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  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 1,996
    edited December 2012
    As far as Destiny's Bounty goes, it IS out of stock most places online, but I see it in physical stores everywhere around me. It is selling at slightly above RRP, and it's probably a safe bet for next Christmas, but I don't know that I'd hold Ninjago past that point.
  • tk79tk79 Member Posts: 329
    Interesting...10212 has this note on Amazon at the moment:
    Item Under Review

    While this item is available from other marketplace sellers on this page, it is not currently offered by Amazon.com because customers have told us there may be something wrong with our inventory of the item, the way we are shipping it, or the way it's described here. (Thanks for the tip!)

    We're working to fix the problem as quickly as possible.
    Last time I saw that was for Fire Brigade when it had the missing parts issue...not sure what the problem would be here.
  • FatMattFatMatt Member Posts: 502
    ^Well, I just received one from them today with a hole punched in the backside, but I don't think it was from the way they shipped it, but rather the warehouse.
  • emilewskiemilewski Member Posts: 482
    ^ Well that is certainly disappointing, especially when it is not clear they have decent a replacement to send you.
  • BastaBasta Member Posts: 1,259
    edited December 2012
    It could still be a shipping/warehouse issue. It is big, and the box is known to be on the flimsy side. If they have had a higher number of damage item complaints then what ever is there acceptable amount, it for sure could be flagged. At some point they have to stop and find out why they are having so many issues with any particular item. It may not specifically be a faulty product in the traditional sense.
  • FatMattFatMatt Member Posts: 502
    ^Agreed. I have had to send back more of them in the past year to Amazon than any other set. Not sure if others have noticed the same, but they seem to have gotten much better lately in shipping. This is only the second time since August I have had to get a replacement set, whereas before it seemed like close to %50 of my large sets were arriving with at least some amount of damage.
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 1,996
    FatMatt said:

    ^Agreed. I have had to send back more of them in the past year to Amazon than any other set. Not sure if others have noticed the same, but they seem to have gotten much better lately in shipping. This is only the second time since August I have had to get a replacement set, whereas before it seemed like close to %50 of my large sets were arriving with at least some amount of damage.

    I mentioned something similar a bit earlier. Their shipping has gotten infinitely better, though based on the shipment I received today, I'd say they're running low on boxes. I got a Mirkwood Spiders set and a 4000 Microsoft Points card in a 30 x 30 x 4 box. It was the most ridiculous waste of a box I've ever seen.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    Amazon has done a much better job recently sending out large sets.
  • mathewmathew Member Posts: 2,099
    edited December 2012
    Having just ordered a "like new" IS from Amazon can you guys detail exactly what the issues are? If it's just a bent or creased box then I don't care. If there are large gashes, not a huge deal, but I'd rather not. If seals are broken and or the box is completely crushed then I'll be concerned. My previous experiences with "like new" Lego sets is that usually the box has a few dings, but is still sealed.
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 1,996
    ^I'm assuming since you got a deal on it, you really don't care if the box disintegrates before it gets to you... :D

    In seriousness, the box is too small for the set and, in most cases, the contents wind up reverse crushing the box. This is especially likely given Amazon's propensity for packing sets loosely with limited padding.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    I have received 4 Imperial Shuttles from Amazon in almost perfect condition in the past month. I was downright shocked!

    Then I went and received 2 more from TRU. Yes, again in perfect condition.

    My luck has been holding, except that Amazon yesterday delivered a pair of Helm's Deep, a set that usually comes just fine, both crushed beyond belief. But that wasn't Amazon's fault, I have a temp UPS driver who doesn't get it.

    I find that my local driver has a lot to do with it, hopefully my regular guy comes back, I don't like having to break in a new driver!
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    mathew said:

    Having just ordered a "like new" IS from Amazon can you guys detail exactly what the issues are? If it's just a bent or creased box then I don't care. If there are large gashes, not a huge deal, but I'd rather not. If seals are broken and or the box is completely crushed then I'll be concerned. My previous experiences with "like new" Lego sets is that usually the box has a few dings, but is still sealed.

    It could be anything, the condition notes of Warehouse Deals are useless.

