Posts: 2,096
    wagnerml2 said:

    mathew said:

    The Mixer is another "Exclusive" that probably doesn't sell well due to the lack of discounting.

    WV sets are exclusives. They seem to sell just fine without any discounting. Cheaper price point, but sell well nonetheless.

    Not sure about that. Lego has had to clearance out the past couple of WV sets post-Christmas. I think that they hit a sweet spot with $70 Santa's Workshop.
    madforLEGO
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,947
    They still sold well pre-Xmas, and it makes sense to get rid of seasonal stock that is already in stores / distribution chain rather than having it sitting unsold but costing storage space.
    wagnerml2
  • wagnerml2wagnerml2 Belleville, IllinoisMember Posts: 1,376
    And they did NOT discount WVM last year and it sold just fine.
  • LegoboyLegoboy 100km furtherMember Posts: 8,704
    edited November 2014
    Not to mention they've all been available post Xmas, not just the past couple of years. £16 Toy Shops anyone?
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,404
    edited November 2014
    prevere said:

    Some new food molds would be nice. The hot dogs are making me sick.

    Especially when you see how they're made!
    ThirdBuckEyeprevere
  • dragonhawkdragonhawk USMember Posts: 633
    edited November 2014

    prevere said:

    Some new food molds would be nice. The hot dogs are making me sick.

    Especially when you see how they're made!
    Lol why do you need to see that to come to that conclusion ? What other food is made from chicken, pork, and beef but tastes unlike any of the ingredients ? :D

  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,383
    mathew said:

    wagnerml2 said:

    mathew said:

    The Mixer is another "Exclusive" that probably doesn't sell well due to the lack of discounting.

    WV sets are exclusives. They seem to sell just fine without any discounting. Cheaper price point, but sell well nonetheless.

    Not sure about that. Lego has had to clearance out the past couple of WV sets post-Christmas. I think that they hit a sweet spot with $70 Santa's Workshop.
    I think a pretty good example of no discounts hurting the sale of the WV sets will be seeing what the WVM does. It has not been disocunted in its time out and will need to see if it goes the same time like the previous sets that EOL'd (before Christmas)
    thenos
  • wagnerml2wagnerml2 Belleville, IllinoisMember Posts: 1,376
    ^WVM will be an interesting study, since it is a collection of smaller structures, and not a main structure, it is different from the other WV sets. It's my least favorite of the bunch. There will be many factors that affect its aftermarket value.
    Legoboy
  • ColoradoBricksColoradoBricks Denver, CO, USAMember Posts: 1,642

    What other food is made from chicken, pork, and beef but tastes unlike any of the ingredients ? :D

    You never tried my mother in law's cooking then ;-)
    dragonhawkjuggles7BumblepantsACWWGal2011
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,381
    prevere said:

    Some new food molds would be nice. The hot dogs are making me sick.

    "These pretzels are making me thirsty. " ;)

    juggles7prevereexciter1pharmjod
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,404

    Lol why do you need to see that to come to that conclusion ? What other food is made from chicken, pork, and beef but tastes unlike any of the ingredients ? :D

    Out of morbid curiosity, I once clicked a youtube video on the production of hot dogs. I would rather eat a Lego hot dog than a real one any day. More nutritional too...
  • nkx1nkx1 Member Posts: 719
    ^There's always veggie dogs. Morningstar ones are pretty good, and taste fairly similar to real ones from what I remember. Other brands I've tried are not that good.
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,404
    Well, it appears that the seasonal Lego Snowman #40093 is basically gone. The other seasonal sets will start to follow suit, so get them now if you're interested.
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,404
    The Lego Snowman #40093 moved from "call for availability" to "sold out." My wife's not a huge Lego fan and she had to have the Reindeer set #40092, so I expect it to be next to go...FYI.
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,947
    ^ The joke being they use these two characters on a lot of their Christmas advertising and on the webpage.

    Can you buy them? Nope.
    minicoopers11Steve_J_OM
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,885
    These little animal character sets have been a lot of fun this year. So far I've bought at least one of each with the most recent batch getting 2 or 3 of each. I probably should have purchased 10 or more of them and sold them as a holiday set next year. I think they will easily double or triple in price especially as a set.

    Regardless, I've had fun building them with my little girl.
    LegoKip
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,947
    edited November 2014
    pharmjod said:

    These little animal character sets have been a lot of fun this year. So far I've bought at least one of each with the most recent batch getting 2 or 3 of each. I probably should have purchased 10 or more of them and sold them as a holiday set next year. I think they will easily double or triple in price especially as a set.

    Regardless, I've had fun building them with my little girl.

    Do you mean the Friends ones, or the mixels. For both, I don't see later sets doing so well. Series 1 will be the ones for profit. Although given the low price but bulky packet, much of the price will go on postage.
  • binaryeyebinaryeye USMember Posts: 1,734
    I'm pretty sure @pharmjod‌ is referring to the holiday exclusives:
    #40085 Teddy Bear
    #40086 Bunny
    #40090 Bat
    #40091 Turkey
    #40092 Reindeer
    #40093 Snowman
    pharmjodtamamahm
  • prevereprevere North of Bellville, East of Heartlake, South of Bricksburg, West of Ninjago City Member Posts: 2,876
    I wonder if they just decided to cut back on production with those. In years past, they were ALWAYS clearanced post-holiday for a nice grab. Now, these seems to frequently sell-out prior to the holiday.
  • wagnerml2wagnerml2 Belleville, IllinoisMember Posts: 1,376
    I don't know. Was at the St. Louis store today. They had a whole rack of bats and turkeys, but none of the Christmas ones. perhaps just those were short printed.
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,885
    edited November 2014
    Yes, sorry I wasn't more specific, I was just flowing with the previous two comments above mine. The holiday exclusive animals. I have really enjoyed them.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,383
    wagnerml2 said:

    I don't know. Was at the St. Louis store today. They had a whole rack of bats and turkeys, but none of the Christmas ones. perhaps just those were short printed.

    I think if it is Christmas, it sells, sells a lot, and sells out quickly. Just like the creator Trimming the tree, and Santa's sled polybags were last year.
  • Farmer_JohnFarmer_John USA - 4,035 Miles from 62 West Wallaby St., Wigan, Lancashire, UKMember Posts: 2,404
    edited November 2014
    prevere said:

    I wonder if they just decided to cut back on production with those. In years past, they were ALWAYS clearanced post-holiday for a nice grab. Now, these seems to frequently sell-out prior to the holiday.

    Yep...the past couple of years you've needed to grab the Christmas sets quickly if you wanted one. Looks like this year will be no different. I grabbed the sets I wanted during the October double VIP points sale knowing they would likely not be around for the BF sale.

    Additionally, the second giveaway set (the Skating Rink) doesn't really go with Santa's Workshop. If it did, then it would be important for TLG to have Santa's Workshop available for the BF sale. As it stands, it doesn't need to be and that could be a telling sign that Santa's Workshop may also be gone fairly quickly this year. Just thinking out loud...
  • margotmargot Member Posts: 2,310
    pharmjod said:

    The holiday exclusive animals. I have really enjoyed them.

    The cat ornament is really cute too. Did you get any of those?
    LegoKip
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,885
    @margot I did not. It is a cute ornament, but $7.99 is a little high for what it is.
    MathBuilder
  • bp10030bp10030 europeMember Posts: 102
    Crawler #9398 listed with "sold out" at [email protected] EU
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