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BrickDancer

Are you living on an alternate Earth 0 like in the comics? First no love fpr Plastic Man and now the Tumbler?

As far as I can tell from popular consensus, the Tumbler was well liked, awe inspiring, refreshingly new & different in a good way. It was designed and built from scratch just for the movie. And it actually runs and moves in real life as it appears in the movie.

Of all the Batmans, only Keaton stands against Bale as top choice. Even then it comes down mostly to age. Some may argue for the golden age in Adam West too. And an honorable mention for Kevin Conroy as the quintessential voice.

It's like debating best Bond. Only Connery stands a chance against Craig now. But it is mostly split by age group on that also.

Aanchir

BrickDancer said:

Are you living on an alternate Earth 0 like in the comics? First no love fpr Plastic Man and now the Tumbler?

As far as I can tell from popular consensus, the Tumbler was well liked, awe inspiring, refreshingly new & different in a good way. It was designed and built from scratch just for the movie. And it actually runs and moves in real life as it appears in the movie.

Of all the Batmans, only Keaton stands against Bale as top choice. Even then it comes down mostly to age. Some may argue for the golden age in Adam West too. And an honorable mention for Kevin Conroy as the quintessential voice.

It's like debating best Bond. Only Connery stands a chance against Craig now. But it is mostly split by age group on that also.

Good assessment. Glad to see I'm not alone in this thinking. The Tumbler is definitely not the quintessential Batmobile, but it's still without a doubt one of the most distinctive, and not just on account of being recent or appearing throughout its entire trilogy. You don't have to be a die-hard Batman fan to recognize which Batmobile it is or what movie it's from. It's in some respects emblematic of the whole TDK trilogy.

y2josh

BrickDancer said:

Some may argue for the golden age in Adam West too. And an honorable mention for Kevin Conroy as the quintessential voice.

Adam West is the only Batman I can stand, specifically because that version of Batman really ran with the intrinsic stupidity of the character rather than trying to portray him as someone I was supposed to take seriously. To me, the concept of Batman only works when he's portrayed in full on camp mode. Otherwise he's a grown man dressed as a bat fighting an army of villains that any of his 'friends' could defeat in seconds (and while I'm at it... how could he EVER defeat Poison Ivy? She has actual powers and he's just a rich guy in pajamas. Ridiculous).

For the modern iterations, Keaton is miles ahead of the rest, but Kilmer beats out Bale by a large margin. Bale was an adequate Bruce Wayne, but his Batman was so cartoonish it was absurd.

BrickDancer said:

It's like debating best Bond. Only Connery stands a chance against Craig now. But it is mostly split by age group on that also.

It's funny that you mention this, because when Casino Royale came out, I mentioned to my friends that all Lazenby really had going for him was that he was the worst Bond ever, but Daniel Craig took that honor right away from him. I'd also put Connery third, but I recognize that I'm in the minority there.

Shib

I know a lot of hardcore Batman fans thought Heath Ledger played the part he had brilliantly but the character he played wasn't really The Joker. I get where they are coming from, Nolans take on the batman universe was very stylised and altered to the comics.
I don't particularly have a favourite batman, but clooney was definitely the most rediculous casting choice, at a push he could be borderline convincing as Bruce Wayne, but only really in a universe where he didn't become batman.
Funny thing for me is that the definitive Joker is actually the Arkham Asylum games version, voiced by Mark Hamill.

In terms of a UCS Batmobile, I can only see two possibilities, the Tumbler or the 60s version. But it think the tumbler makes much more sense now, with the new batman/superman film on the horizon, but few images out they need to get it out before that one becomes the logical choice. The 60s version is iconic enough that it could come out just about any time and be recognised.

Redbullgivesuwind

@y2josh How dare you suggest that things in comics might be completely unrealistic ;-)

SuperTramp

@Shib, Have you not seen any of the Animated series?

Just found it odd you said the definitive joker is from a game when Mark Hamill does the joker in the entire series.

Has for the worst Batman i think were yet to see him.

Shib

^I haven't, I know that Hamill was joker for it, but his voice goes so well with the Arkham design as well so in a way I don't think I need to. I've seen some of the animated films and there are some really ropey Joker voices in some of those.

