EXPIRED: Haunted House 10228 available on [email protected] USA

legogregors

The name of the thread should be changed. The set has been available for minutes at a time over the last week from amazon and target and then sells out.

prevere

Unfortunately, even if it appears at [email protected] again, it'll be for minutes as well.

mathew

Lego so dropped the ball on retiring this set right before Halloween. Heads should roll.

madforLEGO

LEGO has a schedule on EOLing sets. LEGO cannot account for speculators that do everything they can to buy buy buy before an 'optimal' time.
And it is not a Halloween set, it is a haunted house from the MF line.
People assume that Halloween is celebrated everywhere, it is not. Many countries could not give a flying fig about 'Halloween'.

It is the same reason why the run out of Holiday winter village sets before Christmas, it happens. Maybe people should not be waiting until the last minute before purchasing a set. As it has been out for a couple of Halloween's now I believe.

Bumblepants

It is likely they have geared up their assembly lines to get as much Christmas product rolling out the door as possible. Getting Friends, Chima, Ninjago, and City in as many stores and under as many Christmas trees as possible is far more profitable than selling a few extra Haunted Houses or Town Halls to adults.

oldtodd33

^ Yes, it has been out for a couple of Halloweens now. But it is an expensive set and not everyone can afford to buy buy buy when they don't have the money. Personally, it is a marketing/sales blunder to run out before Halloween.

madforLEGO

oldtodd33 said:

^ Yes, it has been out for a couple of Halloweens now. But it is an expensive set and not everyone can afford to buy buy buy when they don't have the money. Personally, it is a marketing/sales blunder to run out before Halloween.

If they could not buy before, why could they buy before or for Halloween now? Again LEGO cannot keep lines out forever.
I guess they could have noted it was retiring soon, but I doubt that would have not sounded a larger dinner bell for speculators

oldtodd33

^ Some people might have been waiting for Double VIP or were planning to buy specifically for this Halloween and were planning on spending the money now, only they can't because of poor planning on TLG's part. When they retire the set and I don't see why they would retire it anytime soon, it should have been done well after the fact not 30 days before.

madforLEGO

^-Ok, but that date is arbitrary.. why not 6 months from now, a year from now, 2 years, etc. because people may not have the money now but will in 6 months
Again you are also assuming this set is solely for Halloween and not just a Monster Fighters set. Plus there was earlier instances of double points this year when the HH was available.
They ended production before October 31st, but still had stocks of them. It is not their fault if someone decided to try to buy as many as they could (resellers/speculators).

mathew

madforLEGO said:

It is not their fault if someone decided to try to buy as many as they could (resellers/speculators).

Oh quit apologizing for them. Lego could have produced enough to meet demand through the holidays. As I said before, the Haunted House was probably not a big seller aside from AFOL and holiday buyers. It's as simple as keeping the supply chain filled for when people are most likely to purchase.

tamamahm

Another thing to consider... For the non-AFOL buyer, just like every other line, there needs to be a driver.
For many themes it is movies, but for some themes it is a holiday. It is not much different than the entire fall season driving pumpkin spice sales. ;-)

I saw a person just recently looking for Monster Fighter sets at the Lego store.
It is not necessarily even about saving up to buy a large set, but that fall is when people start to think about putting up there Halloween decorations, and most non-AFOLs do not know about 2 year production windows.

CupIsHalfEmpty

What if haunted house actually eol'd last October and just took 12 months to sell out?...

pharmjod

Recent shipments that people have received showed production in the 37th and 38th weeks of this year, so no, it didn't EOL last October and is just now selling out.

graphite

mathew said:

It's as simple as keeping the supply chain filled for when people are most likely to purchase.

