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Offical Lego discontinued Dates direct from lego

winter_zombiewinter_zombie Banned Posts: 54
edited June 2011 in Collecting
Hi all
ive got some inside info after talking to lego direst
the followings sets and dates are for retire

10194 emerald night december 2011 (maersk train will replace this item)
10199 winter toy shop december 2011

10193 medieval market village december 2012
10197 fire brigade december 2012
10216 winter village bakery december 2012

10219 maersk train december 2013
10211 grand emporium december 2013
10214 tower bridge december 2013 (extended due to popularity)
10217 diagon alley december 2013
1p218 pet shop december 2013

I also asked about the new cargo train 3677 and the price is £132.99. this new cargo train will replace the older cargo train.

hope this helps :)
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  • xowainxxowainx United KingdomMember Posts: 112
    I know this has been asked in other threads, but don't suppose you know when 10188 is definitely being discontinued too?
  • princedravenprincedraven Essex, UKMember Posts: 3,768
    10193 medieval market village december 2012
    10197 fire brigade december 2012
    ?????

    Glad I rushed to buy those then, only another 18 months, got in just in the nick of time ;)

    Would be happy if these dates are correct, but probably wont risk waiting till 2013 to pick up 10211, 10214, 10217, 10218, probably will have talked myself into 10219 by then too :)
  • winter_zombiewinter_zombie Banned Posts: 54
    edited June 2011
    ^ well thats what i was told today after talking to lego for about 45 mins on the phone.
    they were realy helpful.
  • princedravenprincedraven Essex, UKMember Posts: 3,768
    Yeah sorry, forgot to say thanks for the posting, always appreciate people taking the time to post info.
  • davee123davee123 USAMember Posts: 804
    edited June 2011
    I agree, it's really cool that you got the information-- although I'm concerned that these dates may give people a false sense of confidence about delaying to buy certain sets-- In other words, what does "discontinued" mean to LEGO?

    From my experience with LEGO, I don't think they'd go so far as to make more copies of the set if it sells out within a "reasonable" amount of time from the discontinue date-- they'd just say "sorry, sold out" and be done with it. If (say) 10211 sold out in July 2013, I expect they'd just end it there-- they wouldn't do another production run just so they had some available through the "discontinued date" of December 2013. But if they ran out in (say) February 2012, maybe they'd consider doing another production run, since it would be nearly 2 years away from the expected discontinuation.

    My impression of the "discontinued" dates listed above is that they're the projected times when the sets should be removed from the available inventory, assuming they haven't already sold out. IE, if 10211 hasn't already sold out before December 2013, that's the date that they'll remove it from the catalog regardless. And they'll probably put it on sale X months before then to try and encourage it to sell out.

    Anyway, it's interesting data to have, but before you adjust your buying habits, it'd be good to get more information from LEGO insofar as interpreting what those dates really mean.

    DaveE
  • winter_zombiewinter_zombie Banned Posts: 54
    edited June 2011
    ^hi
    just so you know and understand what i ment my discontinued
    lego said ""discontinued"" this means it will not be for sale on the lego web site after that date and if you wanted any of the sets the only way would be from retail shops that had it still in stock or auction sites like ebay.
  • winter_zombiewinter_zombie Banned Posts: 54
    Yeah sorry, forgot to say thanks for the posting, always appreciate people taking the time to post info.
    Thank you,i just wanted to keep my lego friends and community updated on the news.
  • MatthewMatthew Cheshire, UKAdministrator Posts: 3,734
  • davee123davee123 USAMember Posts: 804
    lego said "discontinued" this means it will not be for sale on the lego web site after that date
    Ok, that confirms my suspicion, that's good to know. So, it's like saying "will be removed from online purchasing on or before this date".

    DaveE
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,172
    edited June 2011
    10193 medieval market village december 2012
    10197 fire brigade december 2012
    ?????