Im reserving judgement on Affleck until I actually see the film. Daredevil was awful, but that was the whole film, not just Affleck in my opinion,

SuperTramp

If you ever get the chance to pick the dvd's up cheap go for it, if you like Hamill has the joker in the games then you'll love the series.

Has for Affleck, he's just Affleck in everything.

Shib

I quite liked him in Mallrats, but that might just be because his character was a total douchebag so he pulled it off easily

CCC

BrickDancer said:

It's like debating best Bond. Only Connery stands a chance against Craig now. But it is mostly split by age group on that also.

Is this a joke? For Live and Let Die, The Man with the Golden Gun, The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, it has to be Roger Moore. Again, it is going to be an age thing here too.

Shib

^I always thought Moore was the really divisive Bond, I think it's down to the time the films were made, but all of the Moore ones are a little bit camp and Disco. They were my favourites at one point but I think at some point Connery edged them out for me. I though Casino Royale was brilliant but Craig was let down by naff scripting for Quantum of Solace (which I seem to remember was effected by the writers strikes) and Skyfall, which frankly had a terrible pacing issue then turned into Home Alone (with guns)

CCC

Shib said:

^I always thought Moore was the really divisive Bond, I think it's down to the time the films were made, but all of the Moore ones are a little bit camp and Disco.

Yep, which is why he gets the award for me. Growing up in the 70s, those were the ones I saw first and so he was the real James Bond for me. Just like Tom Baker is the real Dr Who.

GallardoLU

CCC said:

Tom Baker is the real Dr Who.

never has there been a better string of words come from a batman debate ;)

Bumblepants

@y2josh here is a fun article on why Gambit is the worst:

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/channing-tatum-to-play-gambit-who-is-a-terrible-superhero/

(All in good fun, but if you are going to dump on Batman lets not pretend the subject of your avatar is any less absurd.)

mathew

As a kid of the 80's I grew up with Moore as Bond. I probably watched For Your Eyes Only and Octopussy more than any other Bond movie thanks to cable tv. As far as Batman goes, none of the portrayls have been all that exciting to me. As kid I probably watched the 60's Adam West movie a few dozen times. None of the recent Batman movies starting with Burton's 89 picture have I watched more than a couple times each.

CCC

I'd love them to do an Adam West / Burt Ward / Cesar Romero / Burgess Meredith set. With Eartha Kitt as Catwoman. I know different women played her in the earlier series and the film, but her voice was so Catwoman. We could even have a Catwoman Goon in a tiger top.

tamamahm

CCC said:

Shib said:

^I always thought Moore was the really divisive Bond, I think it's down to the time the films were made, but all of the Moore ones are a little bit camp and Disco.

Yep, which is why he gets the award for me. Growing up in the 70s, those were the ones I saw first and so he was the real James Bond for me. Just like Tom Baker is the real Dr Who.

Yes, who one sees first really does impact who one sees as the "real" Bond or Doctor Who, etc.
Which is why I have three kids that would disagree with you, since Tenant and Smith is who they saw first. We are all hoping that a Lego Ideas Doctor Who set comes to pass with a good selection of characters.

CCC

That will be a problem for any forthcoming Dr Who set. They can do any version of Batman and it looks like Batman. There are of course different costumes, but it still looks like Batman. But if they pick one Dr Who, it is necessarily a particular actor and so a particular set of fans will like it, but others won't.

hantot

^CMF Dr Who tie in would work well

graphite

^ They should just wait a couple years and then they can have a full 16 series of just doctors.

Shib

or do something like - http://www.character-online.com/products/Character-Building/Doctor-Who/Character-Building-Doctor-Who-11-Doctors-Collector/


I've picked them up a couple of times when I've seen them in shops, but just couldn't bring myself to actually buy them.

Craigster10

I grew up with Bond all the bonds and they all bring something different to the party. They are all the Bonds of the years they were in, Connery defined bond from the books. Moore was typical 80's bond. I think Craig is brilliant as he is more like a Bourne Bond. But there is a special place for Timothy Dalton as Living Daylights was the first Bond I saw in the cinema.

