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Sun v Daily Mail polybag giveaway might get interesting

In today's Sun 20-1-15 it has been announced that they will be dropping the page 3 lovely ladies... now I for one have grown up in more ways than one with the page 3 lady and it's a sad state that certain groups have pressured the Lego group in dropping the Sun polybag giveaway due to the page 3 lady but times do change and time to move on..... Now for the biggest question will the Lego group return to the Sun or stay with the Daily Mail with the polybag giveaway.. There are plenty of good and bad points about each paper but one major fact with the Sun paper is the link with the merlin group that own Legoland Windsor and almost every couple of months you can get half price ticket.
and the Daily Mail have links with regional papers that take the remaining pokybags to giveaway with there local rags....
I for one would like it to return to the sun because it's a cheaper paper. Only time will tell

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  • Captain_EyebrowCaptain_Eyebrow Test Valley, somewhere between Brickset Towers and Narnia . . . .Member Posts: 170
    Ugh back to the Sun please, buying the Daily Mail made me feel 'dirty' its a nasty paper masquerading as the 'voice' of middle England. However giving Murdoch anything is almost as bad.

    So after all that who cares really cares just buy whichever and think of the LEGO!
    obi_ggmonkey76
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 20,298
    It doesn't bother me which one does it, so long as one of them does. You don't have to read it, after all.
    alexwil
  • XefanXefan Member Posts: 1,149
    I don't think you can really differentiate between The Sun and The Daily Mail in terms of ethics, they're both full of crap and both team up regularly (along with The Times and The News of the World before it died) to carry out political assassinations on people. They're cut from the exact same cloth.

    I think the dropping of Page 3 seems to be more about Murdoch's ever increasing tendency towards hard right Christian prudishness as he gets older and older than it was any protests - feminists never bought The Sun, and people who buy The Sun would never really care what feminists think anyway so the protesters had no real weight to bear on the topic.

    That's why they've said Page 3 will return if there's a marked decline in sales because if there's one thing Murdoch loves more than his hard right Christian fanaticism it's money.

    Unfortunately for TLG, the papers that have a bit of respectability and publish actual news rather than what are often outright fabrications also aren't the ones that are interested in making misleading generalised claims about being the "best selling paper" because they ran a succesful Lego promotion for a single day and use that as their data point to make the claim for the rest of the year. As such, they're stuck with the papers that are only fit for things like lining the bottom of a rabbit hutch, packing fragile things into boxes, or making chip cones out of.

    But I suspect TLG will still stay away from The Sun for now, just in case they have to backtrack because sales fall as TLG wont want to u-turn only to have to u-turn again shortly afterwards.
  • aldreddaldredd United KingdomMember Posts: 203
    Yeah, I have to wait until the shop is empty before buying the DM, and always impulsively have point out 'I'm only buying it for the Lego'
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 20,298
    aldredd said:

    Yeah, I have to wait until the shop is empty before buying the DM, and always impulsively have point out 'I'm only buying it for the Lego'

    Whenever I've done it, the only other people in WHS have also been buying the Daily Mail. I assume no-one is really buying it for the paper.
  • alexwilalexwil UKMember Posts: 376
    I really should learn to avoid these types of thread. They do nothing but wind me up.

    I hate this newspaper because of this
    Well I hate that newspaper because of that.

    Seriously, you're getting free lego, quit whining.

    Waiting till the shops is empty / feeling dirty - I don't get it, you're buying a newspaper. I could understand it if it was free lego with a porno mag!
    SuperTrampShibpricey73LostInTranslationPaperballpark
  • aldreddaldredd United KingdomMember Posts: 203
    ^ now that I could handle ;)
    alexwilGothamConstructionCocarlq
  • SuperTrampSuperTramp City 17Member Posts: 1,021
    edited January 2015
    ^^But they still buy it

    What does it say about someones character that hates something but still buys it because it contains there favorite item.

    I'd rather pay full whack on ebay than buy that shitty paper.
    curious
  • XefanXefan Member Posts: 1,149

    Waiting till the shops is empty / feeling dirty - I don't get it, you're buying a newspaper.

    That's okay, don't beat yourself up about it.