    Glad I rushed to buy those then, only another 18 months, got in just in the nick of time ;)

    Would be happy if these dates are correct, but probably wont risk waiting till 2013 to pick up 10211, 10214, 10217, 10218, probably will have talked myself into 10219 by then too :)
    I find the Market Village and Fire Brigade dates dubious.. goes against what we have seen in the past from Lego, but if that is what they say maybe something has changed...... Besides I thought that Amazon shows the MMV as discontinued from Lego?
    Maybe Lego is finally listening to those who have missed CC and GG

    But Fire Brigade goes away in 2012 but the GE and the PS both go out in Dec 2013? No, these dates seem wrong....
  • winter_zombiewinter_zombie Banned Posts: 54
    edited June 2011
    ^ Well im only telling you what i was told today by Lego. Believe it or not the choice is yours. :)
  • stephenvwstephenvw Lexington, KYMember Posts: 89
    I agree, the date for Fire Brigade just doesn't seem right. If it were following the trend of the previous sets in this theme it would discontinue around December this year. I would also think the Grand Emporium would discontinue in December 2012 instead of 2013 while the date for the Pet Shop seems correct.
  • doriansdaddoriansdad CTCMember Posts: 1,337
    Remember these dates are not the end of production dates but the dates when Lego will no longer sell them on their website. We all know Fire Brigade will most likely be sold out long before then....around Dec 2011 / Jan 2012.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,172
    ^Ahhh, gotcha.. Yeah, in which case those dates can give the wrong impression.
    I do appreciate winter_zombie getting the data... I know you didn't have to do that, so thanks for that...
  • tk79tk79 Member Posts: 329
    The dates do seem off, but it makes you wonder if Lego is taking advantage of the increased demand, especially seeing what's happening aftermarket.
  • Si_UKNZSi_UKNZ NZMember Posts: 4,179
    ^ I agree - it's one thing creating scarcity in order to get a buying rush, but it's quite another to miss out on half your market by cutting it too soon. I've been expecting run extensions for the modulars, especially GE.

    The Pet Shop date seems too soon, especially since it's probably too early for them to judge it's reception, so this date can't be more than a guess.
  • MatthewMatthew Cheshire, UKAdministrator Posts: 3,734
    I've just asked Lego Direct about it, while on the phone to them placing an order, and I spoke to a most apologetic man, who said that he had no idea when sets were retired, but Exclusives were normally 3 years and normal sets 2. I don't know if you just got lucky with who you spoke to on the phone @winter_zombie, or maybe they were wildly speculating. He said the Death Star had been around for ages and was still going strong which would imply that he hasn't heard of it going anytime soon. I have to admit I was hoping that the DS and EN would be included in the sale, but no luck...
  • winter_zombiewinter_zombie Banned Posts: 54
    edited June 2011
    ^ well i gess i got lucky.
    on the phone i could hear him typeing the numbers in as i was telling him. and a few clicks later he told me. it did take some time telling him each number and then him looking it up.
    the guy i spoke to was a collector. he was a geek like me and knew a lot about the sets and the designs
  • rocaorocao Administrator Posts: 4,284
    I'll echo the sentiments of a few others: if there's a set on this list that you would regret missing, I'd still suggest picking it up sooner rather than later, if feasible.

    Time will tell, but I'm particularly skeptical that we'll see 10193 Medieval Market Village last through the end of 2012, as it's already marked as "discontinued from the manufacturer" on Amazon. If Toys R Us -- which recently sold out during their sale --doesn't replenish it's stock, that will be further indication that the end is near.
  • winter_zombiewinter_zombie Banned Posts: 54
    well keep us informed on if TRU do replenish their stock or not.
  • streekerstreeker FranceMember Posts: 299
    Walmart.com just had their 10193 stock replenished in the last week or so, after a long absence. I've had an email alert for months with the hope of buying it for $89 (the previous sale price), but when it came back in stock, it also came in at $99.
  • slovakiastephslovakiasteph USAMember Posts: 62
    Okay, maybe I'm not understanding everything completely... I've been looking for 10199 winter toy shop... [email protected] doesn't have it on their website, and it seems to be scarce online. The lowest price I can find it is $70 when the MSRP is $60. If it's not "discontinued" yet, is it just sold out? And why doesn't Lego carry it?

