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Predictions on Discontinuing Sets and their Secondary Market Value

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  • BanditBandit Member Posts: 890
    The fact I was going to have my sister who is a graphic designer do a mock up of the set with the figure should tell you something...lol. I just couldn't go through with it.
    Hahaha oh that would have been great!

  • RennyRenny USAMember Posts: 1,145
    Reminds me of when I was into Decipher's Star Trek CCG (a very long time ago) and they released a special ship card "USS Jupiter" I think, in a new Star Trek PC game. The game had nothing to do with the card game yet that was the only way to get it. I wasn't about to buy a pc game for one promotional card.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    Yes it would, but I don't want to toy with getting banned. I only did it because Sam and I have been discussing a few things here and there in other threads and via messages :)
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    Ok. Let's stay on topic. Although this is an interesting discussion. If someone wants to take it up in another thread so be it :)

  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    I would like to have the SDCC minifigures, but I can't justify spending the money on them. @Samiam is a minifigure collector, so I can see why he would want them and...ahem...want them to stay valuable :)

    I placed an order for the IS from Target and the MMV from Lego. My IS arrived and I'm hoping I receive the MMV...ya know...the set that will never die
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,395
    Thread "Free heart attacks courtesy of Pitfall"... I'm willing to put up the first post if there are others willing to follow suit? ;-)

    So now that we can forget the fact that the Shazam figure will be released in the upcoming DVD release, what do you all think is going to be the future value of these? I have my own opinions, but also love to hear others.
  • prevereprevere North of Bellville, East of Heartlake, South of Bricksburg, West of Ninjago City Member Posts: 2,923
    edited July 2012
    I love the fact the Lex Luthor fig came with the Batman 2 video game. Maybe we'll get an exclusive Riddler with a Super Friends video game?
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 10,228
    LEGO only said they will not be releasing that specific figure for that character outside of SDCC, but does not stop them from releasing a similar figure in a to be in a 'to be determined' set for that character.

  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    edited July 2012
    First the Brickset effect now the Pitfall effect
  • j0rdantay10rj0rdantay10r Member Posts: 9
    Fellas,

    Question regarding purchasing LEGO on international Amazon sites - are the product packaging/instructions universal for LEGO in that I will get the exact same item if I order from Amazon Germany as I order from US Amazon? Or, are there variations in the packaging and instructions to suit the local language?

    The pictures on the listings appear to be identical to the US listings. I'm hoping to pick some things up at a slightly cheaper price but wouldn't want it if the packaging is foreign!
  • FatMattFatMatt USMember Posts: 502
    ^Everything is identical.
  • nkx1nkx1 Member Posts: 719
    edited July 2012
    j0rdantay10r: I started a separate thread HERE a while back that may help answer some of your questions.

    In addition to the info in that thread, I noticed that the shapes of some of the boxes are different. For instance, I bought a couple 7939 yellow cargo trains from Amazon.fr. The trains I received are packaged in a larger/flatter box than the 7939 sets sold in the US, which are packaged in a thicker/smaller box.

    I actually prefer the European boxes to the US boxes, since they don't have all of the warnings and other writing on the front of the boxes that the US boxes have.
  • nkx1nkx1 Member Posts: 719
    ^Forgot to mention, yes, there is English (but with British spelling) printed on the boxes, along with various other languages including what appears to be Italian, French, German and possibly others.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409

    Fellas,

    Question regarding purchasing LEGO on international Amazon sites - are the product packaging/instructions universal for LEGO in that I will get the exact same item if I order from Amazon Germany as I order from US Amazon? Or, are there variations in the packaging and instructions to suit the local language?

    The pictures on the listings appear to be identical to the US listings. I'm hoping to pick some things up at a slightly cheaper price but wouldn't want it if the packaging is foreign!

    The contents are generally the same, but the boxes are not, both in size and printing, the manuals also are sometimes different.
  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 3,079
    The main thing is there is no language barrier for the instructions - diagrams of construction steps are universally understood (or misunderstood - when dark bley is mistaken for black etc). Am I right in thinking that UCS plaque sticker language is always in English?
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    I have never bought a UCS set from overseas, but everything has always had English printed on it somewhere.