    I tried to pickup a deal on a Like New Town Hall a month or so ago, it came opened with the plastic bags opened and loose LEGO parts floating around the box.

    Needless to say, I sent it back.
  • mathewmathew Member Posts: 2,099
    Hmm, I thought it had been determined that "like new" typically meant that the seals were intact? Your Town Hall fiasco sounds like the Batman set my wife picked up on clearance from Walmart earlier this year.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    The Amazon warehouse monkeys don't have a clue about most of the items in the warehouse. Amazon has over 1 billion items in stock at any given time, they are all widgets to them.

    So "good" and "like new" are just random guesses from someone making $10/hr who may have never seen a LEGO set before in his life.

    For whatever that is worth. :)
  • FatMattFatMatt Member Posts: 502
    ^Well, you can be sure they will be getting my widget back, as I expect my widget boxes to arrive in better condition.
  • DougoutDougout Member Posts: 888
    LegoFanTexas said:

    I have received 4 Imperial Shuttles from Amazon in almost perfect condition in the past month. I was downright shocked!

    Then I went and received 2 more from TRU. Yes, again in perfect condition.

    My luck has been holding, except that Amazon yesterday delivered a pair of Helm's Deep, a set that usually comes just fine, both crushed beyond belief. But that wasn't Amazon's fault, I have a temp UPS driver who doesn't get it.

    I find that my local driver has a lot to do with it, hopefully my regular guy comes back, I don't like having to break in a new driver!

    I feel like the better box conditions are due to the sets not being in amazons warehouse for extended periods. Amazon has gotten a but better, but their boxes still suck. Helms Deep and Urak-Hai armies are usually in mint condition; hopefully that will be the new norm.

    Either way I'm not really concerned about box condition as long as their not destroyed and I get a decent deal on it
  • BillybrownBillybrown Member Posts: 748
    I have also noticed improvement in Amazon packaging, for .uk .fr and .es. .de More packing included, ironically they all come from the same warehouse in Dunfermline regardless of which amazon they were ordered from - however a lot of it comes down to the driver/delivery company. I ordered 12 x 8070's (seeing as its EOL) as seperate orders of 1 so I can re-use the box,and they all came in pristine minty mint mint condition. Wish all my 10212's were like that. I have just 15 out of 66 of those that I would class as mint.

  • littlepuppilittlepuppi Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2012
    Looks like imperial shuttle has run out at amazon.com and amazon.it
  • BillybrownBillybrown Member Posts: 748
    I think IS will be £450+ come next Christmas, RRP and below opportunities in the UK are diminishing rather quickly. Looks like the last opportunity is Boulevard toys @ £214. They are showing 20 left in stock at this moment in time. I would have grabbed the lot had I not got so many in the first place so fill your boots ;-) Cant see 20 lasting long, this baby will sky rocket in price. Buy Buy! or say bye forever :-)
  • FatMattFatMatt Member Posts: 502
    Minecraft in stock @ [email protected] (US)
    Lootefisk
  • LootefiskLootefisk Member Posts: 67
    edited December 2012
    FatMatt said:

    Minecraft in stock @ [email protected] (US)

    Did the search and it said it was sold out. Clicked full details and was able to purchase. Thanks for the heads up

  • BumblepantsBumblepants Member Posts: 7,634
    ^ Search for 'Minecraft' and it appears sold out, but click 'See Full Details' and you can add to your cart
  • BillybrownBillybrown Member Posts: 748
    Billybrown said:

    I think IS will be £450+ come next Christmas, RRP and below opportunities in the UK are diminishing rather quickly. Looks like the last opportunity is Boulevard toys @ £214. They are showing 20 left in stock at this moment in time. I would have grabbed the lot had I not got so many in the first place so fill your boots ;-) Cant see 20 lasting long, this baby will sky rocket in price. Buy Buy! or say bye forever :-)

    Wow just 10 left now.

  • rasmustalirasmustali Member Posts: 85
    just ordered 2 of these, free shipping to Estonia and reasonable price at first place made the deal for me.
    Thanks for sharing this.
  • BillybrownBillybrown Member Posts: 748
    rasmustali said:

    just ordered 2 of these, free shipping to Estonia and reasonable price at first place made the deal for me.
    Thanks for sharing this.

