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rocaorocao Administrator Posts: 4,288
This discussion was created from comments split from: [US] Wal-Mart mid-year clearance/shelf reset.
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  • rocaorocao Administrator Posts: 4,288
    I personally don't have a problem with photos of hauls, but others apparently do, so I've removed the photo.
  • Thanos75Thanos75 Member Posts: 1,117
    I really am sorry if that picture bothered anybody. The last thing I want to do on here is cause any waves. I have always tried to be very civil and polite when posting on here and will certainly be more mindful when I post pics or comments. I do apologize to anyone I offended. Certainly wasnt my intention.
  • FollowsCloselyFollowsClosely Member Posts: 949
    Boo to the removal of the pic. It was relevant to the discussion.
    Thanos75starfailurethenosLegoFanTexascardgeniusTrenthdougtsTheLoneTensor
  • CurvedRoadPlateCurvedRoadPlate Member Posts: 256
    Pictures or it didn't happen. It's nice to see the occasional photo of a great deal or find.
  • gmpirategmpirate Member Posts: 1,654
    Maybe there could be tab at the top of this forum for people offended by resellers? People would have the option of a graphic vs non-graphic version. That way members that are offended by resellers, and any such illustrations, could safely come in and get the resellers information on sales/deals and get out.
    LegoFanTexas
  • margotmargot Member Posts: 2,310
    ^hes not a reseller.
  • rocaorocao Administrator Posts: 4,288
    edited August 2013
    @thanos75: my moderation wasn't a condemnation of your involvement with LEGO, even if you were a dyed-in-the-wool reseller. From the ongoing discussion in the "perspective on reselling" thread, a common complaint is that photos of large hauls don't serve much purpose and are merely a brag. Some people take exception to the bragging and ask that it be contained in the "brag" threads or the reselling containment thread "predictions...".

    I think this is going to continue to be a gray area. If your picture were of what was on the shelves to illustrate what other shoppers might find, it seems like it would be allowed. At some point in the process of taking ownership, people start getting offended [shrug].
  • Thanos75Thanos75 Member Posts: 1,117
    I understand Rocao. It was never my intention to brag or rub it in anyones faces. I really am sorry if thats how it came across.
  • DougoutDougout Member Posts: 888

    ^ I'm offended about other people being offended... :)

    The Internet is large enough that somewhere, sometime, someone will be offended about something.

    1st world problems indeed...

    Exactly. From now on, the babies can remain silent while everyone else can keep to themselves in the brag thread or the resellers thread. Half the fun I have here is seeing what people are able to get. I don't see how some people can have a problem seeing what @Thanos75 is able to get on sale when he's not even a reseller. That's just jealousy.
    Thanos75LegoManiaccFollowsCloselymargotstarfailureWesleyBSquareSideTheLoneTensorLegoFanTexas
  • cardgeniuscardgenius Member Posts: 153
    I love pics. Wish people would post more of them. I could spend hours looking through pictures of people's collections, what they have on display or even their latest and greatest find. And I would assume most people here are the same. It's a shame a few overly sensitive people have to ruin it for everyone.
    LegoFanTexas
  • BlueMoonUSABlueMoonUSA Member Posts: 116
    ^ Agreed. Removing Thanos's picture is almost comical in its ludicrousness.
    LegoManiaccLegoFanTexas
  • mathewmathew Member Posts: 2,096
    I don't take offense to pictures. However if I lived in the same neck of the woods I might be a little ticked off if there were a single reseller/collector cleaning house everywhere he went.
    margotYellowcastle
  • binaryeyebinaryeye USMember Posts: 1,734

    ^ Agreed. Removing Thanos's picture is almost comical in its ludicrousness.

    After all, the thread is about the mid-year Wal-Mart clearance, and Thanos is showing what he was able to get as a result of said clearance. If the photo is worthy of censoring, then mention of sets obtained on clearance is also worthy of censoring. At that point, there isn't much use for the thread itself, beyond the initial "Wal-Mart is having a clearance sale on LEGO."

