LEGO fight Against Chinese counterfeit LEGO

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  • ScatterbugScatterbug WalesMember Posts: 109


    So they're not ripping off Lego (for once) and they are possibly working with the MOC designer. I'm not au fait with Gundam - is this a direct copy of a mech?
  • gantaratgantarat bangkok,thailandMember Posts: 35


    So they're not ripping off Lego (for once) and they are possibly working with the MOC designer. I'm not au fait with Gundam - is this a direct copy of a mech?

    No,MOC designer didn't work with Lepin and He not happy about it.



    VorpalRyuAanchir
  • gantaratgantarat bangkok,thailandMember Posts: 35
    edited September 2018
    Sluban do AvP Set.


    Also there was do Pacific Rim 2 Mech Before.


    Pretty Neat !
    mafon
  • CyberdragonCyberdragon Maryland, U.S.AMember Posts: 378
    What even is that branding? It just looks wrong, in an odd sort of way.
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,226
    An interview with the designer of the Gundam MOC that pretty much confirms Lepin are just being asses:
    http://brickingaround.com/2018/09/19/lepin-steals-design-from-talented-local-afol/
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,788
    There is an interesting line ... "I doubt anyone could replicate what I built."

    Maybe Lepin didn't, and they built their own that looks very similar but slightly different where they couldn't work out his design.


  • gantaratgantarat bangkok,thailandMember Posts: 35
    CCC said:
    There is an interesting line ... "I doubt anyone could replicate what I built."

    Maybe Lepin didn't, and they built their own that looks very similar but slightly different where they couldn't work out his design.


    Yeah,No way that Lepin can reverse engineering by watch from his pic only.

    But in that case,That mean Lepin make set by inspire his design?
  • gantaratgantarat bangkok,thailandMember Posts: 35
    Decool do Brickheadz Voltron/Golion
    1 Robot + 5 Tiger Machine
    dmcc0FowlerBricksmafon
  • CaptainPirateManCaptainPirateMan MichiganMember Posts: 335
    edited September 2018
    Hey everyone, I'm looking for some advice/thoughts...

    Ok so, as some of you may or may not know, I have a moderately successful Lego YouTube channel (over 2000 subs). Anyways, I just got approached by a knockoff seller to send me sets to review (they clearly want the advertising). The set they are wanting to send me is a Decool technic vehicle. I looked it up, and its NOT a stolen Lego set. Could it be someone MOC? idk? But the fact that it's not an official Lego set makes me feel somewhat interested. Anytime someone wants to send you a brick based toy for free its hard to pass up (even a knockoff). My channel has never really been about technic vehicles (I've honestly never even built one), so my knowledge on them is limited at best. Plus my desire to own such a set is next to none. Honestly (if I were to do it), I would give it to one of my fans after the video came out. It seems like this seller is wanting to do this OFTEN (send me sets), so again it's an interesting opportunity (I can't lie about that). But of course it begs a few questions...

    A little history on my channel. When I first started doing brick based reviews, most of my early reviews WERE for enlighten Pirate Ships. When I came out of my dark ages, I had limited money to spend on the hobby, so I wanted the most BANG for my buck. I could buy 4 or 5 enlighten ships for the price of one Lego ship. So that's why I bought them to begin with. I then decided to do reviews on them, because nobody else had (at that time). Well then I slowly transitioned into Lego, which was always where I wanted to go. I didn't review the Enlighten sets because I was a BIG supporter of their products, it was more out of necessity (they were just what I had when I started my channel). Then I focused completely on Lego for quite a while and grew my collection the RIGHT way. Then along came Lepin...

    Like many others, the idea of getting some of the sets that I NEVER thought I would be able to afford was an interesting thought. So yes, I gave in and bought a handful of RETIRED sets (5 or so). I then reviewed them and gave my honest opinions. I never liked the idea of being a Lepin supporter, and found the idea of buying Lepin versions of current Lego sets distasteful. So my curiousity/desire for Lepin was very short lived. So I then (once again) moved away from any sort of knockoff sets on my channel. Which I have been Lego ONLY for the last year and half at least. I also pretty much gave up on reviews all together (it seems like the Lego YouTube community as a whole has moved away from reviews). So I have focused more on MOCS, my layouts, and our horror Lego collection. So this "offer" is completely out of left field. To be honest it's not something I really all that interested in. But again, if someone wanted to send YOU free sets (even if they were Lepin or Decool) could you or would you say no?
    FowlerBricksSumoLego
  • FowlerBricksFowlerBricks USAMember Posts: 1,625
    ^I think I would say yes, and then video awesome ways to destroy the sets. XD
    CyberdragonCaptainPirateManBaby_Yoda
  • stluxstlux LuxembourgMember Posts: 2,194
    @CaptainPirateMan Are you sure it's not a knock-off from a Lego Technic set? Looking at their Technic offer, they all seem straight copies or at best recolours of existing/retired Lego Technic sets.
    As Decool doesn't seem to have had a single original idea so far, the assumption should be that the set you have been offered is a knock-off of something. 
    SumoLego
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    I would say 'no'.  And only because I view these type of clone brands to be purely parasitic.  If left unchecked, there would be no LEGO.  And without the host, the parasite would die as well.