Which is most likely exactly what they are doing for the sets they feel will sell for Christmas which have filled the supply chain for probably the last 3-4 months. It isn't like they have endless abilities to produce more sets. They guessed a number, got it wrong and it sold out when there is "supposed" still demand. I'm sure Mr Burns isn't sitting laughing with an evil grin at the idea that a set that might have demand at Halloween is sold out.

mathew

pharmjod said:

Recent shipments that people have received showed production in the 37th and 38th weeks of this year, so no, it didn't EOL last October and is just now selling out.

Right. So where is the remaining stock from this recent production? Was it a small run to fill a backorders and a trickle amount to Amazon and Target? Lego should know by now that resellers will gobble up that inventory.

madforLEGO

mathew said:

madforLEGO said:

It is not their fault if someone decided to try to buy as many as they could (resellers/speculators).

Oh quit apologizing for them. Lego could have produced enough to meet demand through the holidays. As I said before, the Haunted House was probably not a big seller aside from AFOL and holiday buyers. It's as simple as keeping the supply chain filled for when people are most likely to purchase.

I hear 'thinking with heart instead of head' here, but you're right. Shame on LEGO! Why do they not have a crystal ball to determine the exact number that is deemed 'enough' by a select few people? Also, maybe you can also tell LEGO what is an 'acceptable' number to have produced to ensure they would not run out before Halloween? Or are you saying LEGO should purposefully keep churning them out until after the 'holiday' they are for.. So then they sit around for another year taking up stock space for other sets they wanted to produce and sell? Then sell out before Halloween next year and then again we have people screaming that they sold out before Halloween again?

I guess it is fun to play with money and production schedules of companies.. I mean LEGO just apparently has to hit the magic switch whenever they want and presto another 5000 Haunted Houses in one day. Well it does not work like that. LEGO has to speculate and plan ahead to make x of a set here and x of a set there, as they are not just making Haunted Houses. LEGO also does not want to be sitting on a ton of sets that may, or may not, sell out by Halloween, but I guess that does not matter at all.
It is the same reason why WV sets run out before Christmas. Is it unfair? Sure, but LEGO would rather run out on a high note than be sitting on stocks of them waiting to sell them out.
You can make any statement as to why LEGO should have made more Monster Fighter sets to account for 'demand' for a holiday that is not celebrated around the world, but I can counter with statements as to why they did not and cannot.

pharmjod

I do wonder how large of a run they produced in the past month. We will see if it shows up for one last hurrah.

Pacific493

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mathew said:

madforLEGO said:

It is not their fault if someone decided to try to buy as many as they could (resellers/speculators).

Oh quit apologizing for them. Lego could have produced enough to meet demand through the holidays. As I said before, the Haunted House was probably not a big seller aside from AFOL and holiday buyers. It's as simple as keeping the supply chain filled for when people are most likely to purchase.

I hate to break it to you, but the executives at TLG who are making these decisions are doing so for the good of the owners of the company...not for the good of the consuming public. Like any company, they have a strategic plan and a production schedule, and a set like HH is only one small piece of a much larger corporate operation so why should they care if it sells out 30 days before or after halloween. Ultimately, the only people who are pissed off about the lack of availability of the set at the moment are those who dilly-dallied in buying the set for the 2+ years that it was available and resellers who want to pile into the set now that they know that it is being retired.

wagnerml2

The interesting thing is to see whether the prices will relax a bit AFTER halloween passes. To my recollection, this is the first "seasonal" offering to EOL just before the target season hits. I do believe that the previous posters hit the nail on the head when they say that this set doesn't move most months not called September and October. If demand drops after Halloween, then the price should drop accordingly. I am not saying it will drop to RRP, but $250 instead of $300 or $325 could be possible for folks not wanting to hold the stock for another year.

mathew

^ I agree that prices will relax after the Holidays. Honestly, I wasn't that interested in it until a few weeks ago. Of course part of that is panic seeing it disappear everywhere at once. Oh well, I'll just have to dig out the Vampyre Castle from storage and build it instead this year.

mathew

Pacific493 said:

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mathew said:

madforLEGO said:

It is not their fault if someone decided to try to buy as many as they could (resellers/speculators).