    Thank you...
  • sidersddsidersdd USAMember Posts: 2,432
    I'm guessing 10199 is discontinued - for good this time. It was supposedly discontinued the first time in, what, December 2009? Then re-released the following year, along with the release of the Winter Bakery. Some argue it's just a seasonal release, but you can get the Winter Bakery right now.
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,112
    10199 was available on lego.com continuously all of 2011 up until a couple weeks ago, when it was pulled completely. For all appearances, it appears to be finally gone.
  • YellowcastleYellowcastle Member Posts: 4,401
    I saw several at our Lego Store this weekend yet no bakeries.
  • bahnstormerbahnstormer Member Posts: 180
    winter bakery is being discounted in wiesbaden lego store along with all the toy story stuff
  • MCNwakeboardMCNwakeboard VirginiaMember Posts: 250
    I'm not sure if what sold out of set #10199 was the end of the 2010 season stock or the rest of the sets. Perhaps the Winter Bakery's seasonal stock isn't selling as fast since they were discounted by the Lego brand stores, though they seem to be gone from the NoVa stores. I probably saw the same Toy Shops that Yellowcastle found at the Potomac Mills, VA Lego store this last week.
  • sidersddsidersdd USAMember Posts: 2,432
    @slovakiasteph - if you're not near a LEGO store with a winter toy shop, you could always try calling them and have them ship one to you. Most stores I've called are willing to do this. Or you can watch Amazon. It pops in stock every now and then. I'm a bit of a toy shop hoarder, so I check Amazon a lot for this one. Others do as well, and there is a thread on ToysNBricks (http://www.toysnbricks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=3235) for it. I can try and remember to update this thread as well.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,172
    Well 10199 Toy Shoppe was also 'sold out' at the middle of last year and it came back before the beginning of the 2010 holiday shopping season.. my gut feeling is it is gone for good now, with the bakery hanging around for two years.This also brings into question Lego 'official' discontinued time line provided...
  • atkinsaratkinsar Member Posts: 4,272
    Anyone else noticed that 6212 - X-Wing (http://www.brickset.com/detail/?set=6212-1) has disappeared from [email protected] (UK)? This slipped under my radar and was pointed out to me by @Kempo81. This is a great set IMO, and the length of time on-sale (nearly 4 years) suggest it was a great seller.
  • chakinochakino Member Posts: 159
    I read somewhere it go discontinued 2 weeks before the death star was due. Glad I replaced the one I had to sell it's a nice model. You might be able to get one at toysrus but I noticed it was limited to 2 per order online.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,172
    6212 is still available in US at [email protected]

    Go to know, I am guessing they will run out of stock soon..
  • prevereprevere North of Bellville, East of Heartlake, South of Bricksburg, West of Ninjago City Member Posts: 2,874
    In the end I think predicting these retired dates are about as easy as playing roulette. They all get retired eventually.

    It's interesting though, for example, doing a little research on the Modular Buildings, it looks like the average active selling life per set is about 2+ years. Strange that Market Street's life was "cut short". Not sure about the average life for SW, HP or the rest.

    Market Street 10-07 to 4-09
    Green Grocer 3-08 to 10-10
    Cafe Corner 10-07 to 12-09

  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,112
    nothing really strange about it, IMHO. Market Street was produced under the Factory line, and almost undoubtedly had a much more limited production run than the official LEGO-designed Modulars of the same timeline (CC and then GG)
  • sidersddsidersdd USAMember Posts: 2,432
    Winter Toy Shop back in stock on Amazon.com. 18 sets remaining. $59.99.
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,172
    edited July 2011
    nothing really strange about it, IMHO. Market Street was produced under the Factory line, and almost undoubtedly had a much more limited production run than the official LEGO-designed Modulars of the same timeline (CC and then GG)
    That and I do not think it sold very well, so they pulled the plug early on that set.
  • JusdslegoJusdslego Member Posts: 2
    Can't be real!!! i just called lego and they said they knew nothing about any dates!
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,172
    edited July 2011
    ^-- if you call Lego 10 different times you will most likely get at least 5 different answers... some Lego customer reps are more knowledgeable than others BUT I still think this list does not add up...
  • Silber334Silber334 Member Posts: 147
    >Quote by prevere;
    In the end I think predicting these retired dates are about as easy as playing roulette. They all get retired eventually.

