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Sorting by most supported reveals lots of past projects that reached 10000, some of them already past review and made. They need to be got rid of, at least as active projects.
Other than that, it looks like cuusoo and I doubt I'll be looking again.
Yup, mixed metaphor is mixed, but so is the bag, and so are my feelings. Some things got better, others much worse. For creators, supporters, and random passersby alike.
As far as my own project is concerned, I guess I will have to wait and see, collecting stats and drawing graphs before drawing conclusions. Except, of course, waiting is a luxury I no longer have, what with the new one-year deadline. Every day matters. Every hour, even. The year has but 8760 hours.
The real fun is going down in 364 days, when 6000+ projects bite the dust. The consequences will be dramatic. Of course I am not saying they haven't given it a thought; I'm saying they gave it a thought but then erred on the side of being way too optimistic.
Good improvements, include the main page summarizing the process. Also Staff Picks, showing the Flying Dutchman and Honda Motorbike. That is a nice new feature as well. Will be interesting to see what the Staff like.
Also the name makes much more sense to people unfamiliar. 1 year to reach 10,000 will also clean up the amount of projects, focusing on high quality ones only.
Overall I am impressed with the new Lego Ideas site.
Instead, both will get deleted. All current projects will be deleted, regardless of quality. Only half a dozen will pass — and again, based not on quality but on popularity —, but the other 6100+ will be nuked no matter how much effort went into them.
When you specifically delete everything across the board regardless of effort, that is no "focus on high quality". That is no focus at all.
Meanwhile, the average quality will quickly go down for two reasons:
- Many more people are now allowed to submit.
- Project creators who do care about quality but fail to reach 10k will eventually stop trying, while people posting rubbish will happily keep posting rubbish because obviously they don't care about getting to 10k in the first place, so not getting to 10k can't discourage them.
The only way to discourage people from posting rubbish would be by not letting them post rubbish.Cuusoo has never been about quality, by design. And now they are more open about it than ever before. Only Purdue Petes and TV shows will really have a chance now. Except that TV shows are all but done with at this point, as all the obvious candidates have long been submitted. So basically it's just Purdue Petes from here on.
I agree there likely to be an issue with the new deadline that needs to be worked out, if they were clever they would have made it so that all the existing projects had 1 year from the date they were submitted so that all the old projects weren't clogging up the site for the next year.
incidentally has anyone submitted a project since the change? has anyone noticed any differences in the submission process?
And all the obvious TV show candidates have long been submitted? I've got to disagree with you there. There is not yet a single high-quality Teen Titans proposal, and that's a cartoon franchise with a very significant fanbase. There are no proposals based on Static Shock, a show I have very fond memories of from my childhood. There are no proposals based on Sailor Moon, a franchise some of my friends still follow, or on Looney Tunes, a franchise that I think any fan of cartoons can agree is a classic. That's just a small handful!
Furthermore, there have already been projects NOT based on TV shows that have advanced rapidly to 10,000 supporters and passed review. Minecraft proves that video games are also viable territory. And the Curiosity Rover proves that proposals based on subjects from real life, not on fictional franchises, can reach the support threshold and pass review with flying colors. I don't think any of the recent changes to the platform would have doomed these or similar projects.
Regardless I think you are overreacting to the changes and just need to relax and wait and see and adjust your expectations about what LEGO Ideas is about.
After 12 months (or something) the vote itself expires. You can vote on the set again if you still like it, (getting an alert when a vote is due to expire), but if you don't act it just drops off.
This would mean if a set is popular and remains popular over time, people would keep their votes 'live', and if it continues to grow in popularity, it would gain in votes.
But if people grow tired of it (or didn't like it) they'd let their votes die (or not vote at all), and the set would slowly lose its votes (effectively dying as the voting public move away from the idea and no longer support it).
Any newly submitted idea could be given 6 months 'grace' to acquire an initial votes supply, after which time, any set with a votes total below a certain minimum threshold (say 500 or something), would result in the idea being removed (to trim the deadwood from the site).
I'd probably combine this system with Submission windows, rather than a 365 day open format.
I also prefer the front page emphasis on currently popular projects than most voted for projects as it has the potential to keep it fresher.
https://ideas.lego.com/projects/58946
has been on the front page for a couple days. It seems to be listed as a "Staff Pick". I don't remember this being part of Lego Cuusoo.
I don't really need to adjust my expectations about what LEGO Ideas is about, because they never were particularly secretive about it to begin with. And with this recent move they are more open about it still. It is perfectly in line with their goals, the goals they always had from day one. That is the only part I was disagreeing with. When you first keep everything around for a year regardless of quality, and then delete everything regardless of quality, how is that a focus on quality? Very much so. Your definition is "Anything that reaches 10k in a year is high-quality. Anything that does not is not". You are right that I do not share that definition. There is more to quality than popularity. In fact quality and popularity can be inversely related.
Quality is what the TLG review is then about.
But at what stage is it removed from the site? The number of votes might go towards zero, but it still need to be removed at some stage.
Something else that might be a good idea is a remove vote button. So if another version of something comes along that you prefer, then you can change your vote.
Basically as soon as an idea dips below the minimum votes required to stay on site (whatever number would be most appropriate), it would disappear from public view, (maybe deleted, maybe put in owner's history file - whatever the storage system is).