    You're also right about dark bley and black, they need to put something in the instructions to help with that one. :)
  • SherlockbonesSherlockbones Member Posts: 411
    How much would the IS be after it's taking off? UCS falcon price perhaps?
  • RennyRenny USAMember Posts: 1,145
    ^Doubtful anything will hit that kind of price tag again. Over time I can see it reaching the same price point of a sealed 10129 UCS Snowspeeder or 10143 Death Star II. It's a very cool looking ship, and it really stands out with it's stark white look among the other light/dark blue gray models.
  • hoyatableshoyatables Northern Virginia, USAMember Posts: 873
    Let's hope so. I have a couple as my first foray into reselling. Ship doesn't do it for me so I am focused on reselling. If I can net my death star I'll be thrilled, which basically means a 50% increase after I factor in all discounts.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    The UCS MF has so much going for it right now and that is what is driving the prices. This has been discussed in detail over several threads so I won't get into it again. The IS is a great set, but it will never command the high prices MF does right now.
  • BoiseStateBoiseState Member Posts: 804
    I would think those minifigs should be there soon Sam..
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 10,228
    edited July 2012

    I have never bought a UCS set from overseas, but everything has always had English printed on it somewhere.

    You're also right about dark bley and black, they need to put something in the instructions to help with that one. :)

    They really need to make the instructions have white backgrounds again.
    Now I have not really opened many brand new, like just released, sets, but the EN manual I had was a pill to distinguish between dark gray and Black
  • LegofanscottLegofanscott Member Posts: 622
    edited July 2012
    Pitfall69 said:

    The UCS MF has so much going for it right now and that is what is driving the prices. This has been discussed in detail over several threads so I won't get into it again. The IS is a great set, but it will never command the high prices MF does right now.

    Does anyone think there will be a set as big as MF come out in the near future with the rising cost of parts?

    I don't mean a Star wars set, i just mean a similar part count and lengthy build as the MF?



  • BrickDancerBrickDancer Dunes of TatooineMember Posts: 3,639
    edited July 2012
    ^I was thinking the same question other day. Since the biggest set in Lego history was Taj Mahal, best guess is it may be the next Sculpture set to be released that would replace Tower Bridge (which is #3 after the UCS MF). Out of the Top 10 Biggest Lego sets, 5 are Star Wars (MF, DS, DSII, SSD, ISD) and the other 5 are Sculpture (TM, TB, ET, GC, SoL).

    Has there been any word on what the next Sculpture set will be?
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,395

    I would think those minifigs should be there soon Sam..


    You got it! Got them yesterday. Here they are in all their glory. Thanks @BoiseState!

    EDIT: Unfortunately, I can never seem to get pictures to attach... I received the Celebration Luke and Han Solo. Very fitting considering the circumstances ;-)

  • graphitegraphite USMember Posts: 3,270
    ^ Just FYI based on your terminology the issue may be that it isn't "attaching" the image. You have to host it somewhere first and put the link. This site wont host your image.
  • BoiseStateBoiseState Member Posts: 804
    I thought they fit the criteria well.. Somewhat unique but inexpensive. Enjoy!
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    graphite said:

    ^ Just FYI based on your terminology the issue may be that it isn't "attaching" the image. You have to host it somewhere first and put the link. This site wont host your image.

    Just FYI, you can host images here, just click on "attach a file" below the post.
  • samiam391samiam391 A log cabin in PA, United StatesMember Posts: 4,395
    ^,^^,^^^
    Either way, it's not a big deal all. We know what the figures are, no picture needs to be attached. Thanks for your help. Thanks @BoiseState for the figures, they definitely fit the criteria perfectly ;-)
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    Giddyup
  • richoricho Member Posts: 3,830
    edited July 2012
    I am beginning to think that this 'golden age' for lego with better and better sets, means that there is so much quality choice now, that previous discontinued sets are unlikely to go up in value much. Just a school of thought.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    edited July 2012
    Maybe for the casual Lego buyer or a parent buying for their child, but a Lego fanatic/collector will want the discontinued sets. I am pretty sure Lego will not remake a lot if their sets, especially for the licensed themes. I don't think they will remake any of their UCS sets for Star Wars. There is always a chance however unlikely. I know they have remade the X wings and Tie fighters and all of that, but the first ones that came out were in desperate need for a makeover.
  • BoiseStateBoiseState Member Posts: 804
    With the new sets coming out, I'm far more interested in those than the older ones. That's just me though.
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444


    I know Lego is in a class if their own, but it is still a toy. Many people collect classic toys Star Wars, Transformers, G.I. Joe. The new options are vastly superior in almost every way, but collectors will still seek the older ones for their collection...and pay 100's
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444

    With the new sets coming out, I'm far more interested in those than the older ones. That's just me though.

