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Predictions on Discontinuing Sets and their Secondary Market Value

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  • Pate5346Pate5346 Member Posts: 856
    ^ First one was OK. The other ones I watched just because she was in them.
  • LegoboyLegoboy 100km furtherMember Posts: 8,829
    edited July 2014
    Pitfall69 said:

    Kate Beckinsale is hoooottttttttttt :p

    Lol, she invited me and the kids to watch her shooting in London a couple of weeks ago. Couldn't make it! :o( Party with her next month though! ;o)

    (Not often I get to name-drop)
    StormKittyMathBuilderBrickDancerPitfall69Ronyarcoachie
  • theLEGOmantheLEGOman UKMember Posts: 1,525
    edited July 2014



    Went into Lego Leeds about two weeks ago, noticed none on the shelf spoke to one of the staff who said that's it... Grab it online while you can but I know we have all heard that one before...

    The last 3 were purchased by me and a couple of others in the first few min of opening time on the Friday morning of the 1st birthday.
    Went in yesterday to claim my spaceman and chima free gifts with a £25 spend and noticed they've not appeared back on the shelves, ordered online instead :)

    They told me they were the last 3 they would get. I think Sheffield had only one left at the time and said no more there either.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    Pitfall69 said:

    ^At this point, I would rather have a stack of FB's and GE's than an equivalent stack (in terms of money invested) of SSD's.

    I remember back in 1984 I asked my dad to buy me the G.I. Joe U.S.S. FLAGG. His response was "I'm not pay over $100 for a toy...Besides, where would we put it?". I feel the same way with the SSD.

    Do you know how much a complete U.S.S. Flagg with the box today is worth? :)

    Not just the ship, but all the stuff that came with it...
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    Pitfall69 said:

    ^If I have become my dad; then makes me proud because he defended our country for 23 years, was a successful business owner and a hard worker. He also is the best grandfather any parent would want for their children.

    I wasn't really talking so much about me anyway. I was just thinking what probably most parents are thinking today; especially because of the economic situation in the US.

    Thank your father for his service for me... Sounds like he did well for himself after the service as well, good for him... we need more Americans like that!
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444

    Pitfall69 said:

    ^At this point, I would rather have a stack of FB's and GE's than an equivalent stack (in terms of money invested) of SSD's.

    I remember back in 1984 I asked my dad to buy me the G.I. Joe U.S.S. FLAGG. His response was "I'm not pay over $100 for a toy...Besides, where would we put it?". I feel the same way with the SSD.

    Do you know how much a complete U.S.S. Flagg with the box today is worth? :)

    Not just the ship, but all the stuff that came with it...
    Yes, I do, but it is awfully rare to find one sealed in the box. Most used complete sets go for around $1,000. It has taken 30 years to reach that price though :)

    I actually collect G.I. Joe aircraft and vehicles. I do customs and/or restore them.

    Below are some before and after photos. It is much like completing old Lego sets.

  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,129
    I had the hovercraft, the rattler, and the F-14. Never got the Flagg though...
  • dragonhawkdragonhawk USMember Posts: 633
    I know very little about GI Joe but I saw USS Flagg assembled in Comic Book Men show. That was one impressive piece. I agree they could have added 1 or 2 other figures to the set.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    I didn't mean to throw this thread all off again. At least it is better than a few days ago :)

    I just was trying to compare the FLAGG with the SSD. I know crazy Star Wars collectors will have to have it, but I don't think the general public is that much interested. I think the Death Star has a lot more going for it.
    cheshirecatdougts
  • CoraHarrisonCoraHarrison Member Posts: 242



    Went into Lego Leeds about two weeks ago, noticed none on the shelf spoke to one of the staff who said that's it... Grab it online while you can but I know we have all heard that one before...

    The last 3 were purchased by me and a couple of others in the first few min of opening time on the Friday morning of the 1st birthday.
    Went in yesterday to claim my spaceman and chima free gifts with a £25 spend and noticed they've not appeared back on the shelves, ordered online instead :)

    They told me they were the last 3 they would get. I think Sheffield had only one left at the time and said no more there either.
    Went to Manchester Arndale store today... They had multiple copies on the shelves... Saying that they were still trying to flog off #40086 Easter Bunnies... So I am guessing that shows the popularity of that store... I'm not a local so I wouldn't know.
  • binaryeyebinaryeye USMember Posts: 1,734
    Pitfall69 said:

    I know crazy Star Wars collectors will have to have it, but I don't think the general public is that much interested. I think the Death Star has a lot more going for it.