    Censoring is a slippery slope.

    LegoManiaccFollowsCloselygmpirateBlueMoonUSALegoFanTexasLegoMom1dougtsTheLoneTensor
  • LegoManiaccLegoManiacc Member Posts: 116
    They say a picture is worth a thousand words, the person who complained is probably a carpal tunnel specialist.
    BlueMoonUSA
  • MathBuilderMathBuilder Member Posts: 150
    I just skimmed the 18 new posts, and I have stayed far away from the famous "{hate, redacted, community, perspective,...}-resellers topic" so I don't really know who and how many are the people so offended by reselling, and to what extent this anger goes...
    As a community, I believe the forum is based on respect, so I am all for it. But respect goes both ways. Censorship of a post that does not include any tangible offense (like swearing, nudity, racism,...) is an offense by itself.
    But before I go into tangents lets look at the facts:
    1) The title of the topic is:Wal-Mart mid-year clearance/shelf reset
    The post contained only items purchased at Wal-Mart with clearance discount.
    So it gives useful information. What sets one can expect to find on clearance on said stores, what is the condition of the sets, how much stock is there for those sets.
    2) The user was not bragging, merely sharing useful information in the way of a picture and we all know that pictures say more than 1000 words.
    3) The poster was encouraged to post by other users in this same thread.
    FollowsCloselyLegoFanTexas
  • rocaorocao Administrator Posts: 4,288
    edited August 2013
    ^ #2 is not really a fact. There is some subjectivity in play.

    photos of sets on the store shelf -> acceptable
    photos of sets in one's shopping cart -> borderline
    photos of sets in one's possession at home -> objectionable for some

    I personally think it's kind of silly when spelled out like this, but I also never had a problem in the first place, so I'm not the best judge. At some point it does becomes less about a shopping deal that can be replicated (the intent of this thread) and more of an anecdote that belongs elsewhere, though.
  • gmpirategmpirate Member Posts: 1,654
    rocao said:


    photos of sets on the store shelf -> acceptable
    photos of sets in one's shopping cart -> borderline
    photos of sets in one's possession at home -> objectionable for some

    I personally think it's kind of silly when spelled out like this, but I also never had a problem in the first place, so I'm not the best judge. At some point it does becomes less about a shopping deal that can be replicated (the intent of this thread) and more of an anecdote that belongs elsewhere, though.

    Ok, just so we're all straight here. It's ok to post of pic of a great find "at the store", then again as we are walking the cart to our car. But once we get the Lego out of our car and cross the threshold of our front door its completely out of bounds?

    Maybe we should create a sticky for this at the top?

    Or actually, I've seen sites that have warnings that there may be objectionable content with the following images. Or maybe in each members profile there could be different boxes to check for different viewing options. One box for what is considerable viewable by all, another for possibly objectionable content, and another to just make all images viewable.

    I don't mean to give you a hard time, as I know you're just trying to keep the peace, but this is pretty "silly".
    Thanos75LegoFanTexasdougts
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    Silly doesn't begin to cover it.
  • LegoManiaccLegoManiacc Member Posts: 116
    lolol @ the absurdity. I think brickset.com should remove all sets I don't own so I don't have to see what sets I'm missing out on that some other luckier people do have. It actually shows me the number of people that own these sets that I want! It's not fair.

    I would also like anyone with a nicer house than me to put a very large sheet up in front of it so I don't have to see it as I drive by, and speaking of driving, anyone with a car over $15k needs to cover it in paper and just write the description of what it looks like to passer-bys ("Got a Porsche under here!")
    juggles7LegoFanTexasmargotstarfailure
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,356
    WHY is this a big deal? Sorry, but I think the silliness of complaining about a photo removed is just absurd.. let it go.
  • LegoManiaccLegoManiacc Member Posts: 116
    edited August 2013
    FYP

    WHY is this a big deal? Sorry, but I think the silliness of complaining about a photo removed is just absurd.. let it go.

