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  • oldtodd33oldtodd33 Member Posts: 2,696
    I don't know how they do their QC, but from the product I buy it is pretty darned good. Very few errors and very few missing pieces, that would be the hard part especially considering the number of pieces in the larger sets.

    I have also come across many people who couldn't care less about the product quality as long as the customer gets the product and doesn't complain and they get paid right away they are happy.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Member Posts: 10,789
    Again, fun to play owner when you are not and to think with your heart instead of head. And by the way you ARE playing with other peoples money. It is really easy to simplify someone else's actions and how 'easy' it ' must' be for LEGO to do this or that. LEGO is not a charity, they are a business. Everything they do takes money to do.
    You are assuming this does not cost LEGO money to stop what they are doing to make more of a set relevant for another 3 weeks and are apparently then assuming LEGO will sell all of what they make in the next 3 weeks around Halloween, but guess what? They may or may not sell like that, and I think many of the business people types on here would say a box sitting on a shelf and not moving is not making money and costing money by sitting there, but I'm sure they will correct me if I am wrong. To top it off, the place they would likely sell many of what they do make, the US, does not allow discounts on exclusives. So they sit there and gather dust until they sell every last one they make at retail. However long that could take, because they really do not know). Well do not make that many you say? OK then they do not then they sell out before Halloween again, then you have people complaining 'oh LEGO, why did you not make enough again?!
    If I play this little game of 'what if', and could throw the monetary concerns out of the window I would easily remake EN, IF, VW Bug, Cafe Corner, Green Grocer, and Market street. It is easy for me to say that because I do not lose anything. I'm not paying for all the material, and shutting down more profitable lines to do it.
  • mathewmathew Member Posts: 2,099
    madforLEGO (a very suitable name BTW) you sure seem overly defensive of any criticism of your favorite brand of building blocks. I personally find blind corporate allegiance to be disgusting but we're all guilty of it from time to time. However, I find it silly to to come to the defense of a company that thumbs it's nose at it's most loyal fans time and time again. I'm more or less trying to get you to see the light, but it might be a lost cause.
  • oldtodd33oldtodd33 Member Posts: 2,696
    @madforLEGO Did you even read my post? Your statement is the same tired old fact less statement you repeat over and over while not coming up with any facts of your own. Feel free to post something worthwhile next please.

    By the way, I Don't need another HH, I have my usual two copies so you can stop saying thinking with my heart instead of my head. I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just trying to argue that this set should have been around a while longer.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Member Posts: 10,789
    @oldtodd33‌ : I think I have made my statements quite clear. You want to knock them, that is your right, but I draw the line when someone essentially calls my opinions worthless. Your remarks about my comments do not invalidate my opinions and I have every right to repeat them (unless an admin considers them spam, in which case I will abide to their wishes). Or are you one of those people that think 'everyone is entitled to their opinions unless they clash with mine then they are worthless and baseless'?
    I say 'hearts instead of heads' and 'playing with a company's money' because if people would concede/realize LEGO is a business, and businesses have a plan to make money to keep running and make a profit, that due to this sometimes stuff like this will occur. LEGO is not sitting in a corner thinking about how they can hose a bunch of people out of a set that has been out for 2 1/2 years (uh oh, repeating myself again). And if my repeating what I say is all you are taking from my statements to rail on about, then whatever, as I cannot control that. Finally do not act like you have all 'the facts' either, that is a joke IMO. This forum is filled with opinions, or again are you only considering those opinions you agree with 'worthwhile' and 'facts'? I could just as easily say your comments are not worthwhile too, but does that really make them not 'worthwhile'?

    @mathew, there is no secret we clash from time to time. However, calling my statements a 'blind corporate allegiance' issue is just ridiculous IMO, considering how I rail about how LEGO is looking more and more like they did in the bad old says of the late 90's and if not careful can run into problems (I guess you only see what you want to). However, I'm a realist as well and offering possible reasons why LEGO cannot always placate to a small group of people because a set happened to run out before Halloween. Never mind the ridiculous statements about how 'heads will roll' because a set did not last until Halloween (.. PLEASE...).

    Sets that get released are going to end of line. LEGO makes stocks in batches, if they run out and LEGO decides to not make anymore, that is business, especially not surprising if said set has been out for 2 1/2 years. I'm wagering the 'Loyal ' fans you are speaking of are not buying enough HH to equal the amount of product that Ninjago, SW, and City Fans ('loyal' and casual) are buying currently. LEGO is not running sets out for an infinite amount of time (Despite the DS apparently sticking around for another year). Otherwise no one would have to pay 1000 USD for a Cafe Corner, or 2K for a UCS Falcon.

    So LEGO apparently will make more HH, if you believe the CS letter posted in another thread, so people may get their chance to get one. But will that number made appease those who want to metaphorically decapitate LEGO execs because stock just happened to run out before Halloween? Again it would be easy for me to say 'LEGO is stupid, they should make 20K of them because people may want one before Halloween and can afford to pay 180 USD for the set and they will sell like hotcakes'. However I know that is not as clear cut as it sounds. It takes money, resources, time, and a roll of the dice as to whether that 20K would sell out or sit around taking up valuable space in a warehouse. However there are those that seem to think it is just that easy, but I notice that none of those people seem to be LEGO company execs.

    Now all being said, it is what it is, and no sense beating my head against a wall anymore with this discussion. Whether you think my opinion is wrong or right, it is mine and it is not changing.

    I wish you both well and look forward to other posted comments and discussions with you both.
  • BillybrownBillybrown Member Posts: 748
    edited October 2014
    oldtodd33 said:

    I don't know how they do their QC, but from the product I buy it is pretty darned good. Very few errors and very few missing pieces, that would be the hard part especially considering the number of pieces in the larger sets.

    That's the point I'm making. You can't make an assumption about manufacturing without considering quality control. I don't know their Q.C procedures, none of us do unless we're in that environment, but yes most of us would agree it must be quite good and that time needs to be factored into the manufacturing process.
  • oldtodd33oldtodd33 Member Posts: 2,696
    ^ Without going into a long winded explanation of the process, QC is always done during the production run and unless there is some sort of quality issue the QC work is always done during the run time and doesn't take any real production time.
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