    I heard the Death Star used as a metaphor on a PBS woodworking show last week.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    binaryeye said:

    Pitfall69 said:

    I know crazy Star Wars collectors will have to have it, but I don't think the general public is that much interested. I think the Death Star has a lot more going for it.

    I heard the Death Star used as a metaphor on a PBS woodworking show last week.
    Ok. Care to share? Lol.

  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    Pitfall69 said:


    I just was trying to compare the FLAGG with the SSD. I know crazy Star Wars collectors will have to have it, but I don't think the general public is that much interested. I think the Death Star has a lot more going for it.

    If I was the general public I would agree, we like star wars, have a few crates of SW lego watch the films regularly and have costumes and lightsabres (for the boys). The death star is amazing, it's fun, it looks good, it looks impressive and is even a little too big. By contrast the SSD is boring, stupidly and impractically big. It's just a big mass of grey plates but without the detail of other masses of grey (the UCS MF for example). Its utterly uninspiring and not even close to being on my radar of a set I would ever dream of buying. If I was given one and could do it without causing offense I would happily straight swap it for a HH. I know shit about reselling but lego couldn't shift them so I can't see them selling fast in the secondary market. From a purely business perspective there are surely other sets that will provide a better and quicker return with less risk due to the initial outlay.
    Pitfall69CoraHarrisonBumblepantsdougtsmadforLEGO
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    @cheshirecat‌ You are clearly worked up over the Ridiculous Auctions Thread...Hahahaha.

  • tom4086tom4086 Member Posts: 689
    ^ LOL!
  • binaryeyebinaryeye USMember Posts: 1,734
    Pitfall69 said:

    Ok. Care to share? Lol.

    It was on The Woodwright's Shop with Roy Underhill. He was talking about an apparently well-regarded and versatile plane. He referred to it as the "Death Star of planes" and "the one plane to rule them all" among other comparisons.

    My point was the SSD will never have that kind of mainstream relevance.
    Pitfall69
  • JamesJTJamesJT Member Posts: 440
    Anybody think #7965 could stay for another year?
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    JamesJT said:

    Anybody think #7965 could stay for another year?

    I don't think so. Wasn't Target (US) clearing them out a month ago? I'm curious if it will play a major role in the new movies? If it does, it will be refreshed with current characters.

  • BuriedinBricksBuriedinBricks USAMember Posts: 1,367

    All I know is part of me still wants that USS FLAGG, my friend had one when we were kids and I ran across one in an antique mart, but did not buy it.. Kinda wish I did

    A friend of mine got one for Christmas a few years ago from his brother (they are huge Joe collectors). It was NIB and all shiny.

    Pitfall69
  • CircleKCircleK U.S. - Columbus, OhioMember Posts: 1,055
    edited July 2014
    My friend who had the FLAGG had everything else as well and he had it in multiples. Going to his house was absolutely mind blowing. For one, his bedroom was freaking ginormous - the FLAGG and the billions of other vehicles he owned didn't even put a dent in it. The other thing that was cool was that he was the first (maybe only) kid I knew that was into army building, so he had tons of Cobra infantry soldiers, Crimson Guard Troops, Vipers, BATS, and so on. I cannot emphasize enough how cool it was to play Joes when you basically had access to EVERYTHING hasbro put out and could really reenact the battles you watched on the toons. It was just awesome.

    A few years later I ditched that kid and made friends with someone who had a great nintendo game selection and a really nice pool. When you grow up poor you have to be resourceful.
    Pitfall69dougtsBrickDancer
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    I don't know why Cobra needed an Army; nobody ever died :)
    binaryeye
  • starwarfan77starwarfan77 Member Posts: 341
    Pitfall69 said:

    JamesJT said:

    Anybody think #7965 could stay for another year?

    I don't think so. Wasn't Target (US) clearing them out a month ago? I'm curious if it will play a major role in the new movies? If it does, it will be refreshed with current characters.

    i feel that it will be gone by the year end....
  • JamesJTJamesJT Member Posts: 440
    edited July 2014
    If #7965 is the last OT Falcon it could become a collectors' item.
  • theLEGOmantheLEGOman UKMember Posts: 1,525
    Pitfall69 said:

    JamesJT said:

    Anybody think #7965 could stay for another year?