    In a few years the UCS MF will be an "old" set. You wouldn't have any interest in owning one if you didn't have one already?

  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,444
    We also need to include people that are just getting into Legos and/or are coming out of their "dark ages" and would want some of the sets they missed out on. Discontinued doesn't necessarily mean old either. People may have missed out in certain sets because of financial reasons. I did with IF because we were having a baby, yet I was still actively into Legos.
  • thorniethornie Member Posts: 245
    richo said:

    I am beginning to think that this 'golden age' for lego with better and better sets, means that there is so much quality choice now, that previous discontinued sets are unlikely to go up in value much. Just a school of thought.

    I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. The variety, quantity, and quality of all the new sets coming out are fantastic.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    thornie said:

    I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. The variety, quantity, and quality of all the new sets coming out are fantastic.

    I second that...

    Still, this being said, there will be exceptions and those sets that are retired that a "superior" will command good money.

    DS and FB are two good examples of this, those will never quite get an equal for a very long time, no matter what else new Lego puts out.

    Tower Bridge is another good example. They may do bigger, grander, different, but that will be the only Tower Bridge in scale that Lego is ever likely to do, at least for a few decades.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    Thinking of already retired sets...

    What about Taj Mahal? That is a classic that also won't ever get redone and will only go up and up in value. Some day, it will look "old" like 3450 Statue of Liberty does today, but does anyone really think TLG will redo 3450 any time soon?

    I highly doubt it.
  • BoiseStateBoiseState Member Posts: 804
    Some of the elite sets will be popular for years.. No doubt. But I think common mid level price range sets that normally accrued value quickly may not do so anymore with the fantastic new stuff coming out. Total guess though, certainly not fact.
  • richoricho Member Posts: 3,830
    ^ yes, I think this is roughly what I meant. I do think there are a handful of exceptions based on my own reading of the market, but I won't throw them out on here as its only my own opinion.
  • graphitegraphite USMember Posts: 3,270
    ^ cause obviously the internet is no place for opinion
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    The mid-level sets might not do as well over multiple years, but they should still do well in the short term.

    2260 and 2521 anyone? :)
  • roxioroxio UKMember Posts: 1,363
    add 2509, I got em piled high at 60% off
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    Yes, forgot about that one, it is the ugly duckling of the set, but I'll be happy to take that entire stack off your hands for FULL RETAIL PRICE! I'll even pay shipping!

    Now isn't that a deal! :)
  • y2joshy2josh Member Posts: 2,002

    I have never bought a UCS set from overseas, but everything has always had English printed on it somewhere.

    You're also right about dark bley and black, they need to put something in the instructions to help with that one. :)

    They really need to make the instructions have white backgrounds again.
    Now I have not really opened many brand new, like just released, sets, but the EN manual I had was a pill to distinguish between dark gray and Black
    Most of the more recent manuals I've seen have actually gone back to the 'black outlined in white' look for the black pieces. The Town Hall manual comes right to mind.
  • j0rdantay10rj0rdantay10r Member Posts: 9
    Thanks, guys (re: international packaging). Sorry to get off topic.

    Back on topic, I noticed 21000 got a huge discount from Amazon today and is currently listed at $15.55 which us about a 20% slash from where it was (mid $19s). In my short LEGO price observation life, this has typically been the best indication that a set is about to be EOL or at least provides the best opportunity to procure a large quantity at a good price before EOL.

    Thoughts? Hancock was discontinued earlier this year and was originally released around the same time as the Sears/Willis.
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    ^ Thanks for the heads up, that isn't a set I was watching, but I agree that it should be going away at some point soon, as should the whole first wave, what with the new stuff that has been released this summer.

    I think this series will do well in retirement. Not smashing well, but well... Good double over 12-18 months...
  • tategoitategoi Member Posts: 19
    edited July 2012

    Out of the Top 10 Biggest Lego sets, 5 are Star Wars (MF, DS, DSII, SSD, ISD) and the other 5 are Sculpture (TM, TB, ET, GC, SoL)

    What are ET, GC and SoL?
  • pharmjodpharmjod 1,170 miles to Wall Drug, USAMember Posts: 2,916
    Eiffel Tower, Grand Carousel, Statue of Liberty
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