Oh quit apologizing for them. Lego could have produced enough to meet demand through the holidays. As I said before, the Haunted House was probably not a big seller aside from AFOL and holiday buyers. It's as simple as keeping the supply chain filled for when people are most likely to purchase.

Ultimately, the only people who are pissed off about the lack of availability of the set at the moment are those who dilly-dallied in buying the set for the 2+ years that it was available and resellers who want to pile into the set now that they know that it is being retired.

Of course. But it's another example of Lego underestimating demand. Their retail chain management is rather poor. I can tell you that if they shipped a couple of pallets to every Lego B&M over the next couple of weeks that they would sell every one of them. And that's with in-store reseller monitoring. Lost revenue for Lego, happy resellers and disgruntled customers. Do you think that's what the executives really want?

LegoManiacc

^TLG is basically printing money right now 24/7. You're talking about stopping the press so they can stamp some George Washingtons. They aren't stopping that press to make that swap because they are only interested in Jacksons and Benjamins.

madforLEGO

mathew said:

Pacific493 said:

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mathew said:

madforLEGO said:

It is not their fault if someone decided to try to buy as many as they could (resellers/speculators).

Oh quit apologizing for them. Lego could have produced enough to meet demand through the holidays. As I said before, the Haunted House was probably not a big seller aside from AFOL and holiday buyers. It's as simple as keeping the supply chain filled for when people are most likely to purchase.

Ultimately, the only people who are pissed off about the lack of availability of the set at the moment are those who dilly-dallied in buying the set for the 2+ years that it was available and resellers who want to pile into the set now that they know that it is being retired.

Of course. But it's another example of Lego underestimating demand. Their retail chain management is rather poor. I can tell you that if they shipped a couple of pallets to every Lego B&M over the next couple of weeks that they would sell every one of them. And that's with in-store reseller monitoring. Lost revenue for Lego, happy resellers and disgruntled customers. Do you think that's what the executives really want?

Again heart instead of head. You are assuming that there are 1000's of people that are clamoring for these. If you are wrong in your assumption, then LEGO has a ton of these sitting around taking up valuable space in the warehouse and store shelves. Whereas they are still making a ton of money selling other, newer sets.

Again while it is nice for people to play with other peoples money and company, LEGO cannot just stop and make x or y of this or that set for the HOPE that 'every pallet' they send out -that cost them money in stopping other lines (guessing they are making '15 sets now)- will be emptied and not cause stores to have to eat up space to leave them around. So you want them to delay other lines because of the hope that 1000 will all sell out in the stores in the next few weeks?

Now, when LEGO and the stores had the option of discounting exclusives to rid themselves of a set, then it was not a huge deal, but they cannot do that anymore. At least not in the US, where most people are likely going to 'clamor' for them.

cloaked7

As someone said, the HH is just one set. My guess is that they would have liked for the set to have still been in stock during Halloween and that was probably their plan. Seems like a no-brainer to most everyone. And, they have a plan not only for production of the HH, but for every set.

My guess is that they'll just caulk this up to one they missed and maybe make adjustments to try and prevent similar events in the future. How many different sets does LEGO make right now? About 1,200? So, they misjudged the HH. I'm sure there are a lot of sets they misjudge. We see misjudge set volume on a regular basis, or in our opinion we think they do.

It is difficult to get production mix 100% correct. Difficult to know exact what demand will be and to plan production across over 1,000 sets. I figure LEGO thinks they get a lot more right than they do wrong.

Pacific493

mathew said:

Pacific493 said:

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mathew said:

madforLEGO said:

It is not their fault if someone decided to try to buy as many as they could (resellers/speculators).

Oh quit apologizing for them. Lego could have produced enough to meet demand through the holidays. As I said before, the Haunted House was probably not a big seller aside from AFOL and holiday buyers. It's as simple as keeping the supply chain filled for when people are most likely to purchase.