    Mega Construx, on the other hand, is a competitor with it's own IP and does create it's own (albeit crappy) products.
    BumblepantsstluxCaptainPirateManShibHanzoSprinkleOtterAanchirMr_Cross
  • CaptainPirateManCaptainPirateMan MichiganMember Posts: 335
    ^I think I would say yes, and then video awesome ways to destroy the sets. XD
    I've actually thought about that, lol.
  • CaptainPirateManCaptainPirateMan MichiganMember Posts: 335
    edited September 2018
    SumoLego said:
    I would say 'no'.  And only because I view these type of clone brands to be purely parasitic.  If left unchecked, there would be no LEGO.  And without the host, the parasite would die as well.

    Mega Construx, on the other hand, is a competitor with it's own IP and does create it's own (albeit crappy) products.
    I also feel this way, these brands could end up killing Lego if left unchecked. That's why I have serious reservations about this, because I don't really support these companies. Now if they can step outside of the knockoff market, and actually make their own products, then they "could" become noteworthy. But they have to keep the knockoff aspect out of their products. Enlighten for example, they still have a couple of sets that I would classify as knockoff, but they also seem to be moving towards actual original designs. So even though I wouldn't put them on the Mega Bloks level quite yet, they are at least trending in that direction. Now they are still ripping off minifigures and their clutch quality isn't quite there yet, but at least they are trying I suppose. Perhaps Decool is following enlighten and not so much Lepin? IDK? Just a thought.
  • CaptainPirateManCaptainPirateMan MichiganMember Posts: 335
    stlux said:
    @CaptainPirateMan Are you sure it's not a knock-off from a Lego Technic set? Looking at their Technic offer, they all seem straight copies or at best recolours of existing/retired Lego Technic sets.
    As Decool doesn't seem to have had a single original idea so far, the assumption should be that the set you have been offered is a knock-off of something. 
    As I said earlier, I am NOT a fan of these types of sets (technic), as such I don't follow them either. I did a quick Google search and didn't see any Lego equivalent, but I could be mistaking. So PLEASE tell me if it is an official set.

    https://m.funyroot.com/p-t1685.html
  • datsunrobbiedatsunrobbie West Haven , CTMember Posts: 1,459
    Not a clone, but certainly resembles #8081
  • stluxstlux LuxembourgMember Posts: 2,194
    Clone. B-model of #8081.


    CaptainPirateMan
  • CaptainPirateManCaptainPirateMan MichiganMember Posts: 335
    stlux said:
    Clone. B-model of #8081.


    Thanks, you helped me make up my mind.
  • CaptainPirateManCaptainPirateMan MichiganMember Posts: 335
    So everybody, after discovering this information, I am NOT going to accept this offer. I'm not even going to get the set just to destroy it. Even though it would be an entertaining (and probably popular video), I'm not going to lie. 

    A little more history on myself... I actually bought the Lepin sets BEFORE I rediscovered my Christianity. I'm not going to get all preachy here (I know nobody likes being preached at). But a BIG part of it is NOT lying and NOT stealing. So bottom line, I don't think I could in good conscious even buy a "stolen" set anymore. I also can't lie to this seller, just to get the set to destroy it. So I'm just gonna ignore the seller, and go about my life. :)
    FowlerBricks
  • datsunrobbiedatsunrobbie West Haven , CTMember Posts: 1,459
    ^I'm on the fence about this. I would not buy it for myself, but if I had #8081 I'd consider doing a side-by-side comparison of the two, pointing out that the DeCool set was a blatant rip-off of the Lego original and highlighting the reasons the Lego product is superior. 
    FollowsClosely
  • CaptainPirateManCaptainPirateMan MichiganMember Posts: 335
    ^I'm on the fence about this. I would not buy it for myself, but if I had #8081 I'd consider doing a side-by-side comparison of the two, pointing out that the DeCool set was a blatant rip-off of the Lego original and highlighting the reasons the Lego product is superior. 
    Agreed. If I had the Lego set, then I probably WOULD do it, just to show all the ways Lego is superior. But since I don't... 
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    I think that rationale is a slippery slope.  One good apple doesn't unspoil the bushell.