  • TrenthTrenth Member Posts: 162
    I am having a hard time understanding why the picture was removed. Was anyone offended? Maybe one or two people out of a few hundred that read the post were upset by that pic, but should that misplaced response dictate this conversation. Would you erase his words if he listed all of the sets and then said, "I am going to buy all of this sets"? Pictures and words are just two forms of communication and communication is simply the passing of information. I don't think it is conducive to a community established upon open lines of communication to so strictly regulate it in such a way.
  • TrenthTrenth Member Posts: 162
    Thanos75 said:

    I understand Rocao. It was never my intention to brag or rub it in anyones faces. I really am sorry if thats how it came across.

    It did not come across that way at all, and I hate that you were put in a kind of odd position. I feel like you're the one that is owed an apology, and I think the picture should be allowed to be reposted on principle.
  • lulwutlulwut Member Posts: 416

    ^ Agreed. Removing Thanos's picture is almost comical in its ludicrousness.

    Is this true? It's so petty my sides hurt from laughing.

  • ckenda1ckenda1 Member Posts: 121
    edited August 2013
    Silly, petty, pitiful and stupid don't begin to describe what transpired. When I signed up to be a part of this community I agreed to a TOS that says I must be at least 16 years old and that it's for adults only.

    Between this incident and the ludicrous resellers thread, I am not sure what to make of the community. There are a lot of good people here, but a few always ruin it for everyone. Just seems like a married couple arguing on whose going to change the little ones diapers and the community is accidentally sticking their finger in it.

    I spoke my 2 cents. Hopefully the community "grows up" a little.
  • goshe7goshe7 Columbus, Ohio, USAMember Posts: 515
    Clearly this problem was that the photo was incorrectly posted. Should have been put in the "brag" thread. I find it hard to reconcile where one thread can be dedicated to celebrating great finds but details on similar great finds are not allowed in another thread.

    That being said, I would offer another perspective. The source of the haul was an insider deal not available to the general public. Good for the OP working that out. But giving a visual aid testifying to the effectiveness of that approach could be considered offensive as it would encourage others toward this behavior.
  • ckenda1ckenda1 Member Posts: 121
    edited August 2013
    ^ But he wasn't bragging. And last I checked, most if not all deals are YMMV.

    This is a thread about WM clearance and he bought stuff at WM (insider deal or not).

    People shouldn't cry they couldn't get a deal. Again, is everyone here 5 or did I miss something?

    Congrats to @Thanos75 and nice profile pic!
    Thanos75cardgeniusgmpirateLegoFanTexasTheLoneTensor
  • Pitfall69Pitfall69 0 miles to Legoboy's houseMember Posts: 11,375
    I think I'm offended most of all. My mother is an Assistant Manager at a Walmart and I NEVER get a call from her telling me the awesome Lego deals to be had. My Mother For Gods Sake!!! Damn you @Thanos75!!! Does this manager need a son?
    TheLoneTensorGuroooLegoFanTexaskhmellymelthenos
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,356

    FYP

    WHY is this a big deal? Sorry, but I think the silliness of complaining about a photo removed is just absurd.. let it go.

    My post did not need a correction. There are far worse things in this world right now then a photo being removed off of forum, however I did not realize that photo removal was right up there with world hunger and homelessness.
  • LegoManiaccLegoManiacc Member Posts: 116
    FYP


    My post did not need a correction. There are far worse things in this world right now then a photo being removed off of forum, however I did not realize that photo removal was right up there with world hunger and homelessness. I will now stop collecting LEGO and donate all my money and effort to world hunger and homelessness. You can find me on the World Hunger and Homelessness Forum from this point forward as madaboutworldhungerandhomelessness. I will not waste time on this forum anymore since there many more important things than plastic blocks...and photos...of those blocks...inside cardboard boxes.