Ultimately, the only people who are pissed off about the lack of availability of the set at the moment are those who dilly-dallied in buying the set for the 2+ years that it was available and resellers who want to pile into the set now that they know that it is being retired.

Of course. But it's another example of Lego underestimating demand. Their retail chain management is rather poor. I can tell you that if they shipped a couple of pallets to every Lego B&M over the next couple of weeks that they would sell every one of them. And that's with in-store reseller monitoring. Lost revenue for Lego, happy resellers and disgruntled customers. Do you think that's what the executives really want?

I think that the TLG executives want to make money for TLG and have shown a remarkable ability to do so over the last few years. Given the company's recent financial performance, I would suspect that whatever resources they would have to spend to manufacture and distribute all of those pallets of HHs that you envision are better allocated to other sets or products. Remember...TLG execs have a lot more to consider and account for than the potential sales experience of a single set that is near the end of its lifespan.

oldtodd33

^ The ONLY reason HH is at the end of it's life is because TLG says so. How long has #10188 DS been around, 6 years so far. I was talking to an employee at a Lego store recently and was told they just got x amount of DS sets in and hadn't had any since May. I know the number they told me and I can say for sure TLG would sell more HH on a busy Saturday than the store just got DS for a 3 month supply. That just tells me something screwy is going on here.

Now as far as this 2 year lifespan goes, if they want to redesign a police/fire station every 2 years because children grow up and want to see something new, I could believe that. But this set isn't meant for children, it is an afol set only I don't think they should be sticking to the 2 year rule here. But what do I know, I'm just the customer not business executives like all the rest of you.

cloaked7

^ Yup the DS is an enigma. Well, it sure is to me. :-) As I look over at the ones I bought years ago.

mathew

Pacific493 said:

Ultimately, the only people who are pissed off about the lack of availability of the set at the moment are those who dilly-dallied in buying the set for the 2+ years that it was available and resellers who want to pile into the set now that they know that it is being retired.



Remember...TLG execs have a lot more to consider and account for than the potential sales experience of a single set that is near the end of its lifespan.

However, look at the Research Institute. Nobody "dilly-dallied" with that set. It was literally sold out within 24 hours of release. Either Lego purposely held back on it to generate hype or they completely blew it with their market analysis. Same goes for Minecraft the previous year. So it doesn't really surprise me that Lego ran out of stock on the Haunted House two months prior to Halloween. They seem rather oblivious to their success. And then blame resellers for it ; )

madforLEGO

oldtodd33 said:

^ The ONLY reason HH is at the end of it's life is because TLG says so. How long has #10188 DS been around, 6 years so far. I was talking to an employee at a Lego store recently and was told they just got x amount of DS sets in and hadn't had any since May. I know the number they told me and I can say for sure TLG would sell more HH on a busy Saturday than the store just got DS for a 3 month supply. That just tells me something screwy is going on here.

Now as far as this 2 year lifespan goes, if they want to redesign a police/fire station every 2 years because children grow up and want to see something new, I could believe that. But this set isn't meant for children, it is an afol set only I don't think they should be sticking to the 2 year rule here. But what do I know, I'm just the customer not business executives like all the rest of you.

Assuming is great when it is not your money or profit margin to worry about. Also, Comparing to DS is apple and oranges IMO. DS is Star wars. Haunted house is from Monster Fighters line, not a mod, not creator, not Star wars. So guess what? They happen to run out before Halloween, now everyone wants the HH to run like DS for 6 years? So in the 7th year you will have people complain it should be out longer?
As for DS, I'm sure people will also whine about the DS when it is gone.. 'Ohhh, why didn't LEGO keep it out for 6 more months?' Instead of thinking 'ohh why did I not buy it before it was EOL?'
Is it bad timing? I guess, but again I'm sure LEGO made a typical quantity run before having to switch to another line to prepare for next years sets, maybe even the Detective agency.
But why stop at blaming LEGO? Where was Amazon, Target, TRUs, and Walmarts stocks? Why didn't they order enough to make it through Halloween as well? Because they would rather run out when demand is high than be stuck with a ton of them after demand has passed. Also people forget LEGO has to produce based on world demand not just the places where Halloween is prevalent.
Apparently people still think there is a magic switch where everything magically is set up to make a run of HH and that LEGO can afford to drop everything to do it.
It is the same reason why many sought after sets are gone by Christmas, LEGO would rather the sets run out in the gift giving season than have them clogging the space for next years sets.