    I don't think so. Wasn't Target (US) clearing them out a month ago? I'm curious if it will play a major role in the new movies? If it does, it will be refreshed with current characters.

    They have to redesign the figures now, Han Solo comes with an ankle cast and crutches.
    SuperTrampprevereGurooopharmjodrichlPitfall69bobabricks
  • SuperTrampSuperTramp City 17Member Posts: 1,021
    lol
  • MojoestMojoest UKMember Posts: 474

    Also no GE at Manchester Discovery Centre when I went to the AFOL evening about two weeks ago now... I am going to try and get to the Manchester Store tomorrow so will be assessing the situation there too :)

    There were at least two of them there at the start of the night (just checked the picture I took) I don't think GE is at the same point in the UK as it is in the US. I.e. we've got a little longer. Also when I went to the Manchester Lego store on Wednesday they had some out then too, so think we're ok.
  • stevemackstevemack 1567km Drive From BillundMember Posts: 931
    Yeah the shelves in Liverpool have 4 GE out filling a gap so I'm guessing more in the back too!
  • CoraHarrisonCoraHarrison Member Posts: 242
    stevemack said:

    Yeah the shelves in Liverpool have 4 GE out filling a gap so I'm guessing more in the back too!

    Good because I can't afford no more Lego!! Too many good sets out this year, and too many retiring that I still need to grab even just for my personal collection.
    rancorbait
  • dragwitdragwit Member Posts: 26
    Went to the Lego Store in Murray, UT yesterday, and they were out of GE.
  • Milne44Milne44 Member Posts: 112
    edited July 2014
    Glasgow's out of GE too and not getting any more
    CoraHarrison
  • CoraHarrisonCoraHarrison Member Posts: 242
    Anyone think the serious play theme will do anything, everytime I check [email protected] this theme is out of stock...
  • theLEGOmantheLEGOman UKMember Posts: 1,525
    It's designed to be used on courses manned by a trained person, probably for team building type things.
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 6,903
    The Serious Play stuff has some seriously expensive price tags for the amount of parts you get. Not only that, but it appears to be a wide assortment of all sorts of things including Duplo. Just about everything that does well in the aftermarket is either a desirable IP or an excellent set design or most likely both. SP has neither.
  • CoraHarrisonCoraHarrison Member Posts: 242

    The Serious Play stuff has some seriously expensive price tags for the amount of parts you get. Not only that, but it appears to be a wide assortment of all sorts of things including Duplo. Just about everything that does well in the aftermarket is either a desirable IP or an excellent set design or most likely both. SP has neither.

    That was my thought exactly, which is why I couldn't understand it's stability within [email protected] :/
  • BastaBasta Australia Member Posts: 1,259
    TLG were running at full (production) capacity a year or so ago and I'd assume they still are. Themes like Serious Play probably get limited production time and so at times could easily go out of stock.

    Interestingly nearly every Lego retailer in Australia has had issues keeping shelves full over the last year and a half at different times. It's obvious that retailers can't get enough stock.
  • bobabricksbobabricks Vancouver, BC, CanadaMember Posts: 1,842
    I always saw Serious Play as the "leftovers" because it is just a big lot of random and it reminds me of those 50 lb lots on craigslist and eBay. :P
    CoraHarrisonLegoboyDougout
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 10,110
    edited July 2014

    The Serious Play stuff has some seriously expensive price tags for the amount of parts you get. Not only that, but it appears to be a wide assortment of all sorts of things including Duplo. Just about everything that does well in the aftermarket is either a desirable IP or an excellent set design or most likely both. SP has neither.

    That was my thought exactly, which is why I couldn't understand it's stability within [email protected] :/
    I think LEGO found the sweet spot for pricing.. That is, overprice it, and let retailers 'sale' it down to where it should be.