    CircleKgmpiratecardgeniusLegoFanTexasstarfailure
  • Thanos75Thanos75 Member Posts: 1,117
    I knew something was missing in all of this.... It was Pitfall.
    Pitfall69LegoFanTexas
  • goshe7goshe7 Columbus, Ohio, USAMember Posts: 515
    ckenda1 said:

    ^ But he wasn't bragging. And last I checked, most if not all deals are YMMV.

    This is a thread about WM clearance and he bought stuff at WM (insider deal or not).

    People shouldn't cry they couldn't get a deal. Again, is everyone here 5 or did I miss something?

    Bragging is a matter of opinion. I don't think the intent of the OP had a trace of mean spirit in it. But that doesn't mean it isn't bragging. I didn't see any posts that implied skepticism of the truth of the text report, so the photo was clearly not necessary evidence to substantiate the text report.

    Only one person really knows the intent. And like I said, I don't see any evidence that it was intended to be mean spiritied. But I also cannot come up with a lot of good reasons to post an image that aren't related to boasting.

    Just to push the envelope on this, by your logic it would be fair game for anyone to report a clearance deal scored at WM achieved by any of the following tactics.
    - Hiding LEGO sets in obscure areas of the store until clearance prices drop
    - Purchasing at RRP, returning, and repurchasing at clearance price
    - Grabbing a clearance set from the clutches of a greedy reseller and sprinting to the checkout with it
    - Grabbing a clearance set from a child and sprinting to the checkout with it
    - Moving clearance stickers from one set to another

    All of those are tactics that could be considered offensive in varying degrees by some and YMMV by others.

    Finally, yes, you did miss something. The complaint is not that someone got a deal. The complaint was about how the deal was achieved. (My opinion, and for full disclosure, I was not the person that requested the picture removal. So I don't know what his or her complaint really was).
  • Chang405Chang405 Member Posts: 81
    I find people, who find other people's photos offensive, to be offensive.
  • pvancil27pvancil27 Member Posts: 588
    So, did someone actually complain or was this an overreaction based on the re-seller discussion?
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,356

    FYP


    My post did not need a correction. There are far worse things in this world right now then a photo being removed off of forum, however I did not realize that photo removal was right up there with world hunger and homelessness. I will now stop collecting LEGO and donate all my money and effort to world hunger and homelessness. You can find me on the World Hunger and Homelessness Forum from this point forward as madaboutworldhungerandhomelessness. I will not waste time on this forum anymore since there many more important things than plastic blocks...and photos...of those blocks...inside cardboard boxes.

    Grow up.
    I thought that the Admins were trying to stop trolls.
    I would try to get to your level but I do not have a shovel handy.
  • CircleKCircleK U.S. - Columbus, OhioMember Posts: 1,055
    I actually find Walmart itself offensive. So, I'm lobbying for the removal of this entire thread and any members who openly admit to shopping there.

    You all have been warned.
  • LegoManiaccLegoManiacc Member Posts: 116
    Trolls get hungry too, keep us in mind on your crusade against world hunger. Most also can be found living under bridges so homelessness would also be a good match. Go ye now, and vanquish all that thou may.
  • ckenda1ckenda1 Member Posts: 121
    edited August 2013
    goshe7 said:



    Bragging is a matter of opinion. I don't think the intent of the OP had a trace of mean spirit in it. But that doesn't mean it isn't bragging. I didn't see any posts that implied skepticism of the truth of the text report, so the photo was clearly not necessary evidence to substantiate the text report.

    Only one person really knows the intent. And like I said, I don't see any evidence that it was intended to be mean spiritied. But I also cannot come up with a lot of good reasons to post an image that aren't related to boasting.