oldtodd33

^ Ok, you can stop repeating yourself over and over about their profit margin we all know they are now the worlds number one toy maker. I wonder why? Also, if you read this article you will find out that your excuse about Halloween is also a little sad in that there are actually certain parts of third world countries that haven't heard of Halloween yet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Halloween

rocao

mathew said:

I can tell you that if they shipped a couple of pallets to every Lego B&M over the next couple of weeks that they would sell every one of them. And that's with in-store reseller monitoring. Lost revenue for Lego, happy resellers and disgruntled customers. Do you think that's what the executives really want?

You _can_ tell us that, but you'd most assuredly be wrong. My local LEGO store never moved Haunted House at that rate ever, not even close. Obviously having the Haunted House on shelves through October would have been great, and as others have posted, the odds are more likely than not that they intended for it, but lo and behold, they sold them a little faster than planned. That's mostly a positive development. The only real negative aspect I see is if there is a quantifiable loss of foot traffic from people only wanting to come in for that set. But I just don't think that's much.

Keep in mind we're talking about a $180 LEGO set. That isn't really an impulse buy that needs to be attached to a seasonal affect. For every person you show me that's interested enough in LEGO for that kind of spend that would buy it if it were on the shelf today, I'll show you ten that are in the same demographic and already bought it at some point over the past two years. It's not remotely the same production blunder as selling out of something within the first week of debut. Saying 'heads will roll' is just ludicrous, and pretty tasteless considering recent world events.

People keep claiming missing out on revenue, but that's not what's happening since TLG is operating at full production capacity and are selling everything they make without major discounting. It's the same revenue, just obtained from a different product, and I'm pretty sure Haunted House is on the lower range of profit margin among its product mix, to boot.

mathew

rocao said:

Saying 'heads will roll' is just ludicrous, and pretty tasteless considering recent world events.

Oh my, the PC police are out tonight. Next you'll be telling me that Jabba's Palace is mocking Muslims. "Heads will roll" is a saying that is old as dirt. And if you think it's a recent phenomenon in the middle east then you would certainly be out of touch. It's just that it's being used as a reason by the media and our governments as a means to get us into another endless war.

Pacific493

mathew said:

Pacific493 said:

Ultimately, the only people who are pissed off about the lack of availability of the set at the moment are those who dilly-dallied in buying the set for the 2+ years that it was available and resellers who want to pile into the set now that they know that it is being retired.



Remember...TLG execs have a lot more to consider and account for than the potential sales experience of a single set that is near the end of its lifespan.

However, look at the Research Institute. Nobody "dilly-dallied" with that set. It was literally sold out within 24 hours of release. Either Lego purposely held back on it to generate hype or they completely blew it with their market analysis. Same goes for Minecraft the previous year. So it doesn't really surprise me that Lego ran out of stock on the Haunted House two months prior to Halloween. They seem rather oblivious to their success. And then blame resellers for it ; )

A set being sold out at the beginning of its lifespan is very different than a set being sold out at the end of its lifespan. The former occurs when TLG misreads the market demand...the later happens by design.

rocao

I didn't say it was a new phenomenon, I said it was insensitive. But even if you want to dismiss that, the salient point is that it's ludicrous to suggest that people should be ignobly fired because a toy at the end of its lifecycle was sold out before a holiday that is not associated with any gift giving beyond candy.