    Here, I'll help you. Some people actually give a shit about their country and the way it leans politically. Newspapers in the UK are extremely political and hence incredibly biased on such topics and their position coupled with shady dealings has historically given their owners and editors a disproportionate amount of political leverage. Had your benefits cut recently? Blame The Daily Mail. Had your tuition fees hiked? Go blame The Times. Can't find a decent plumber? Blame The Sun for scaring them off. Fed up of society being full of freeloaders? Blame The Daily Mirror. Hate the fact we're still in Europe? blame The Guardian. Hate the possibility that we might end up out of Europe? Blame The Telegraph.

    Thus, when people with an urge to acquire an item that they love are left with a choice between having to support a newspaper that they find politically offensive or not having it at all, they might feel a little unhappy about the idea.

    Personally I choose not to have it at all than pay for a paper that I find politically offensive. Others? Well, that's upto them, it's about choice, a wonderful thing we have in a society where we're thankfully not ruled by forum dictators that insist we should adhere to their moral standards of only being able to complain if your free stuff comes with a porn mag.

    Each to their own, but don't try and demand others live by your standards of ignorance.
    you_will_forgetcuriousbluemoose
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 20,298

    ^^But they still buy it

    What does it say about someones character that hates something but still buys it because it contains there favorite item.

    I'd rather pay full whack on ebay than buy that shitty paper.

    The funny thing about that is you are probably buying it from someone who has bought the newspaper for the merchandise (lego) in quantity just to sell it on ebay. So you are paying more, and the newspaper still gets sold. You are essentially paying a premium for someone to collect it, and throw away the newspaper for you. The premium is then shared between the Royal Mail and ebay with a little going to the seller. Sure, you buy it "guilt free" without having touched the newspaper, but the newspaper will still be bought.
  • aldreddaldredd United KingdomMember Posts: 203
    edited January 2015
    See, I feel like I'm performing a public service - buying it then chucking it in the recycling bin - saving anyone else from having to suffer the woeful trash it passes off as news. (Tongue firmly in cheek, in case it's not clear this time round!)

    Slightly off on a tangent now, but here is a good link related to the DM and its notorious cancer scares. It would be funny if it wasn't so darn real.

    http://www.anorak.co.uk/288298/scare-stories/the-daily-mails-list-of-things-that-give-you-cancer-from-a-to-z.html/
  • alexwilalexwil UKMember Posts: 376
    Xefan said:

    Waiting till the shops is empty / feeling dirty - I don't get it, you're buying a newspaper.

    That's okay, don't beat yourself up about it.

    Here, I'll help you. Some people actually give a shit about their country and the way it leans politically. Newspapers in the UK are extremely political and hence incredibly biased on such topics and their position coupled with shady dealings has historically given their owners and editors a disproportionate amount of political leverage. Had your benefits cut recently? Blame The Daily Mail. Had your tuition fees hiked? Go blame The Times. Can't find a decent plumber? Blame The Sun for scaring them off. Fed up of society being full of freeloaders? Blame The Daily Mirror. Hate the fact we're still in Europe? blame The Guardian. Hate the possibility that we might end up out of Europe? Blame The Telegraph.

    Thus, when people with an urge to acquire an item that they love are left with a choice between having to support a newspaper that they find politically offensive or not having it at all, they might feel a little unhappy about the idea.

    Personally I choose not to have it at all than pay for a paper that I find politically offensive. Others? Well, that's upto them, it's about choice, a wonderful thing we have in a society where we're thankfully not ruled by forum dictators that insist we should adhere to their moral standards of only being able to complain if your free stuff comes with a porn mag.

    Each to their own, but don't try and demand others live by your standards of ignorance.
    Forgive me but I thought this was a lego website, if I want to talk politics I'll go find a website to talk about politics.

    That's what bugs me about these threads, I understand everyone has different opinions and I have no problen with people having their own opinions, but do we constantly need to have this forum going all political?

    It's lego, and free lego at that! Be grateful, we're pretty much the only country that gets these newspaper giveaways. Be grateful and stop Moaning about which newspaper it is.
    Paperballpark
  • XefanXefan Member Posts: 1,149
    Believe it or not, sometimes Lego and politics come together.

    Like, say, when a politically biased newspaper starts giving away free Lego for example.

    Or when an environmental organisation suggests a boycott of Lego.

    Or when there is a discussion about diversity and Lego's role in it.

    Yes it's a Lego forum, but Lego doesn't exist in isolation to everything else in the world. You can't expect to unilaterally declare the agenda must cater to your tastes in every thread. The internet doesn't revolve around you.