    If a drug dealer donates half of his ill-gotten gains to cancer research - he's still a drug dealer.
    CaptainPirateMangmonkey76stluxBaby_Yodadmcc0Mr_Cross
  • gantaratgantarat bangkok,thailandMember Posts: 35
    edited October 2018
    Decool and other KO Brick company mostly do military set as an original design (along with clone lego set) but it look like it not going well
  • datsunrobbiedatsunrobbie West Haven , CTMember Posts: 1,459
    Oddball set left sitting on the shelf at Savers. I like the Notice "This product should be dismantled by adults" printed on the box.
    FowlerBricksLegoPegasister2015Baby_Yoda
  • CyberdragonCyberdragon Maryland, U.S.AMember Posts: 378
    That doesn't really look much like Lego though. Sure, it's probably trying to jump on the same market, but it's definately not trying to copy anything.
  • gelkstergelkster MN, USAMember Posts: 487
    That HIQ set gives me the creeps.
  • rd1899rd1899 U.S.A.Member Posts: 143
    edited November 2018
    Lego wins another lawsuit against Lepin.  This time for infringing on 18 building sets and an unspecified number of minifigs.  Details about which specific sets and minifigs do not appear to be available at the moment.

    November 5, 2018: The LEGO Group today received a favourable decision from the Guangzhou Yuexiu District Court against four companies who infringed multiple copyrights of the LEGO Group and conducted acts of unfair competition by producing and distributing LEPIN building sets. It is another significant legal victory in China for the LEGO Group in its battle against imitators over the past two years.

    According to the decisions issued by the court, the four defendants, Shantou Meizhi Model Co., Ltd., et al, are liable for copying the 3-dimensional artworks of 18 LEGO® sets, multiple LEGO Minifigures, as well as for carrying out unfair competition acts.

    The court ordered, among other things, that the four defendants shall immediately cease producing, selling, exhibiting or in any way promoting the infringing products, and shall pay the LEGO Group approximately RMB 4.5 million as damages.

    Per the Reuters write-up, RMB 4.5 million is roughly $650,000 (USD).
    SumoLegostluxalexwilMr_Crosspxchris
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    I get the sense LEGO made this investment in these legal cases to create a chilling effect on prospective cloners and IP violators.

    Very happy to see their efforts have been modestly successful.
    Muftak1AanchirBaby_YodaalexwilMr_Crosscatwrangler
  • AanchirAanchir United StatesMember Posts: 2,803
    Yeah, while it certainly won't put an end to counterfeiting entirely (any more than victories in past decades did), it at least puts an end to the common assumption that Chinese courts would never rule in TLG's favor against a domestic brand.
    alexwilMr_CrossLyichircatwrangler
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,226
    Free shipping? Nice find!
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,788
    rd1899 said:

    The court ordered, among other things, that the four defendants shall immediately cease producing, selling, exhibiting or in any way promoting the infringing products, and shall pay the LEGO Group approximately RMB 4.5 million as damages.

    Per the Reuters write-up, RMB 4.5 million is roughly $650,000 (USD).
    They have probably already made their money on those 18 sets. The ruling doesn't stop them infringing on more products, and they now know the fine is about $36K per set. So for a $100 set, that's 360 of them. Obviously there are other costs, but those numbers seem quite small.
    pharmjodMr_CrossBobflip
  • gantaratgantarat bangkok,thailandMember Posts: 35
    Wonder What 18 sets that TLG Choose to sues ?
    CM4S said:
    Not a bad art.

    Bobflip
  • gantaratgantarat bangkok,thailandMember Posts: 35
    Here 18 set that Lego sue Lepin

    14012 Nexus Knights Rumble Blade

    14008 Nexo Knights King's Mecha

    06025 Ninja Bike Chase

    06024 Cole's Dragon

    06027 Elemental Dragon

    06026 Sky Shark

    14005 Evil Mobile

    14006 Fortrex

    14011 Queen Capture

    14007 Merlok Library

    04009 Fire Lion

    06020 Final Flight of Destiny's Bounty

    06019 Titan Mechs

    14004 Chaos Chariot

    14003 Lava Smasher

    14002 Mecha Horse

    04024 King escue

    04022 Rumble Bear

    All of them is Lego original IP and Retired Set.