madforLEGO

oldtodd33 said:

^ Ok, you can stop repeating yourself over and over about their profit margin we all know they are now the worlds number one toy maker. I wonder why? Also, if you read this article you will find out that your excuse about Halloween is also a little sad in that there are actually certain parts of third world countries that haven't heard of Halloween yet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Halloween

You know how LEGO has a great profit margin? Because they keep moving to new sets. (People should be thankful that LEGO keeps Mods available for 5 years).
Fun to play with a company's money when you do not have anything to lose in it (is that better)?
As for other cultures celebrating one form of Halloween or another, interesting stuff, but I guarantee you that the US goes crazier than anyone else in terms of merchandising and commerce for this 'Holiday' (as the US version of Halloween is more of commercialism than anything holy at this point). Are people in these other countries all willing to pop on a 180 dollar 'Halloween' set (even though it is not really a 'Halloween' set)? US is still up there in consumerism, but is it enough to justify LEGO producing 1000,2000,3000+ sets globally?

But all of it is apparently a mute point as according to the 'prediction' thread someone got a LEGO CS reply that they are making more. Now whether LEGO is actually doing this and will get them out during the 'prime time' for these sets time will tell. My guess is you will likely not see them in store, but online only.
Also, interested to know whether LEGO actually succumbed to pressure from consumers to get more made, or they were always intending to make more?
Another interesting question is when they say 'making more', how many is this? 50, 100, 1000, will it be enough to placate the demand of 'experts' that do not run LEGO? Probably not. They will likely run out the minute it lists, if available before Halloween-maybe even after Halloween, as the resellers will likely pounce again and it will either be on back order until November (after the holiday that it would work for), or Sold out again. Then people will be back here complaining that not enough were made again and that LEGO is trying to emotionally scar their kids and then kick their dog or something.

emilewski

madforLEGO said:

oldtodd33 said:

My guess is you will likely not see them in store, but online only.

Actually, if it comes back in a limited amount I am thinking that it will be in store only, and not online. Look at what they are doing with the Tumbler now, and the RI is supposed to come back in limited quantities in the stores any day now, but only in the stores and not online. TLG apparently has been making some moves to drive more people to the brand stores.

Billybrown

Thinking from a marketing point of view if it was my brand, I'd want to attract as many customers to the stores as possible. There is rent to pay, and other overheads, so it does seem logical to attract more to the stores by limiting online availability. The stores are nicely laid out, generally excellent customer service, so stores are well geared up for more customers and theres more of an attraction in going to a Lego store and physically looking at whats on show. When my daughter is old enough I'd hope she'd come along with me and see what all the fuss is about..the visual aspect, communication, hands on, fun. So I think it's about getting the balance right between buying online, and in store, both have pros and cons. Logistics are better than they used to be, but its still 100 miles to my nearest store, so I'm guessing it won't always be easy tempting a youngster to a store 2 hours away.

If they are going down the route of being more 'in store' TLG need to further expand on their stores without damaging their business model too much, which lets face it, they are doing pretty damn well at the moment based on figures that is.

madforLEGO

emilewski said:

Actually, if it comes back in a limited amount I am thinking that it will be in store only, and not online. Look at what they are doing with the Tumbler now, and the RI is supposed to come back in limited quantities in the stores any day now, but only in the stores and not online. TLG apparently has been making some moves to drive more people to the brand stores.