As for Batman they all bring something to the table (except Clooney). I think Affleck will be good given the chance. I think Bale was brilliant but thas because I love Nolan's films more then the awful Burton, IMO. (don't like any of Burton's films surprised he didn't cast Depp as Batman and Helena Bohem-Carter in any of his films, yawn. Though I do have a special place for Keaton because again it was the first Batman film I saw as a child in the cinema (On North Sea Ferries as it happened).

Favorite Batman so far - Bale.
Favorite Bond so far - Craig.

I am sure that will change as more films are made though.

I am really out there because I can see someone else playing Indiana Jones, there I said it.

Redbullgivesuwind

If you want some great dr who figs head to minifigs.me who have run of dr who's. Think I've just plugged the company for you @MinifigsMe‌ We can negotiate my fee later :-)

y2josh

Bumblepants said:

@y2josh here is a fun article on why Gambit is the worst:

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/channing-tatum-to-play-gambit-who-is-a-terrible-superhero/

(All in good fun, but if you are going to dump on Batman lets not pretend the subject of your avatar is any less absurd.)

I like all the commenters that took the guy to task for not really seeming to know anything but the most cursory things about Gambit. That aside, Gambit IS an absurd character (as many comic book characters are)... but Batman is ridiculous even within his own universe.

Disregarding the absurdity of impractically donning his bat pajamas, Batman also chooses to throw all of his riches at a city that crime seems to flock to for no reason whatsoever (except, perhaps, because they have the most inept police force in history). These things in and of themselves could probably be overlooked, but the guy is also friends with Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash and a whole other ARMY of people that could clean up Gotham in seconds.

So it's not just the absurdity of Batman himself I find ridiculous... it's the entire scenario they've crafted. He's a character that can't possibly be taken seriously, which is why Adam West will always be the definitive Batman for me. He really hammed it up, which is the only reasonable way Batman can be portrayed.

As to Bond... Brosnan is my favorite with Moore a close second and then Connery. Then there's a huge jump to Dalton, another huge jump to Lazenby who just barely edges out Craig. But again, I recognize I'm in the minority here.

GallardoLU

All of this batman talk is exactly why Iron Man wins it for me (always has even before the new films) both are rich beyond reason both want to make the world better for it. but only one has a global reach at any point, and Iron Man is that one. further more Batman for all his wealth never extends his tech to any of his "Super friends" most of which don't need the added tech in most cases. Iron Man however builds tech for all those in shield that would need it, (X-men, and Avengers most notably)

in short they both have the same "power" which is money and tons of it. both can fight with the best of them BUT Stark gets the bonus of intelligence over virtually everyone.

Bumblepants

^^Fair enough, you have thought it out well and I can respect that even if I disagree. I grew up watching and adoring the Batman Animated Series and that shapes my entire superhero worldview.

BrickDancer

^Same here Batman: TAS, with the X-men animated series included. Our preference and views are shaped by our earliest exposure.

mathew

y2josh said:

As to Bond... Brosnan is my favorite with Moore a close second and then Connery. Then there's a huge jump to Dalton, another huge jump to Lazenby who just barely edges out Craig. But again, I recognize I'm in the minority here.

You must think that the Bond Universe is as absurd as the Batman Universe then. I tried re-watching a couple of the Brosnan movies (almost typed Bronson. Now that would have been interesting) and they are beyond stupid. Brosnan's Bond films are Superhero movies. It's almost as if the Bond producers took the Austin Powers movies seriously. I would personally rank Craig number one because I believe his take on the character is the most realistic as to what a modern spy would resemble.

donutboy

I think that Lazenby wasn't given a fair crack at Bond and that On Her Majesty's Secret Service is one of the best Bond films of all. (Along with The Spy Who Loved Me)

Paperballpark

Am I the only person who thinks Timothy Dalton was the best Bond (followed by Daniel Craig)?

y2josh

mathew said:

y2josh said:

As to Bond... Brosnan is my favorite with Moore a close second and then Connery. Then there's a huge jump to Dalton, another huge jump to Lazenby who just barely edges out Craig. But again, I recognize I'm in the minority here.

You must think that the Bond Universe is as absurd as the Batman Universe then. I tried re-watching a couple of the Brosnan movies (almost typed Bronson. Now that would have been interesting) and they are beyond stupid. Brosnan's Bond films are Superhero movies. It's almost as if the Bond producers took the Austin Powers movies seriously. I would personally rank Craig number one because I believe his take on the character is the most realistic as to what a modern spy would resemble.