    See this all the time in US. #75020 Jabba's Sail Barge is a notable one, 119.99 USD, but has been on sale usually and for about 80-90 USD , at times less. #9516 Jabba's Palace was retailing for $119.99 USD, but routinely at 90-100 USD or lower some times. Rancor pit? Retails for $59.99 USD , but Routinely at 45-55 USD (some times lower). To the point you could buy the palace and pit for 150 USD combined.
    Also not just SW line either.
    LoTr #79008 Pirate ship ambush was 99.99 USD, but have always seen them for 80 or way lower ($60-65) -notably during the holidays last year.
    LEGO #31020 Creator family house.. Retails for $69.99, but routinely down to $55 or lower.
    Most city sets that retail for 99.99 have been sales to 75-80 or lower at times as well. Heck even TRU has gotten into it; the #60026 Town Square retails for 119.99 but is on sale for 95-100 at times (with discounts).
    I doubt retailers are losing their shirts on these 'deals' or I doubt you would see many 20-30% sales and then replenishment of stocks when they run out so they can discount it again.

    Serious play will be no different I think. Retails for dear; will be put on sale occasionally for 20-30% off at various outlets.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    Speaking of Creator Houses; does anyone invest heavily in these? I really like this series. What are your thoughts on #31020 Family Home?
  • SuperTrampSuperTramp City 17Member Posts: 1,021
    edited July 2014
    ^Do you mean #31012 ?
    Pitfall69
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 10,110
    Pitfall69 said:

    Speaking of Creator Houses; does anyone invest heavily in these? I really like this series. What are your thoughts on #31020 Family Home?

    ^Do you mean #31012 ?

    Yeah, messed up the #31012 number, sorry.
    I have a few, I like them for parts and you multiple models to build, just do not like them at RRP.
    Pitfall69
  • DadDad UKMember Posts: 816
    Pitfall69 said:

    Speaking of Creator Houses; does anyone invest heavily in these? I really like this series. What are your thoughts on #31020 Family Home?

    I'll do them @ 50% off but it's more to trade rather than invest. At that discount the worst they can become is great birthday presents.

    SirKevbags
  • asksolasksol Member Posts: 101
    Serious Play is for businesses and priced accordingly. Consumers are unlikely to have a budget for team building, but businesses do and don't need a sale. A volume discount is more likely.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 10,110
    asksol said:

    Serious Play is for businesses and priced accordingly. Consumers are unlikely to have a budget for team building, but businesses do and don't need a sale. A volume discount is more likely.

    Ahh, that is right. Forgot about that, but DACTA educational sets that LEGO releases (which are also pricey) still tend to be found still on sites like Amazon for discounts under RRP.
    Not sure if 'serious play' will do the same though
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    edited July 2014
    Dad said:



    Pitfall69 said:

    Speaking of Creator Houses; does anyone invest heavily in these? I really like this series. What are your thoughts on #31020 Family Home?

    I'll do them @ 50% off but it's more to trade rather than invest. At that discount the worst they can become is great birthday presents.

    Really? Some of the aftermarket prices on some of those sets are crazy. I'm not talking about the very small Beach Houses or Cabins; I'm talking about sets like #4954 Town Home. I bought a few #4886 Building Bonanza sets and sold them last year for a huge profit.
    madforLEGO
  • DadDad UKMember Posts: 816
    http://www.bricksetforum.com/discussion/15531/uk-ft-4954-creator-town-house-5770-lighthouse-island-6754-family-home-plus-40032-witch-head-poly#latest

    I know what you're saying @Pitfall69 but I've only had the one response to that and they wanted to trade #4954 #5770 and a poly for a GE. I had a few #4954 and did ok on them but I think the price of them has dropped significantly this last 12 months.
  • cloaked7cloaked7 Member Posts: 1,448
    I think 31012 will do well. Most houses do. I think it is a great looking set. Plus, it is NOT an exclusive set, so you will be able to find it on sale. I mean, a person should be able to get it for more than 27% off! Awesome. Apple Tree House was active for a long, long time. LEGO made lots of them. And, it still sold well in the after market. Check the current price on eBay.
    minicoopers11
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    Yeah, I was just wondering. I collect them, but didn't stock up on any of the smaller houses or the Apple Tree House. I did stock up on the Lighthouse.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 10,110
    Pitfall69 said:

    Yeah, I was just wondering. I collect them, but didn't stock up on any of the smaller houses or the Apple Tree House. I did stock up on the Lighthouse.

    I have multiple copies of most of the creator sets, when on sale they are pretty good value.
  • david325david325 Member Posts: 138
    Grand Emporium Out of stock at UK [email protected], expected ship date 22 Jul 2014
  • SuperTrampSuperTramp City 17Member Posts: 1,021
    ^SSD is also OOS until the 29th
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