    No probs, I wasnt sure how far they extended their distribution, free shipping to Estonia is top draw. All gone now by the looks of things.

  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Member Posts: 10,789
    Interesting... VW van is now showing call to check for product availability...

    While this does not necessarily mean much I will say that it has appeared that most, if not all, sets that have been marked this have eventually been 'sold out' so far.

    Thoughts on the VW Van selling out?
  • legoprodslegoprods Member Posts: 445
    ^It's about time, if it's following the Beetle's pattern.
  • Nadana86Nadana86 Member Posts: 65
    edited December 2012
    On the other hand, I could imagine that the van is a nice christmas gift (also for non-Lego fans). I will believe it if it shows that in January.


    EDIT: In Germany it shows OOS, delivery Jan 10th.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Member Posts: 10,789
    Finally found a use for a FAO 20 dollars off 100 coupon, and grabbed two VW Vans.. not much of a savings, basically paid for shipping and tax, but still not bad considering no one else appears to have them anymore.

    Notice that TRU is bumping up prices on sets that they have available that are sold out at LEGO?
    For example, Technic Excavator was always 200, now it is 220?
  • DiggydoesDiggydoes Member Posts: 1,079
    For everybody who couldn´t get a IS for a decent price, TRU (Germany) is running a promo with 20% off SW-Lego sets! I´ve ordered two (each for 199,99€) let´s cross fingers that TRU doesn´t screw it (again!!!)!
    SiE
  • BoiseStateBoiseState Member Posts: 804
    I saw a show on how poorly Amazon treats it's employees in the warehouses.. I personally won't shop there.
  • momof2boys99momof2boys99 Member Posts: 322
    @BoiseState.....what show? I am just curious as I am always shopping Amazon. Thank you.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    BoiseState said:

    I saw a show on how poorly Amazon treats it's employees in the warehouses.. I personally won't shop there.

    That is understandable, but then that means you can't buy from almost any large retailer. Costco might be one of the rare exceptions.

    Because everyone from TRU to Walmart does the same thing.

    Not saying it is right or good or anything, just saying that if you won't shop at Amazon because of it, to be fair you need to boycott the rest of them as well.
  • rasmustalirasmustali Member Posts: 85
    does german tru ship outside their country?
  • richoricho Member Posts: 3,830
    ^^ There is a definite and growing place in retail/shopping etc for morals and ethical trading, however introducing high levels of morality in to all shopping purchases is a very difficult thing to maintain consistency on.
  • DiggydoesDiggydoes Member Posts: 1,079
    rasmustali said:

    does german tru ship outside their country?

    Not sure, but wasn´t there a thread a couple of weeks ago which said that you can now order from every TRU from wherever you are?!
  • NintendawgNintendawg Member Posts: 18
    Diggydoes said:

    rasmustali said:

    does german tru ship outside their country?

    Not sure, but wasn´t there a thread a couple of weeks ago which said that you can now order from every TRU from wherever you are?!
    I thought it was just USA toys-r-us was shipping internationaly.
    madforLEGO said:


    Notice that TRU is bumping up prices on sets that they have available that are sold out at LEGO?
    For example, Technic Excavator was always 200, now it is 220?

    Yes indeed. They are terrible on almost every level. Diagon alley was bumped up $10 recently. Only one of many I'm sure. Maybe they don't need domestic Lego sales anymore, as international customers will happily play the pricing games to try and avoid high local RRP's.


  • DiggydoesDiggydoes Member Posts: 1,079
    ^hmm don´t know, i thought i would also be able to order for example from TRU UK?!
  • rasmustalirasmustali Member Posts: 85
    has anyone from europe ordered from TRU US and did you have to pay for customs and tax?
  • leppgleppg Member Posts: 45
    I've ordered from Canada and had to pay both so I would assume the same for Europe.
  • vman100vman100 Member Posts: 13
    Looks like Minecraft is really sold out now - showing sold out on full details page as well...
  • hobbynuthobbynut Member Posts: 3
    tk79 said:

    Interesting...10212 has this note on Amazon at the moment:

    Item Under Review

    While this item is available from other marketplace sellers on this page, it is not currently offered by Amazon.com because customers have told us there may be something wrong with our inventory of the item, the way we are shipping it, or the way it's described here. (Thanks for the tip!)