You're not too far wrong here. To me, the Bond movies are supposed to be campy (which is probably why I like Skyfall the best of the Craig movies). I want to see implausible gadgets and over-the-top villains when I go to see a Bond movie. As a vanilla action hero, Craig is adequate... but he simply doesn't stand up to any of the other actors that played Bond.

donutboy said:

I think that Lazenby wasn't given a fair crack at Bond and that On Her Majesty's Secret Service is one of the best Bond films of all. (Along with The Spy Who Loved Me)

I agree that Lazenby didn't get a fair crack, but, though I love the movie, I still don't think he was a very good Bond. A little too droll for my liking.

BrickDancer

Ahh I see Josh, you prefer the 'fun' style of the previous versions. Nothing wrong with that at all. A lot of folks prefer the older eras where the character is less emo or moody. Which is simply not the cours de jour nowadays. Best case in point would be the new version of Supes in "Man of Steel" being so polarized. Those who hate it, definitely prefer the fun Reeves version over the distraught & glum Caville version.

Steve_J_OM

Paperballpark said:

Am I the only person who thinks Timothy Dalton was the best Bond (followed by Daniel Craig)?

I love Dalton's Bond, probably ranks #1 for me too.

kez

More news regarding batman, he will be appearing in a new 2015 Lego Movie set that will be released in January. Also at SDCC there is a new Star Wars exclusive. https://www.yahoo.com/movies/the-collector-uni-kitty-star-wars-lego-comic-con-92080976622.html :D
Ps: Ain't Batman's new grappling gun looking cool.

klatu003

@kez Thank you for this news. This will save me from buying #70814 just to get Angry-kitty. I don't like mechs.

Aanchir

klatu003 said:

@kez Thank you for this news. This will save me from buying #70814 just to get Angry-kitty. I don't like mechs.

Well, it's not quite the same Angry Kitty (the face is different), so there's still some benefit to buying both. But if you're content with one or the other this set provides an alternative.

pharmjod

y2josh said:

To me, the concept of Batman only works when he's portrayed in full on camp mode.

Bale was an adequate Bruce Wayne, but his Batman was so cartoonish it was absurd.

I got what you are saying here but I found it entertaining that both of these statements existed in the same post as an apparent contradiction.

As an aside, I love the Nolan movies and enjoyed Bale as Batman. I prefer Batman to exist in a universe where he is the only "super" hero. To me, he is realistic simply because he is one of the few "superheroes" that is actually even remotely plausible. The others are complete farce. I still enjoy the movies and stories though.

y2josh

^I see where I came across as contradictory there, but what I was driving at is that Bale's Batman doesn't work in the movies he's in (nor does the over-the-top 'a little too much eyeball' Two-Face). Nolan completely butchered Joker as a character to make him fit in his 'this is absolutely real life' version of Batman, yet he's also fine with Bale performing whatever that Batman voice was supposed to be.

So that's probably more to my point, specifically with Nolan's films. The Batman concept doesn't really work in a world I'm supposed to believe could actually exist.

To be fair, I have a similar problem with the X-Men as a part of the larger Marvel Universe, even though I still love (most) of the books. I have never been able to reconcile how mutants, because they're born with these powers, are consistently feared and reviled by the rest of humanity, while the Fantastic Four are super celebrities and loved by everyone. If I'm scared of Pyro because he might shoot fire at me, it stands to reason I'd be terrified of Human Torch.

Ah well. Gambit is awesome. ;)

Shib

BrickDancer said:

Ahh I see Josh, you prefer the 'fun' style of the previous versions. Nothing wrong with that at all. A lot of folks prefer the older eras where the character is less emo or moody. Which is simply not the cours de jour nowadays. Best case in point would be the new version of Supes in "Man of Steel" being so polarized. Those who hate it, definitely prefer the fun Reeves version over the distraught & glum Caville version.

I didn't mind the Caville version of superman, what I did mind was the crappy direction, the massively lacking in substance script and the constant shaky camera! If Dawn of Justice is too much like Man of Steel I'll be giving up on the DC films until they get rid of snyder - who in my opinion should only be allowed to direct music videos.