    There are plenty of threads I enter and find they don't really interest me, the solution is typically to leave them and move on, not partake in them and then complain that they're continuing.
  • Kevin_HyattKevin_Hyatt UKMember Posts: 778
    Suns cheaper so that would be my choice.
    BOBJACK_JACKBOB
  • donutboydonutboy U.K.Member Posts: 763
    Both of these papers (sun & daily mail) are the lowest of the low. That doesn't stop me buying more than one on Lego days though.
    BOBJACK_JACKBOB
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 20,298
    donutboy said:

    Both of these papers (sun & daily mail) are the lowest of the low. That doesn't stop me buying more than one on Lego days though.

    Aren't they all? Take the Daily Express - not exactly much better, always seemed to be made up crap about Diana, then Madeleine McCann, and more recently just as xenophobic as the Daily Mail.
  • CheekaCheeka UKMember Posts: 236

    Suns cheaper so that would be my choice.

    Spoken like a true Yorkshire man :smile:
    SirKevbagsKevin_Hyatt
  • monkeyhangermonkeyhanger Member Posts: 3,152
    If only the Daily Sport did Lego polybags.... ;)
  • wayneggwaynegg Texas,USAMember Posts: 394
    Lol! Reading this thread I now fully understand where Ms. Rowling found her inspiration...
    pharmjod
  • VenunderVenunder Nottingham, UK.Member Posts: 2,617
    It would be better if Metro did the Lego promos. :) :) :)
    Totally free Lego......
    alexwilAdeelZubairRenegade007cjhcarlqGothamConstructionCo
  • thenosthenos Twin Cities, MNMember Posts: 444
    edited January 2015
    As an American I imagine you all with Martin Freeman levels of awkwardness attempting to buy a newspaper for the LEGO.

    "Sorry, um, do you... Do you have the um, Daily Mail? I'm just getting it, well, for the LEGO. I don't read the articles. No, no no. Yes. Right. Thank you. Yes. Good."
    LostInTranslationsnowhitiewayneggaldreddGothamConstructionCopharmjod
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 20,298
    edited January 2015
    thenos said:

    I don't read the articles.

    Well, the experiment that the Sun is currently trying is to see if people do buy it to read it, or just to look at the pictures. Or one picture in particular.

    PS. You didn't mention the word please. It has to be used at least three times in a sentence that long.
    carlqGothamConstructionCothenos
  • curiouscurious Member Posts: 36

    Xefan said:

    Waiting till the shops is empty / feeling dirty - I don't get it, you're buying a newspaper.

    That's okay, don't beat yourself up about it.

    Here, I'll help you. Some people actually give a shit about their country and the way it leans politically. Newspapers in the UK are extremely political and hence incredibly biased on such topics and their position coupled with shady dealings has historically given their owners and editors a disproportionate amount of political leverage. Had your benefits cut recently? Blame The Daily Mail. Had your tuition fees hiked? Go blame The Times. Can't find a decent plumber? Blame The Sun for scaring them off. Fed up of society being full of freeloaders? Blame The Daily Mirror. Hate the fact we're still in Europe? blame The Guardian. Hate the possibility that we might end up out of Europe? Blame The Telegraph.

    Thus, when people with an urge to acquire an item that they love are left with a choice between having to support a newspaper that they find politically offensive or not having it at all, they might feel a little unhappy about the idea.

    Personally I choose not to have it at all than pay for a paper that I find politically offensive. Others? Well, that's upto them, it's about choice, a wonderful thing we have in a society where we're thankfully not ruled by forum dictators that insist we should adhere to their moral standards of only being able to complain if your free stuff comes with a porn mag.

    Each to their own, but don't try and demand others live by your standards of ignorance.
    Forgive me but I thought this was a lego website, if I want to talk politics I'll go find a website to talk about politics.

    That's what bugs me about these threads, I understand everyone has different opinions and I have no problen with people having their own opinions, but do we constantly need to have this forum going all political?

    It's lego, and free lego at that! Be grateful, we're pretty much the only country that gets these newspaper giveaways. Be grateful and stop Moaning about which newspaper it is.
    The Daily Mail does far more harm than shell ever did. I will be writing to lego to ask them to end their relationship with this trashy paper, it damages the brand to be associated with a hate publication.
  • plasmodiumplasmodium UKMember Posts: 1,950
    edited January 2015
    thenos said:

    As an American I imagine you all with Martin Freeman levels of awkwardness attempting to buy a newspaper for the LEGO.