    We're working to fix the problem as quickly as possible.
    Last time I saw that was for Fire Brigade when it had the missing parts issue...not sure what the problem would be here.

    I just received an IS a couple of weeks ago in which the shipping box was well oversized with not much thought into filler material. There was a footprint on the side of the box and sure enough the inner box was crushed. Amazon is great about replacements, but I would think that getting a grip on their packing issues would go a long way.

  • DiggydoesDiggydoes Member Posts: 1,079
    If Minecraft is really sold out and TLG won't produce any more will supply and demand ever meet? The "hype"around this game is it on it's peak? I'm asking since in europe there are still copies available but i'm not sure if i shall bank some of these?!
  • gmpirategmpirate Member Posts: 1,654
    If it were me and there were "still copies available" around me, I would buy all I could and sell all of them. Lego are like stocks and not like stocks. Stocks in "good" companies can be great long term growth opportunities. An investment in Lego can go bad at any time -- regardless of how good the set is.

    4x your investment in Lego sounds like a good return for any term, imo.
  • jonboy2000jonboy2000 Member Posts: 259
    Antone know how many 10213's come in brown lego packing boxes?
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Member Posts: 10,789
    edited December 2012
    vman100 said:

    Looks like Minecraft is really sold out now - showing sold out on full details page as well...

    Again, does not mean much. It was showing as that before this batch came up...


    I really doubt this is the last of Minecraft for LEGO.
    It is too lucrative and costs them almost nothing to make.. they are tiny sets and obviously are selling.
    Seeing what they have done with the modular sets I would not be surprised to see these still being sold for a long time, especially if there are paying a licensing fee to the owners of Minecraft for each set, which basically to them is printing money at this point.

    What is really sad IMO is people paying 100 dollars for a 35 dollar set... LEGO is out of their mind to only put out 5000 sets to the US market (If that really is the number) and One again has to wonder if they are keeping demand up for themselves to sell out quickly buy only releasing so many before Christmas.

  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas Member Posts: 8,404
    madforLEGO said:

    What is really sad IMO is people paying 100 dollars for a 35 dollar set...

    It is only a $35 set if you can actually find it at that price.
    madforLEGO said:

    LEGO is out of their mind to only put out 5000 sets to the US market (If that really is the number)

    In this we are in agreement, if they only received 5,000 sets, that is just silly, the number is missing a zero or two in it. Even if they had received 50,000 sets, they wouldn't have lasted longer than a day.

    500,000 sets would have been a nicer number, but I'll bet you they still would have sold out within a week. Let people order 5 at a time and they would have sold out in 1 day. :)

    500,000 sets x $35 sold via [email protected], that is $17.5 Million. Not a huge number to TLG, but still not chump change, even more considering how cheap this set must be to make.
  • thehockeyboythehockeyboy Member Posts: 97
    Ever consider that the numbers being produced is either a marketing campaign or limited in their agreement with minecraft?

    Marketing campaign because the hot toy is generating a lot of buzz... if they were readily available to everyone that wanted one I extremely doubt they would be talked about as much (just look at how many times its been mentioned in these forums!!).

    Or maybe TLG is gonna be sneaky and absolutely flood the market with these at some point... hype the product up and have resellers salivating over their profits so that when those 500,000 hit the stores the resellers snatch them up right away thinking they will flip them for profit!!! But lets hope that Lego isn't that ruthless ;-)
  • sadowsk1sadowsk1 Member Posts: 124
    edited December 2012
    That would be something.
  • thorniethornie Member Posts: 245
    I'm kind of worried about my Amazon 10212 order, especially after reading that they stopped selling it in order to take a look at the shipping procedure. My 10212 is set to arrive on Monday and while I could not care less about the condition of the box, I would hate for it to have missing bags a la Fire Brigade.
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