I'm guessing it will take time to move these to the stores and by then Halloween may be over or nearly over (as it is up in the air as to when they would be out the factory door), I would think it would make no sense in dumping 10-20 sets on each store if it is right on or after Halloween. It would make more sense for LEGO to sell them online, it saves them money from distributing them to the stores and for the stores to take up shelf space with these large boxes (especially if they happen to sit for a few weeks when new stuff is coming out).

emilewski

^ Perhaps...although the Tumblers take up a lot of space too and they could have saved shipping by putting online but did not. If they want to drive people to the stores then they can put HH there and not online...based on all the discussion above does anyone REALLY think they are going to sit on the shelves for more than a couple of days before resellers and AFOLs that missed out snatch them up? Even after Halloween. But we will see.

madforLEGO

emilewski said:

^ Perhaps...although the Tumblers take up a lot of space too and they could have saved shipping by putting online but did not. If they want to drive people to the stores then they can put HH there and not online...based on all the discussion above does anyone REALLY think they are going to sit on the shelves for more than a couple of days before resellers and AFOLs that missed out snatch them up? Even after Halloween. But we will see.

Tumbler and HH is apples and oranges. Tumbler was just released and will likely be at stores for quite some time. HH ison its way out this year (likely) and I believe most stores already no longer have space to sell them at because they sold out at the stores long ago. Plus Tumbler is not being given to stores due to a holiday, like HH apparently is. People are assuming they will all be snapped up, but I am not so sure. and if LEGO misses and stores are stuck having even two or three of these to have to put on a shelf that is space that cannot be used for current and newer sets that may be attracting more attention.

Dad

In the UK HH is sat on shelves in the stores or they were last weekend.

madforLEGO

Dad said:

In the UK HH is sat on shelves in the stores or they were last weekend.

Sorry, should have said that the store by me. I'm guessing (only guessing) many of the stores in the US are sold out of them. They could still have them, but I know the store by me is out of them, and really do ont have the space to put them on a shelf.

oldtodd33

OK, after crunching some numbers @madforLEGO. I have found that Lego makes about 5,200,000 bricks per hour and that #10228 has 2056 bricks in it. At that rate to produce an extra 500 sets would have taken about an extra 15 minutes of production time. Hardly playing with anybodies money so you can stop with that little tidbit. I also found that Ebay has sold about 160 HH sets new and used at mostly marked up prices since about mid-August. At that rate it would take about 5 months since mid-August to sell out of those extra 500 sets if they were all sent to the USA/Canada. Making the sell out date somewhere in January of 2015.

If you are really that worried about shelf space in the stores which there wouldn't be any if they kept them all online, they could use the space that #10224 took up because that one is gone for good also. Although I don't see anyone complaining about that one, myself included.

Bumblepants

^Set production is slightly more complex than that.

oldtodd33

^ No, it's not.

graphite

^ really? wow. Here is just ONE example of how it becomes just ever so "slightly" more complicated to prove you wrong.

Lets say you can do 5.2 million bricks per hour (mind you that is stamping plastic and no other part of the process that already makes it more complicated).

If you have 200 different components in HH. But you only have 100 stamping machines and in order to do 5.2 million a day each machine stamps 1 part for a full day. You now ALREADY have 2 days it takes to get all the parts for HH.

Slight more complicated. This discussion probably will go no where because it is obvious the logistics of manufacturing are out of reach.

goshe7

graphite said:

This discussion probably will go ...

on and on?

graphite

^ you forgot a couple on's

oldtodd33

I've been in production for 25 years. Once a machine is set up and running, the run time is nothing compared to the set up time. Obviously my comment above is lost on people who have NOT been in production and I was quoting the extra time that it would take to make the extra parts while they were already running.

I have seen people above wishing that HH and TH were coming back and they are not. Lego will not waste the time to get everything together again.

Billybrown

oldtodd33 said:

I've been in production for 25 years. Once a machine is set up and running, the run time is nothing compared to the set up time. Obviously my comment above is lost on people who have NOT been in production and I was quoting the extra time that it would take to make the extra parts while they were already running.

I have seen people above wishing that HH and TH were coming back and they are not. Lego will not waste the time to get everything together again.

You havn't mentioned quality control, for a company such as Lego I would think this would take up a significant amount of time. Having worked in engineering, I came across many a company who were focused too much on churning out as much product as possible and not paying enough attention to the finished product.