    It's interesting though, for example, doing a little research on the Modular Buildings, it looks like the average active selling life per set is about 2+ years. Strange that Market Street's life was "cut short". Not sure about the average life for SW, HP or the rest.

    Market Street 10-07 to 4-09
    Green Grocer 3-08 to 10-10
    Cafe Corner 10-07 to 12-09


    Ah, no wonder why those 3 modular sets have been going up in market prices. Where I live, their prices at least doubled from their suggested retail prices. You'll still get ripped using the auction sites, thanks to the shortage of supplies.
  • JusdslegoJusdslego Member Posts: 2
    The Lady i talked to said sets only last 1-2 years, for example this guy is saying the Fire Brigade would last about 3 1/2 years since it came out mid-late 2009
  • YellowcastleYellowcastle Member Posts: 4,401
    I think we all question these dates so follow them at your own peril...
  • madforLEGOmadforLEGO Chicagoland USMember Posts: 9,172
    Id say,based on previous observations of other sets released and then discontinued:
    A set is made for about 2 years, then that stops, then it all depends on how quickly the existing stocks sell out.. usually it is 3 years total from 'release' to 'cannot find them from Lego'. There ARE exceptions of course, such as sets made for specific stores, such as the Limo and City townhouse. At least in the States the Limo with chopper was out for an astounding handful of months even though Europe had them for about 6 months before, and then it was only Lego and Walmart selling them..
  • stephenvwstephenvw Lexington, KYMember Posts: 89
    Idk if other people have already noticed this, but i just have.

    On amazon.com it says whether or not a model has been discontinued by manufacturer.
    MMV 10193 in 'Product Details' it says: Discontinued by manufacturer: Yes
    Likewise with Emerald Night 10194.

    Let me know what you think about this.
  • richoricho Member Posts: 3,794
    Hi,
    I am on the same page as Matthew on this.
    I spoke to a gentleman at Lego Direct for around 10 minutes yesterday, and he stated that the agents on the phone do not generally have discontinuation dates made available, nor do they give them out. He said the reason for this was due to competitors. The only item he mentioned he thought was discontinuing at the end of the year, was the latest AT-AT 8129. They also said that the Death Star was now expected to run through 2012.
    MMV is very popular, so I could see that getting extended, but I would be amazed if the Fire Brigade ran through 2012.
    Room does need to be made when the new line of exclusives come out in 2012, so surely some items do have to be discontinued, if only to allow space in Lego stores & catalogues?
    richo
  • princedravenprincedraven Essex, UKMember Posts: 3,768
    Just noticed on the UK [email protected] Fire Brigade states: Backorders accepted, expected ship date null. Whatever that means.
  • JP3804JP3804 Member Posts: 332
    ^ Fallingwater had the same thing here in the states. I added it to my cart and it gave a ship date of Sept. 30
  • simonrjcoxsimonrjcox Member Posts: 1
    I went to the new Lego shop in Liverpool UK today I asked if they had Lego fire brigade and they said it has now been discontinued and sold the last five this morning. It is still saying back orders accepted on website. They said they only hear about a set being discontinued a week before they sell out, if you are looking for it I would grab one soon
  • dougtsdougts Oregon, USAMember Posts: 4,112
    Fire Brigade has not been available at my local LEGO store for weeks now, and they aren't receiving new ones in their weekly shipments either. I suspect it's about gone
  • bixtrix77bixtrix77 Member Posts: 53
    @winter_zombie any chance on an update of the list. I would really like the diagonally set but can't afford it before xmas.

    What are the chances of the whole hp range disappearing before next xmas??? Would be intrested to hear any of your views.
  • giant24usgiant24us Member Posts: 1
    simon you are full of crap
    FollowsClosely
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