  • CaptainPirateManCaptainPirateMan MichiganMember Posts: 335
    I'm surprised the licensed sets aren't on there like the Disney Castle and GBHQ.
  • gantaratgantarat bangkok,thailandMember Posts: 35
    I'm surprised the licensed sets aren't on there like the Disney Castle and GBHQ.
    Lego can't sue licensed sets without help from IP Holders. 
    SumoLegoAanchir
  • VorpalRyuVorpalRyu AustraliaMember Posts: 2,248
    Sets that are based on third party IPs would require a lot more work, having to prove that the clone products are damaging not only TLG's bottom line, but also the other party's bottom line (Warner/DC, Disney/Marvel/Lucasfilm, etc) & if the cloners have good legal reps, they could muddy the waters, if they can push the angle one party or the other isn't really being adversely financially affected by the cloned products. TLG is playing it smart to start off with solely TLG owned properties, round two they can bring in other parties like Warner, Disney, etc.
    xiahna
  • gantaratgantarat bangkok,thailandMember Posts: 35
    VorpalRyu said:
    TLG is playing it smart to start off with solely TLG owned properties, round two they can bring in other parties like Warner, Disney, etc.
    Problem is they will ?

    I mean Super Heroes Movies pretty big in china.
  • DadsAFOLDadsAFOL USAMember Posts: 616
    From https://keepandbear.com/collections/all-things-trump/products/build-the-wall



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    A mob of 10,000 Central American migrants is marching through Mexico and heading toward El Paso, Texas. Mexican border agents attempted to stop them at the Mexican border, but to no avail.

    We understand why they want to flee Honduras and live and work in America. After all, we are the greatest nation on earth.

    In the interest of national security, however, we cannot allow just anyone and everyone to cross our borders. While there are good people attempting to enter our nation, there are also gangs, criminals, and terrorists. Everyone who wants to enter our country must enter legally for the safety of all.

    The wall must be built. The wall will keep America safe and strong. Only then will we be able to help those in need.

    We are pleased to announce the launch of a brand new line of toys: MAGA building blocks! This toy makes a great Christmas gift for your kids and grandkids!

    • 101 Pieces
    • Includes President Trump figurine w/ a MAGA hard hat!
    gmonkey76Baby_YodaJern92dmcc0ReesesPieces
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    Ugh.  This is just so hacky.
    BumblepantsAanchirLyichir
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,226
    I doubt Lego would ever do something like that...
  • BumblepantsBumblepants DFWMember Posts: 5,823
    You can tell his lawyers sent a letter to make sure his hands got depicted extra bigly
    pharmjod
  • CCCCCC UKMember Posts: 17,788
    DadsAFOL said:

    We are pleased to announce the launch of a brand new line of toys: MAGA building blocks! This set comes with more than 100 pieces including President Trump in a MAGA hard hat!

    Get your own American counterfeit thread!

    Although there is some dodgy workmanship there - some of the bricks are the wrong way around.


  • CyberdragonCyberdragon Maryland, U.S.AMember Posts: 378
    Maybe they were deformed on one side. XD
    SprinkleOtterBaby_Yoda
  • SumoLegoSumoLego New YorkMember Posts: 11,907
    'Keepandbear.com'

    That's a weird reference for the box.
    SprinkleOtter
  • Jern92Jern92 MalaysiaMember Posts: 801
    Wait, this is real? For a second there I thought it was satirical.
  • Baby_YodaBaby_Yoda The world's backsideMember Posts: 1,226
    I love how it's "Build the WALL: Starter Kit" like there's going to be extra, smaller expansion sets and you collect all the identical wall sections to build the ultimate wall.
  • CyberdragonCyberdragon Maryland, U.S.AMember Posts: 378
    Jern92 said:
    Wait, this is real? For a second there I thought it was satirical.
    100% real, that's a real shopping link. That whole sells political collectables. "Keep and Bear" refers to weapons, and their motto is "one amendment to protect them all". But come on guys, you can have whatever political views you want, but please don't rip off Lego while doing so.
    BOBJACK_JACKBOBAanchir
  • CyberdragonCyberdragon Maryland, U.S.AMember Posts: 378
    Jern92 said:
    Wait, this is real? For a second there I thought it was satirical.
    100% real, that's a real shopping link. That whole site sells political collectables. "Keep and Bear" refers to weapons and their motto is "one amendment to protect them all". Come on guys, you can have whatever political views you want, but don't go ripping off Lego, that's just plain rude.
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