SuperTramp

^What, no love for Watchmen, 300 and Dawn Of The Dead?

Thought those films were fantastic.

Shib

I watch 10 minutes of watchmen and got bored, 300 I saw a similar amount of and decided it was an extra long music video and couldn't be bothered. I have heard foot things about Dawn of the Dead, but a lot of people have said Snyder only got that right because the source material (the original) was so good.

CCC

Paperballpark said:

Am I the only person who thinks Timothy Dalton was the best Bond (followed by Daniel Craig)?

What the Welsh one ... The name's Bond, Jones the Bond.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flDuFzFxPJA

Steve_J_OM

Shib said:

I have heard foot things about Dawn of the Dead, but a lot of people have said Snyder only got that right because the source material (the original) was so good.

That's not really an accurate reflection because the only thing it has in common with the original is that it is set in a shopping mall. It's one of my favourite films, definitely worth watching.

CCC

y2josh said:

You're not too far wrong here. To me, the Bond movies are supposed to be campy (which is probably why I like Skyfall the best of the Craig movies). I want to see implausible gadgets and over-the-top villains when I go to see a Bond movie. As a vanilla action hero, Craig is adequate... but he simply doesn't stand up to any of the other actors that played Bond.

Also at the time of Connery and Moore, and even Brosnan and Dalton, there was nothing much else to match Bond. Whereas in the Daniel Craig era, when Bond is modernised to the apparently more realistic spy rather than the over-the-top gadgets and supervillains, there is significant competition. I prefer Bourne to modern day Bond. I don't think the 1960s/70s over-the-top martini swilling fairly misogynistic Bond would work these days, but modern day Bond is still playing catch-up with Bourne. Would Little Nellie taking out larger helicopters with missiles fired using buttons with that embossed plastic tape that your Grandad used to use in the 1970s above them to say what they are work these days for the modern film goer? I doubt it. Even though they did four films between 1990 and 2005, that was where, for me, he got a bit lost. There was the Mission Impossible series which partly filled the gap, along with loads of decent one-off similar style thrillers (like Face-Off).

Shib

Steve_J_OM said:

Shib said:

I have heard foot things about Dawn of the Dead, but a lot of people have said Snyder only got that right because the source material (the original) was so good.

That's not really an accurate reflection because the only thing it has in common with the original is that it is set in a shopping mall. It's one of my favourite films, definitely worth watching.

As I said, haven't seen it myself but thats what I've heard. The problem for me is the stuff I have seen of Snyder's just doesn't work as an advert. Suckerpunch was an awful 20 seconds of story covered with gratuitous 'fan service'. Man of Steel needed some tripods and more investment in a good script. getting bored watching the others just means I feel little incentive to try to watch any of the others.

Steve_J_OM

Shib said:

As I said, haven't seen it myself but thats what I've heard. The problem for me is the stuff I have seen of Snyder's just doesn't work as an advert. Suckerpunch was an awful 20 seconds of story covered with gratuitous 'fan service'. Man of Steel needed some tripods and more investment in a good script. getting bored watching the others just means I feel little incentive to try to watch any of the others.

I'm mixed on him myself. Sucker Punch was an awful, awful film. I really enjoyed 2/3 of Man of Steel but then it descended into that excessively long, OTT finale that seems to be mandatory for superhero films. But I stand by the DotD recommendation if you ever have a chance to check it out.

legomatt

*whispers* I really enjoyed suckerpunch.

What? Where? Who now? Somebody say something? No? Must be my hearing.

Sooo... Adam West... Love that tv series, so annoying that they never got the legal bumf sorted out for a dvd release.

graphite

^ I liked Suckerpunch as well. Thought it was well done. Good action sequences, interesting story, good music.

y2josh

legomatt said:

Sooo... Adam West... Love that tv series, so annoying that they never got the legal bumf sorted out for a dvd release.

Actually...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2014/01/15/batman-tv-show-complete-series-dvd/4496197/

legomatt

^ WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! 8oD

Ooh, I hope it's uncut, in broadcast format with all the episodic voice-overs intact, AND is made available in the UK. One of these three is less likely than the other two... guess which. :o/

With luck they'll release as a region-free bluray, and I wouldn't be averse to them sticking an Adam West lego fig on the cover. :o)

One for the christmas list.