For sake of argument, say 500 was the minimum score required (this might be too low, i don't know), it would mean any set with 499 votes or less is immediately removed from public view after the set has had its grace period to acquire votes. (The owner could be given alerts as their design hits certain votes scores to keep informed of status).
So if it didn't generate enough votes during it's grace period, it'd be deleted immediately that grace period ends. If it gained 947 votes, but after x months those people who voted have lost interest, their votes would start expiring naturally (if not removed by the voter already), and the set would start dropping toward that score of death, until -upon reaching the score of death - being removed.
The precise numbers (and lifespan durations) would be whatever is most appropriate - i'm not familiar with the sites to be able to put a figure on details (it would be an adjustable variable until the right spot was found). That's fine details. This was just an idea in principle to suggest votes to die.
I'm assuming the lego design team want to know what's popular now, the way to know what's popular now (without discarding a slow-burner) is to allow votes to expire (and be retracted). It's effectively a living-poll.
*young ones sing*
Living Poll!
:oP
Yes, it is not absolutely ideal as when stuff like Minecraft and other gimmicks come along and reach the 10,000 in a day or less, those are flukes and don't really make a difference to the year deadline. Those are voted up by fans of the source material and I would like to see data on how many actually purchased something they supported. Dr. Who another example of this, hyped big time, but in the end all style and no substance.
I have no idea how many supporters for franchise-based products end up buying the sets themselves, but even if they don't, an outpouring of fan support in that stage of the process can be a strong indicator for the level of support that can be expected when the product actually launches. Any individual fan might have their own reason for not being willing or able to buy a product, but for every fan who goes on LEGO Cuusoo/Ideas to show their support, there are probably several other fans out there who are also potential buyers and who might not have the same reservations about buying the end product.
Also, the concept is what CUUSOO has tried to avoid, that one submits great model execution for submissions, the Minecraft Project didn't have this as you said, again a fluke.
I should also mention Minecraft IMHO is the most overrated game ever, and yes I have actually played it. The sets LEGO makes are jokes IMO, a bunch of 1x1s for $35, TLG is milking the cash cow in its prime, that is the only reason they have expanded that line into more sets.
Yes, they're made mostly of 1x1s. The same is true of LEGO mosiacs, but that doesn't stop people from admiring the mosaic designs they see at LEGO conventions. "Intent" is a big part of judging any design — if you judge a set like these by the same standards you use to judge a minifigure-scale playset, then your qualifications are inherently warped and will not result in a really valid assessment.
My boys have Minecraft shirts, and people comment on them all the time. When we went to Cedar Point recently (amusement park), people didn't just stop at commenting, they engaged also. That kind of community and friendly like-minded interest and interaction is awesome to see, and is great for kids to experience.
Anchir misinterpreted the context since he was never involved in the original conversation and felt the need to defend/discuss Minecraft.
Believe it or not I have been keeping up with this conversation. I didn't just randomly butt in to defend Minecraft — to be honest, I have never played Minecraft, though I think the sets are fairly good at what they set out to do.
What I'm defending, if anything, is the way the Minecraft project got as much support as it did and the reasons people supported it. A lot of people seem to feel like votes solicited from outside fan communities are less valid than AFOL votes, and I don't see any reason to think that's the case.
Non-AFOLs might be likely to misjudge the expected cost of a set, and thus support something they wouldn't end up being willing to pay for, but then again, the same can often be true of AFOLs, especially if not given details like an exact piece count.
https://ideas.lego.com/projects/65782
I'd like to see a full solar system done in lego.
https://ideas.lego.com/projects/49537/updates
However, when I went to update my project on Cuusoo, I couldn't update my cover picture with the new design. The updates tab limits me to adding content to it instead of to the main description tab (this equates to a terrible place to "hide" updates). Is anyone else limited this way? It may be that since my project was moved over from Lego Cuusoo, I only get limited functionality.
I think the gearing might get complicated to accurately simulate our solar system and the arm might get a little long without some sort of support. Could just put a few wheels on it I guess for it to roll.
Time to get some support for mythology sets on the Ideas site.
Try this one.
https://ideas.lego.com/projects/66101
https://ideas.lego.com/projects/63480
This is my first project. If you like it, remember to share it on your blog/website, or with your fellow LEGO fans.
I wonder if any submission will reach 10k votes before the next review, there is only one "idea" that's even close.
https://ideas.lego.com/discover#search/s:most_supported
Much like I love the birds project, but no matter what it's in review against it I think it would struggle to tick the Playability and Stability boxes. It's the thing I really dislike about Ideas, it shows you these amazing things that you know are very unlikely to get made.
https://ideas.lego.com/projects/70096
(off topic)
A chimney sweep, a suffragette (though the political aspect, albeit historical, might make that a non-starter too... though personally i'd place a suffragette alongside Abe Lincoln as far as being 'political' goes (as a historical personage) and therefore perfectly doable. If too taboo, they could i suppose do a victorian style lady with a rosette and sash, and leave it to the viewer to decide what she's campaigning for - if anything).
I agree that it's definitely much more ambitious than anything that has previously passed review, but that doesn't mean it's hopeless. There's a first for everything.
I think the IP would give it trouble, though, since Mary Poppins doesn't have the same level of pop cultural saturation and "nerd appeal" as Back to the Future, Minecraft, or Ghostbusters. It's a classic film definitely (and a damn good Broadway show too — it was a real treat to watch), but would it get huge numbers of fans excited the way those other projects did? I strongly doubt it.