    "Sorry, um, do you... Do you have the um, Daily Mail? I'm just getting it, well, for the LEGO. I don't read the articles. No, no no. Yes. Right. Thank you. Yes. Good."

    I love the way Martin Freeman acts, because it's actually the way I (and I guess a lot of other Brits) would act in real life!
    (And as such, I was a bit disappointed when he only had three or four lines in the whole Hobbit trilogy, but that's another story...)

    But @CCC is right - there would be at least one 'please'. You would also say "thank you" as you gave them the paper, again as you gave them the money, and again when you took the paper back and finally again when they give you the change. And maybe again as you leave.
    MatthewbluemooseLostInTranslationsnowhitiethenos
  • GreendudeGreendude Member Posts: 58
    CCC said:

    thenos said:

    I don't read the articles.

    Well, the experiment that the Sun is currently trying is to see if people do buy it to read it, or just to look at the pictures. Or one picture in particular.
    I assumed it was bowing to pressure groups who have successfully campaigned for lads mags to be placed on the top shelf with their covers obscured. I assume the next logical step for these groups would be to have page 3 tabloids also removed from visibility which would massively damage sales.
  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    ^ nope theres a suspicion that some advertisers aren't happy with the page 3 stuff and that removing it will increase advertising revenue.
  • ShibShib UKMember Posts: 5,477
    Is everyone aware that the Sun have printed a page 3 girl today and basically taken shots at the rest of the media essentially admitting it was a marketing ploy?
  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    ^ If they have, its an odd spin as the story emanated from The Times - another News Corp UK paper.
  • ShibShib UKMember Posts: 5,477
    edited January 2015
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30928544

    It seems the whole thing is just massive marketing with the Sun ultimately saying "We'll do whatever the hell we want"
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 20,298
    Maybe they need to put the newspaper in blind packaging so you don't know if page three is there or not before you buy it. Even better if it was in 3D, as people would have to feel to identify the contents ... :-)
  • XefanXefan Member Posts: 1,149

    ^ If they have, its an odd spin as the story emanated from The Times - another News Corp UK paper.

    No that was a key part of it it seems. They used The Times to create a false legitimacy around the story.

    Which wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact The Sun is trying to claim some moral high ground on the issue about proving a point that the media believes everything it hears when in fact the real moral of the story is that it turns out you can't trust The Times about anything as it may well be printing a bunch more lies to try and get publicity for its sister papers.

  • KingDaveKingDave UKMember Posts: 973
    I was already boycotting the Sun, now I feel obliged to boycott the Times as well.

    Free Lego with any non News Corp papers I say.
  • PaperballparkPaperballpark Near ManchesterMember Posts: 4,220
    What makes me laugh is people who think The Sun and The Times do the same thing, just because they're owned by the same parent company.

    To me, it seems quite obvious that The Times were caught out by this as much as anyone.

    Anyway, personally I think that The Sun is a bit more balanced than the Daily Mail, although they are both very successful at knowing their readers and giving them what they want.

    As, indeed, are the Mirror and the Guardian. Personally, I wouldn't ever buy either, although free Lego might tempt me, with the paper being put in the bin.

    In the end, you make your political choices and you buy the relevant paper. What gets my goat is people on here assuming that everyone on here thinks the same as them politically, which I can assure them is not the case.
  • XefanXefan Member Posts: 1,149

    What makes me laugh is people who think The Sun and The Times do the same thing, just because they're owned by the same parent company.

    Given that they have in the past and that The Times source was Murdoch himself then the only other possibility is that The Sun has gone completely rogue from its parent company which frankly seems even more unlikely if you know anything about how the Murdoch empire is run - something even a casual observance of the phone hacking trials taught us in great depth about.
    KingDave
  • cheshirecatcheshirecat Member Posts: 5,332
    ^ exactly I doubt it was a rouse, more likely it did impact sales and they realised they needed to turn it around quickly before people got out of the habit of wasting their money. If it was a rouse what was the point. they're loosing an average of 10% of their sales year on year. They've got better things to be doing.
  • RedbullgivesuwindRedbullgivesuwind Brickset's Secret HeadquatersMember Posts: 2,052

    What gets my goat is people on here assuming that everyone on here thinks the same as them politically, which I can assure them is not the case.

    One day you will all think like me. One day! One Day! *schemes in the Agents volcano lair*
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