    Just to push the envelope on this, by your logic it would be fair game for anyone to report a clearance deal scored at WM achieved by any of the following tactics.
    - Hiding LEGO sets in obscure areas of the store until clearance prices drop
    - Purchasing at RRP, returning, and repurchasing at clearance price
    - Grabbing a clearance set from the clutches of a greedy reseller and sprinting to the checkout with it
    - Grabbing a clearance set from a child and sprinting to the checkout with it
    - Moving clearance stickers from one set to another

    All of those are tactics that could be considered offensive in varying degrees by some and YMMV by others.

    Finally, yes, you did miss something. The complaint is not that someone got a deal. The complaint was about how the deal was achieved. (My opinion, and for full disclosure, I was not the person that requested the picture removal. So I don't know what his or her complaint really was).

    What did I miss? You just said that you didn't know who and what the complaint was for, so how can you state that it wasn't that someone got a deal, but rather how the deal was achieved?

    And how do you come to that conclusion, logically? It wouldn't be fair game to do any of the things you listed. It's generally seen as unethical and in some cases illegal. However, in @Thanos75 's defense, he probably told the store manager that he'd purchase all of the LEGO if a greater deal was available and left the manager with his phone #.

    The manager didn't have to call him or could have told him flat out no. You never know until you ask, right? Do you whimper in a corner at work and hope someday that someone gives you a raise for doing an excellent job or do you ask for one when you feel it's justified?

    In this case, he isn't trying to cheat the system. It was the manager that called only after they couldn't move the LEGO to begin with. Not a bit of this was unethical or illegal. It takes 2 parties to strike a deal and that manager felt it was the right time to make the call.

    Do you not bargain when buying a house or a car?

    In the end, the manager got to move product he couldn't move and a happy LEGO fanatic got a great deal.
    gmpiratemargot
  • LegoFanTexasLegoFanTexas TexasMember Posts: 8,409
    *munches on popcorn, just happy it isn't about me for once*
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  • tamamahmtamamahm Member Posts: 1,950

    *munches on popcorn, just happy it isn't about me for once*

    LOL!! Funny!

    LegoFanTexas
  • gmpirategmpirate Member Posts: 1,654
    I have to admit, I haven't laughed out loud in a long time on this forum. Some of these posts have been great. @Thanos75 That avatar is awesome, lol.
  • BrickarmorBrickarmor USAMember Posts: 1,257
    tamamahm said:

    *munches on popcorn, just happy it isn't about me for once*

    LOL!! Funny!

    Not as funny as this thread title! Say what one will about @rocao 's decision, that is one snappy header.
  • rocaorocao Administrator Posts: 4,288
    edited August 2013
    Yellowcastle posted this and recieved 18 'likes' (some from members that are now voicing disapproval)
    http://www.bricksetforum.com/discussion/comment/212777/#Comment_212777

    From that, he summarized these loose guidelines which were met with agreement from both sides:

    Bringing resale musings into otherwise non-selling discussions.
    Circumventing established limits.
    Commoditizing sets before they even have a moment to breathe.
    While I don't think Clearance behaviors should be 100% relevant since the store is trying to purge stock, cart hoarding sets bugs me.
    Publicizing any of the above.

    The circumstances surrounding the photo in question hit a few gray areas. The line is blurred between informative and brag. Thanos75 describing his adventure was interesting, but it's nigh impossible to duplicate so it doesn't really serve the function of the shopping threads. What's left then is a photo of LEGO sets on the floor of his house which quite resembles the photos of stacks of procured LEGO that many have previously agreed were excessive bragging. I am always going to err on the side of a heavy-handed application of the forum guidelines rather than an inconsistent one whereby I leave one photo and not another.

    He's welcome to post it in the brag thread of "recent great finds" or elsewhere in "Buying and Selling topics" which we have identified as a category free from delicate sensibilities.
  • BlueMoonUSABlueMoonUSA Member Posts: 116
    @rocao...was moving Thanos's picture and/or posts into one of the above "identified" threads not an option?
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